Talk:My Child Lebensborn

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Did you know... that My Child Lebensborn was among the first wave of video games that were allowed to show the swastika in Germany?

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... that the video game My Child Lebensborn won a BAFTA for "Game beyond entertainment"? Source: [It is a list that's on the website, which denotes My Child Lebensborn as the winner in the category.] ([1])
- ALT1: ... that one of the developers was concerned that a documentary about the Lebensborn would just be old people talking about war, and decided to create a video game instead? Source: "Although a tried and trusted medium of lighting up history’s darkest moments, Festøy admits she believed a documentary just wouldn’t do for this kind of story. “It’s a film about old people talking about the war. That’s what you see,” says Festøy." [...] With high ambitions, Festoy and her Hamar-based production company set about raising awareness for Lebensborn children by making a game. ([2])
- ALT2 ... that My Child Lebensborn was among the first wave of video games that were allowed to show the swatzika in Germany? Source: The USK now decides on a case-by-case basis whether games with swastikas and other unconstitutional symbols may appear. [...] The first games that have passed this test are already on the market - and they impressively show that game developers are able to deal with the topic responsibly. "Attentat 1942" is available on Steam for the PC, "My Child Lebensborn" is a mobile game for iOS and Android." (German language source) ([3])
- ALT3 ... that My Child Lebensborn focuses on the struggles of Lebensborn children in Norway after World War II? Source: "Specifically, it follows the life of a child born of a German soldier and Norwegian mother during the Nazi occupation of Norway in World War 2. [...] They viewed Norwegian woman as ideal Aryan stock for their grotesque eugenics programs. The kids were part of an SS-sponsored program called Lebensborn (Fount of Life)." ([4])

Reviewed: Outstanding in the Field
Comment: There's a lot more options for hooks here IMO, so if either of these don't work, happy to make another. Working on the hook as w

Created by Nomader (talk). Self-nominated at 02:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Nomader: Moved to main namespace and nominated for DYK five days later. It is about 3200 bytes, satisfying length criterion. There are small issues with copied phrasing, such as "Elin Festøy was producing a documentary film about the children of lebensborn" which is nearly identical to that of A game about hatred, children and war. This could easily be fixed as "While producing ..." or "During production of...". In fact, the phrasing for the first three sentences in that section needs to be altered, as there is simply too much close paraphrasing. Otherwise, the text is fine and has sources, and all quotations are sourced. Hooks are suitably short and sourced. I do think there are better hooks to be had for this article though, perhaps one focusing on who the lebensborn were or what they experienced (and as it relates to the game, of course). QPQ completed.
So, this needs a slight rephrasing for three sentences, and perhaps other ALT hooks to consider. Mind matrix 18:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mindmatrix: I can definitely take a crack at fixing those issues in the next couple of days. One flag is that I've always been nervous about using "plot" information or "in-universe" information in C6, but I'm realizing that this is based on actual history (to a point) so I can come up with some alternatives for sure. Nomader (talk) 21:58, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nomader: OK. Ping me when you're ready. Mind matrix 22:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mindmatrix: Took a crack at it-- I like ALT2 a lot more than ALT3, I found it challenging to concisely describe the Lebensborn program in a short hook like this, so if you have any other suggestions, open to them. Also made the changes you mentioned above, let me know if they're insufficient! Nomader (talk) 14:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nomader: I agree that ALT2 is more interesting than ALT3. I'll approve that hook unless others are presented for consideration. I attempted creating a few, but like you, had trouble with concision within hook length constraints. The paraphrasing has been sufficiently fixed. (I may tweak it a little more, though.) I'm assuming good faith for foreign-language sources. Also, can you please merge the details for refs 4 and 7, as they appear to be the same ref. Mind matrix 03:06, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 to T:DYK/P1