Talk:Moro conflict/Archive 1
Incorrect
[edit]quote: "The colonies that became the nations of Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, and Thailand lumped together ....." unquote.
sad enough, but is incorrect for thailand, which never was anybodies colony...... if you want to refer to the three southernmost muslim provinces, they were annexed by thailand, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattani_Separatism Scyriacus (talk) 16:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't "Insurgency" be "insurgency"? Uthanc 22:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
East Timor independence and other non-Philippine insurgent movements should have references to them deleted from this article dealing with Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines.
Is there such a concept in existence. As of now there are no sources in the article that suggests there exists "Islamic insurgency in the Philippines". The only source in the article[1] doesn't even mention the word "insurgency".Bless sins 01:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'd agree that the words "Islamic terrorism" would be more accurate and appropriate. -- Karl Meier 11:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's understandable how many may feel that "Islamic terrorism" could possibly be more fitting. After all, when you search" Abu Sayyaf one can only find documented terrorist activities. --DavidD4scnrt (talk) 03:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Possible updates
[edit]- "MILF rebs occupy Zambo school". ABS-CBN Interactive. 2008-01-10. Retrieved 2008-01-11.
- "14 killed in Maguindanao clashes". Agence France-Presse via ABS-CBN Interactive. 2008-01-15. Retrieved 2008-01-17.
- "Maguindanao clash kills 2 MILF rebs, hurts CVO". GMANews.tv. 2008-04-03. Retrieved 2008-04-13.
- "MILF doubts gov't 'commitment' to peace process". GMANews.tv. 2008-04-09. Retrieved 2008-04-13.
There are Rajah Solaiman Movements and Mujadeen in the Philippines
[edit]There are Mujadeen forces helping Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines and the Rajah Solaiman Movement is a rebel group in the Philippines (see Rajah Solaiman Movement for details). PS yes Pirates are helping rebel groups in the Philippines how else could they get around the Philippines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.118.180.86 (talk) 04:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The Socialist Revolution Front of Albay
[edit]THe Socialist Revolution Front of Albay is a Communist supporting group in Albay who`s goal is to turn Albay into a Independent Socialistic Country with Legazpi as its Capital. The Socialist Revolution Front of Albay is a new rebel group which only started after 2006. It is assumed that Socialist Revolution Front of Albay has less than 100 soldiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.118.180.86 (talk) 04:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Australia
[edit]What about Australia. Australia is helping the Philippines fight the terrorists arent they. I mean Australia is the second largest anti terrorist supporter to the Philippine goverment in the Philippines. Heres a reference if you want to read it [2]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.111.221 (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
- That just says that the Australian government thinks that the offensive was a good idea. There's no mention of any actual assistance. Australia provides the Phillipines with training and has donated some equipment as part of its assistance to militaries in the region, but there are no 'boots on the ground' helping out. As such, I've reverted you. Nick Dowling (talk) 23:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Canada?
[edit]Why is Canada in the infobox? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.84.47 (talk) 23:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- Because there's a persistant IP vandal who keeps adding rubbish about foreign involvement in this war to articles on the Philippines. I've just removed Canada, the UK, Russia and Japan as they're obviously not involved in this war. Nick Dowling (talk) 23:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- How Ironic: you seem to be that vandal. Nick Dowling (talk) 08:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
My recent edit
[edit]I started out to make a few small changes to this article, but my edit has grown so that I think I need to explain the various concerns which drove it.
- The lead sentence began, "Insurgencies in the Philippines is a conflict ...", a clear disagreement in number (several insurgencies are, a single insurgency is). I reworded the sentence.
- I reworded the History section to accommodate a wikilink to the Philippine revolts against Spain article.
- I removed the ref to the name="retuers1" item from the lead section and the History section. That referenced item says, "The Mindanao conflict first flared in the 1960s", but the article text at those points more concerns the Moro rebellion of the late 18th and early 19th centuries.
- I substantially rewrote the Communist insurgency section using information from the Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas-1930, Communist Party of the Philippines and New People's Army articles.
- When I reached the Muslim insurgency section I was on a roll, so I reworded the first couple of sentences a bit. The biggest change content-wise was to change "Islamic groups" to "islamist groups".
Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think this needs major expansion, since as you have pointed out there are multiple insurgent groups, all against the present government of the Philippines, but all for different reasons, and as far as I am aware are united/allied with each other. Each group should have its own subsection, each with its own background/reason, and history section. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:26, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Protection
[edit]This article needs protection from IP vandals. Maildiver (talk) 00:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- This article has been semi-protected a few times in the past. Despite that, I am doubtful that it meets the criteria for semi-protection as described at Wikipedia:Protection#Semi-protection. There are a lot of recent anonymous edits to the article from a number of different IPs, with few identified in a reverting edit summary as vandalous (four [3][4][5][6] that I saw in the last 500 edits, which takes us back to 2006). The conflicts seem to be arising from conflicting perspectives held by different blocks of editors re what should and should not go in the combatant1= definition in the infobox and about other things.
- Re the
latterformer, Perhaps an inline comment might help— perhaps something like
<!--only enter combatants directly involved militarily in the combatant1 & combatant2 parameters-->
|combatant1={{flag|Philippines}}
|combatant2=[...]
- Perhaps there is consensus for some criteria other than direct combat involvement; if so, once that consensus is clear that criteria could also be explained in an inline comment.
- Re reversions growing out of conflicting perspectives about other things, I see that the edit summary of one of the reversions reads, "Reverted possible vandalism. This conflict has at least three sides to it if not more. Gov/Communists Gov+USA allies VS Islamists / The islamist have nothing to do with the communists". If the situation is that complex, the complexity should be explained in the article prose. The article has been around since April of 2006 and, though it is not tagged as a WP:stub, presently is just 4 KB (552 words) long. Perhaps the article needs a bit more content. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- The recent edit waring appears to be user:23prootie editing under IP socks. I also don't think that the level of vandalism and reversions is sufficient to justify protection at this stage. Nick-D (talk) 06:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
1930s, 1960s, 1800s, 1500s, what? Some particular insurgency? Insurgency against whom?
[edit]This edit changed the beginning of the date range from 1960s to 1930s; however, see the Timeline of Philippine sovereignty and Philippine revolts against Spain articles. Insurgencies in the Philippines go back to the 1500s (I'm currently in the middle of making some changes related to the Dagami Revolt of 1567, but the changes impact more than just that one article and I may not get around to editing that one today) . Insurgencies against the U.S. go back to the late 1800s. I'm not sure about insurgencies against the current Government of the Republic of the Philippines (a redirect to Politics of the Philippines) Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- As I search for information about this war, And i found out that this war started since the Crusades, the battle between Christians and Muslims, then it continues when Islam reach reach Philippines in 12th century, and the Spaniards (Christian country) in 15th century, which also a part of this insurgency. The main reason of this war is the will of Muslim to recognize as a separate country, To achieve this, various Muslims group was formed to fight for independence, i thought i share enough information and idea...-121.54.2.91 (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- I think that we have a disconnect here regarding the focus of this article. I think that most readers encountering this article will think of the term "this war" in connection with this article in terms of conflict in the context of the Philippines more than in the context of conflicts between of Islam and Christianity.
- Also, I have long thought that this article was badly titled in view of its content (see WP:AT#Deciding on an article title). The lead sentence of this article dates the insurgency which is its topic from 1969, supported by the final paragraph of this BBC News article. Yes, there has been an ongoing conflict since 1969 between the New People's Army (formed in 1969) and Philippine governments (a better supporting source for that might be Stephen E. Atkins (2004). Encyclopedia of modern worldwide extremists and extremist groups. Greenwood Publishing Group. pp. 226. ISBN 978-0-313-32485-7. -- or any of a large number of other sources). However, if the article is focused specifically on the NPA insurgency, the article title should reflect that focus.
- The NPA, by the way, as I understand it, is a Maoist group which grew out of the Hukbalahap -- the military arm of the Communist Party of the Philippines, and is not primarily an Islamic or Islamist organization. Perhaps you're thinking of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), which split off from the NPA in 1977. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Proposed Split: Divide the article? (2010)
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{{split|Communist insurgency in the Philippines|date=February 2010}}
I suggest to divide this article into Islamic insurgency in the Philippines and Communist Insurgency in the Philippines. Sarcelles (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good idea Nick-D (talk) 09:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
- why? Expand the article and if it becomes too long divide...--DAI (Δ) 13:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
- These are different things. Sarcelles (talk) 18:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
- why? Expand the article and if it becomes too long divide...--DAI (Δ) 13:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I think it should be split into pre ARMM establishment conflict (that ended) and the current Islamist insurgency. Alinor (talk) 12:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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Belligerents
[edit]The ip 173.160.200.181 additions were mine (I wasn't signed in). I added the Philippines armed forces by department. I'd certainly count them as belligerents! I added the U.S. Army's 1st Special Forces Group since they have been advisors and trainers to the Philippine armed forces in the conflict (the pages used as reference also show links to the names of U.S. soldiers killed 'advising' during the insurgency). The Citizen Armed Force Geographical Unit CAFGU isn't a Christian Militia per se but an auxilary force to the Philippine armed forces and has it's own article on Wikipedia which includes the executive order creating it and no mention of it being begun as a "Christian" militia force. The "Civilian Volunteer Organization" mentioned under belligerents I took off. The supporting reference was far too vague in describing the victim's membership in a 'civilian volunteer organization'. Indexphp.typelogin (talk) 07:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Ampatuan Members
[edit]The section on Ampatuan Members should be deleted. It isn't an insurgency. It was murder of historic and horrific proportions.
Ostensibly, the impression in the Philippines is that the previous government which had historically been allied with the Ampatuans during elections have opted to charge the Ampatuans of rebellion, a criminal act which carried a lighter sentence than murder.
The Ampatuans have not expressed any support for a movement with the objectives of either the overthrow of the government or secession. As such, it is unlikely that a guilty verdict will be arrived at by the courts and thereby acquitting the Ampatuans the crime. Milo96 (talk) 01:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
My LATEST edit
[edit]Hello,please do not revert my latest edit because it is important for people to know the other details regarding the insurgency here in the philippines,particularly the efforts of former presidents Ferdinand Marcos,Corazon Aquino,Fidel Ramos,Estrada and Arroyo in fighting the decade long insurgency.Therefore,the sections Early years,Post-EDSA years,and Latest developments(2000 - present should NOT be deleted,please.Or else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.55.13.140 (talk) 04:57, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Merger proposal (2012)
[edit]A merger has been proposed back in August 16, 2008, but the Discuss link is missing. I created this discussion to propose that North Cotabato Conflict be merged into Islamic insurgency in the Philippines. I think that the small content in the North Cotabato Conflict article can easily be explained in the context of Islamic insurgency in the Philippines, and the Islamic insurgency in the Philippines article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of North Cotabato Conflict will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Discussion is normally 1 week. Please indicate your preference by copying/editing template below
Support - <insert reason for supporting merger here> (your signature)Oppose - <insert reason for opposing merger here> (your signature) ΔΦΣ (talk) 00:02, 17 June 2012 (UTC)- Comment, Be WP:BOLD and make the change. It has been two weeks and there has been no support or objection. However, if one is to make the merger the content needs to be summarized and verified using reliable sources. In the context of the larger insurgency the other article would probably only warrant one or two sentences.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:33, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose The North Cotabato Conflict is more of a battle. For probably a good majority of the pages about war, battles are typically left as separate articles (unless the battle is so significant that you can't tell the story of the war without it as seen in this section of another war article.GuyHimGuy (talk) 04:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- Comment is there any more comments for this? -- 70.50.148.248 (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Comment did the proposal change or something? Someone added requested move banner to this section, when it's clearly not one. -- 70.50.148.248 (talk) 17:50, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
- I've removed it. It was surely causing confusion. --BDD (talk) 23:44, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - I crossed out two of the votes above, because due to Wikipedia policies, votes without reasons (especially those that are unsigned) cannot be included in the final tally. LightandDark2000 (talk) 12:13, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oops. I did not realize that they were only template examples. However, we need to avoid confusion here. LightandDark2000 (talk) 12:20, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- Support the merger - That article does appear to be a smaller part of this conflict. The content is rather slim, and other than the regional differences and the differences in the specific warring parties, it does appear to be kind of repetitive. Also, singular battles do not last for decades. Besides, I'm sure that there's plenty of room in this article to merge that small article's contents into. LightandDark2000 (talk) 12:20, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. Similar to what GuyHimGuy said, the North Cotabato Conflict is a specific ongoing battle within the entire movement which is the Islamic insurgency in the Philippines. In addition, the MILF are the primary combatants against the Philippine government. Merging would be necessary if all non-Philippine government belligerents indicated on the other article are truly involved. Pansitkanton (talk) 21:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
biased article
[edit]Here's a fine example how biased this article is: someone have wrote "professor Nur Misuari to condemn the killings of more than 60 Filipino Muslims Instead of writing Jabidah massacre. This is shortly afterward repeated with the exact link name use, which further comfirms my belife that the editor who wrote this is clearly trying to exxagerate/dramatize the hole, when official counts ranges from 28 to 60. It's sad to read articles like this one, writen obviously by supporters from one side to support their agendas, ignorant and disregarding the number one most important rule while writing historical articles, specially on an encyclopedia(!) : neutrality. --109.58.186.199 (talk) 12:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
- Just a reminder that anyone can edit articles and that it is everyone's responsibility to ensure a neutral point to view. I would urge anyone who see bias to edit the article to remove the bias and further to register and become a regular editor. With registration you can create a WP:watchlist and monitor your chosen articles for biased edits.--Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 04:31, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Requested move (2013)
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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Islamic insurgency in the Philippines → Moro insurgency in the Philippines – The insurgency of the Moros in Mindanao isn't entirely Islamist; there are some who prefer rebel on a nationalist instead of a religious cause; see the case between the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF). While it's arguable that what makes one a "Moro" is his religion, there are differences in approaches, as one is secular and the other is religious. (Also, I'm also amenable to "Moro insurgency" or even "Moro Insurgency". Relisted. BDD (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2013 (UTC) –HTD 16:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - the argument appeals to me, however "Islamic insurgency in the Philippines" 146 results in Google Books vs "Moro insurgency in the Philippines" 6 results in Google Books presents a WP:COMMONNAME concern. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:22, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
- "moro insurgency" Philippines churns out 428 results. –HTD 03:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
- HTD, you see to have made a copying error there of my own search, but it's okay I redid it to try and see your point "moro insurgency" + Philippines = 333 results, "islamic insurgency" + philippines = 402 results in my search. Still sounding more religious than ethnic. But then we don't have to follow the numbers when there isn't much in it, if there is a better logic. Still neutral however. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- I dunno why I keep on getting different results from you. I've removed anything Wikipedia related on these searches, since "Islamic insurgency in the Philippines" has become entrenched due to it becoming the Wikipedia title for a long time:
- "moro insurgency" +Philippines -wikipedia has 470 results
- "islamic insurgency" +Philippines -wikipedia has 536 results.
- Pretty close. I dunno if option #2 ("islamic insurgency" +Philippines -wikipedia) deals exclusively with the insurgency by the Moros in the Philippines, as Islamic insurgencies are pretty widespread, and the search string includes any book that mentions, no matter how briefly, the "Philippines". ""Moro insurgency" (without Philippines) has 504 results, though, so unless there are Moro people elsewhere, we can assume that the results exclusively refer to the Moros of the Philippines. It's certainly doesn't sound "more religious than ethnic". More like it sounds "religious and ethnic."
- I guess this can only be solved if we look at it this way: are there any Filipino Muslim rebel groups who are not Moro? There's is none that I know of. Now, are there Filipino Moro rebel groups that are not Islamic? Yes. –HTD 12:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- I dunno why I keep on getting different results from you. I've removed anything Wikipedia related on these searches, since "Islamic insurgency in the Philippines" has become entrenched due to it becoming the Wikipedia title for a long time:
- HTD, you see to have made a copying error there of my own search, but it's okay I redid it to try and see your point "moro insurgency" + Philippines = 333 results, "islamic insurgency" + philippines = 402 results in my search. Still sounding more religious than ethnic. But then we don't have to follow the numbers when there isn't much in it, if there is a better logic. Still neutral however. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- Comment The over-long (~60 words) second sentence of the lead points up an Islamic focus in this article, though the article doesn't seem to have such a focus except for some mentions of MILF and Abu Sayyaf. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:13, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
- Precisely because the MILF and Abu Sayyaf are the "insurgents" that are Islamist. The MNLF has been nationalist (in name). It is thought that in practice, the fighters switch around these and other groups (lol).
- The problem here is it assumes that the nature of insurgency in Mindanao is mostly Islamist. It is not; there are some Muslim insurgents that are not Islamist; in fact the original (post-Jabidah Massacre) insurgents are secular.
- There had been new groups that are also Islamist such as the BIFF (which should be here). Overall, the focus of the article should be the Moro insurgency, which may or may not be Islamic. So we'd not only confine ourselves to the MNLF, MILF and ASG, but on some other groups as well. –HTD 08:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
- Support, as the proposed title is more WP:PRECISE. Is it more likely that there are non-Moro insurgents, or non-Islamic insurgents? It seems to me that, Islamic or not, this is primarily a Moro insurgency. bd2412 T 15:26, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
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Requested Move (2014)
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The result of the proposal was no consensus, though I'll allow the newer merge proposal to continue. --BDD (talk) 23:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Moro insurgency in the Philippines → Islamic insurgency in the Philippines – The title of the article is no longer accurate, according to sources: [7], [8] the ones still fighting include Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters, and groups linked to Al-Qaeda who are opposed to the peace deal. The peace deal between the government and the Moro National Liberation Front remains in place. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support - per Knowledgekid87. Ithinkicahn (talk) 00:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Support;, as per before. bd2412 T 01:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- NOTE See #Merger proposal (2012) for an ongoing merger proposal that the renaming may impact. -- 70.50.148.248 (talk) 05:11, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose - There are many examples South Thailand insurgency, Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present), Insurgency in the North Caucasus.. These places have the Islamic insurgency but no such naming. Typical example of Islamophobia. Maurice07 (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- That is easy thing to solve by lopping off the wording "Islamic" from the title. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is an ethnic war, not a religious one.--Theparties (talk) 20:58, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Where are your sources that back this up? This source here: [9] has the people involved calling for an Islamic state. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:47, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- The Moro National Liberation Front is a secular movement.[1][2][3] Again Islamophobia.--Theparties (talk) 01:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- I just love how you WP:AGF here, did you miss the part where I said that the Moro National Liberation Front were not the ones fighting anymore? The current title implies with a status of "Ongoing" in the infobox implies that the Moro Front is still fighting against the government. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- The Moro National Liberation Front just fought the government in Zamboanga last year to proclaim the secular Bangsamoro Republik. I have no idea what you are talking about? --Theparties (talk) 02:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- The Moro National Liberation Front is a secular movement.[1][2][3] Again Islamophobia.--Theparties (talk) 01:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- Where are your sources that back this up? This source here: [9] has the people involved calling for an Islamic state. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:47, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose because historically the conflict does not have roots in Islamism and we need to make sure this article is historical and avoids WP:recentism. Further I would lean towards Mindanao insurgency in the Philippines as being more in line with WP:Commonname and the latter avoids the use of "moro" which can be tricky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iloilo Wanderer (talk • contribs) 04:26, 3 February 2014
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- ^ W.K. Che Man. "Muslim Separatism: The Moros of Southern Philippines and the Malays of Southern Thailand". Quezon City: Ateneo de Manila University Press, 1974.
- ^ Abinales, Patricio. N., et al. "State and Society in the Philippines". Oxford: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc., 2005.
- ^ Ben Cal (2013-09-11). "MNLF's first try to raise flag was 39 years ago". Manila Bulletin. Retrieved 2014-01-13.
Civil conflict in the Philippines Merger
[edit]Originally I had made the page Civil conflict in the Philippines redirect to this page but was reverted stating "No consensus" so here I am trying to seek one. I do not see any sources that go on to say that this is a civil conflict or that the parties involved are engaged in a civil war. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:52, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose - The page is a useful fork to distinguish this and the concurrent Insurgency of the Communist Party of the Philippines, which is occurring and began at the same time.--Theparties (talk) 01:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose There are at least two active insurgencies, plus there are any number of other civil conflicts. This is by no means the only civil conflict or even deadly civil conflict. I agree with Theparties. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 04:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- Comment see the older section #Merger proposal (2012) that someone changed into a rename request, which may impact this merge request. -- 70.50.148.248 (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
- Just delete the "Civil conflict in the Philippines" stub article. It bundles together two separate conflicts.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 01:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- I'm working on that article and you may not know Nur Misuari, founder of the Moro National Liberation Front, and Jose Maria Sison, founder of the Communist Party of the Philippines, are besties so they are related.--Theparties (talk) 12:08, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose - As per the reasons given above. A merger of these two articles would only be problematic. LightandDark2000 (talk) 12:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
origins
[edit]http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/papa/philippines1972.htm
http://www.bulatlat.com/news/5-4/5-4-genocide.html
World Mathaba Organization
[edit]Gaddafi used his World Mathaba Organization to support various revolutionary separatist groups
Hasan di Tiro helped Mathaba and Gaddafi support the Free Papua Movement of Jacob Prai, the Kanak faction in New Caledonia, the South Maluku Separatists, and the Moro National Liberation Front led by Nur Misuari in the Philippines.
Republic of South Maluku Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor Papua conflict Free Papua Movement Moro insurgency in the Philippines Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
the time, the Libyan government was reportedly providing military or other support to the East Timor Liberation Movement, the Kanak Socialist National Liberation Front (New Caledonia), and the Free Papua Movement (Irian Jaya) as well as to Muslim guerrillas in the Philippines.
Title Pacific Islands Monthly, Volume 59 Publisher Pacific Publications., 1988 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Sep 15, 2008
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COLONEL GADDAFI'S shadowy international revolutionary organisation Mathaba, established in the Libyan capital of Tripoli and dispensing funds to liberation movements around the world, is run by a most unlikely radical. Tunku Mohammed Hassan di Tiro, a Sumatran prince, fervent Muslim and bitter opponent of Indonesia, is the chairman of Mathaba's political committee.... Hassan di Tiro himself makes the crucial decisions, and runs a personal network of contacts with the liberation movement leaders Libya supports, among them Jacob Prai of the OPM (Free Papua Movement) of West Papua and Yann Ce- tene Uregei of New Caledonia's Kanak radical faction,
In an exclusive interview with Pacific Islands Monthly, at his headquarters in Tripoli, he outlined Mathaba's organisation and aims for the Asia Pacific region. The Mathaba Against Imperialism, Racism, Zionism and Fascism, to give the front its
the various independence movements active across the Indonesian Archipelago, including his own Aceh Sumatra Liberation Front. "We are making advances against Indonesia, both on the ground and diplomatically, with Fretilin (East Timor Liberation Front), the OPM, the Republic of the South Moluccas; we are all one.
Title Pacific Islands Monthly: PIM., Volume 59, Issues 1-10 Publisher Pacific Publications, 1988 Original from the University of Virginia Digitized Apr 8, 2009
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html
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In the past year Gaddafi's agents have offered arms and cash to rebels in Papua New Guinea, encouraged an aboriginal separatist movement in Australia, shipped weapons to dissidents in New Caledonia and tried to open an office in the
Other information on Mathaba
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/messagestick/stories/s1104740.htm
http://overland.org.au/2013/10/michael-mansell-australian-of-the-year/
http://www.examiner.com.au/story/470288/gaddafi-loses-touch-with-people-mansell/
http://books.google.com/books?id=a9ppOE30u8EC&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=AY-gZEaijmsC&pg=PA249#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html
Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front
http://books.google.com/books?id=aVcG7EkuPgAC&pg=PA345#v=onepage&q&f=false
Page 18
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
Libyan mediated negotiations
[edit]Rajmaan (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
MNLF
[edit]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6559853.stm
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/479955/milf-mnlf-agree-mindanao-should-be-pork-free
Origin and history
https://vkb.isvg.org/Wiki/Groups/Moro_National_Liberation_Front_(MNLF)
https://vkb.isvg.org/Wiki/Groups/Misuari_Breakaway_Group
http://www.stanford.edu/group/mappingmilitants/cgi-bin/groups/view/309
http://www.fofweb.com/History/MainPrintPage.asp?iPin=ENI390&DataType=WorldHistory&WinType=Free
http://www.seasite.niu.edu/Tagalog/Modules/Modules/Separatist_Groups/rebel_and_separatist_groups.htm
Nur Misuari and his MNLF has been accused of being Marxist, especially by rivals in the MILF, but he denied it, only saying he was friends with the NPA leaders (Philippine Communist Insurgents), his ideology is nationalism based on Muslim identity.
http://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnist/mnlf-s-mysterious-arrogant-leadership-1.242501
http://www.maranao.com/bangsamoro/0803-frmtion_of_lbrtion_frnts.htm
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-inbox/ex-mnlf-rebels-wage-different-war-siocon-013228873.html
Documents on Nur Misuari
http://www.ebdigest.org/search/mnlf_nur_misuari_ebook
MNLF women involved in peace process, and Misuari's wives
[edit]Misuari's wives are descended from Sulu Sultanate royalty and claim inheritance in Sabah.
http://www.mindanews.com/mindaviews/2013/02/24/commentary-the-sabah-standoff/
https://twitter.com/jamelaaisha/status/305719949920452608
http://manilamail.com/archive/feb2013/13feb24.html
http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2013/02/24/912503/if-malaysia-offers-raise-sabah-rent
http://www.thedailyguardian.net/index.php/iloilo-opinion/25207-going-bananas-over-sabah
http://afrim.org.ph/newafrim/tag/helped
http://afrim.org.ph/newafrim/2014/04/09/the-women-in-the-bangsamoro-peace-process-history.html
http://www.mindanews.com/top-stories/2008/03/29/moro-women-second-to-none/
http://philippineculture.ph/filer/chapter+18.pdf
http://www.morobloggers.com/category/lahad-datu/ http://www.morobloggers.com/2013/02/commentary-the-sabah-standoff/
http://suluism.blogspot.com/2013_02_01_archive.html http://suluism.blogspot.com/2013/02/if-malaysia-offers-to-raise-sabah-rent.html
http://obitir.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/padjak-rent-or-cession/ http://obitir.wordpress.com/page/42/
http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Opinion&title=The-Sabah-standoff&id=66240
http://www.philstar.com/nation/2013/10/19/1246758/duterte-dont-touch-nurs-wife
http://www.iscenetv.com/fatima-celia-kiram-also-wife-of-nur-misuari/
MNLF position on Sabah
[edit]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/09/09/1188941/mnlf-mobilizes-tausug-fighters-malaysia
http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/mnlf-supports-sulu-claim-says-nur-misuari-faction-9877
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/02/18/13/misuari-bangsamoro-has-claims-over-sabah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3LQ17HtPdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWhlRZs0Xs
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2013/03/201331421944766446.html
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/06/26/us-nur-misuari-link-in-sulu-attack/
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/59100/exclusive--misuari-stakes-familys-claim-to-sabah
http://www.theborneopost.com/2013/03/21/milf-refutes-nur-misuaris-claim-over-sabah/
http://mnlfnet.com/Mahathir%20Arroyo%20to%20be%20accused%20of%20hijacking.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Bangsamoro%20people%20may%20sue%20Malaysian%20premier.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Philippine%20n%20Malaysian%20Colonialism.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/SSNB%20Pressl%20Statementl_03Aprilr2013.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_11May2013_After%20GE13,%20Is%20There%20Peace%20in%20Sabah.htm
independence
[edit]http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2013/07/29/govt-clarifies-mnlf-deal-misuari-vows-to-secede
http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2013/08/03/kiram-sultanate-areas-not-part-of-bangsamoro
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_23Aug2013_Bangsamoro%20Constitution.htm
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/08/16/1097101/mnlf-returns-rebellion
http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2013/08/18/mnlf-to-govt-no-more-talk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24012348
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24012747
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/filipino-rebels-storm-villages-take-hostages
http://www.afp.com/en/news/topstories/philippines-stand-forces-thousands-flee-city/
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/09/2013990014907480.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2013/09/201391275337108862.html
http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/asia/philippine-conflicts-collateral-damage
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/11/philippine-rebelscallforforeignmediation.html
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2013/09/discord_in_the_philippines.html
post Zamboanga battle
[edit]http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Editorial_17Dec2011_Call%20for%20Bangsamoro%20Unity%20&%20Martyrdom.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Editorial_12Sept2013_Aquino%20Govt%20Have%20No%20Respect.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Questions_&_Answers_22Sept2013_On%20the%20Zambo%20Siege.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_05Oct2013_Burning%20of%20Zambo%2010,000%20Houses.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_19Nov2013_An%20Open%20Letter%20to%20Pres%20Aquino,%20Etc.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/OIC%20Asks%20MNLF%20and%20PGH%20to%20Continue%20Peace%20Process.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Chairman's%20Message%2046th%20Bansamoro%20Freedom%20Day.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Chairman's%20Message%20Eid%20Fitr%202013.htm
Habier Malik
[edit]http://manilastandardtoday.com/2014/01/03/nur-camp-confirms-haber-malik-s-death
http://dzrhnews.com/mnlf-confirms-maliks-death/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24044332
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24079198
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6559853.stm
BIFF
[edit]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/475047/mnlf-biff-joining-forces-to-push-own-moro-independence-says-milf
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/68736/mnlf-biff-broach-possibility-of-alliance
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/475047/mnlf-biff-joining-forces-to-push-own-moro-independence-says-milf
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/70582/military-in-central-mindanao-on-alert
http://www.rappler.com/nation/38738-north-cotabato-biff-warning-attacks
http://www.rappler.com/nation/13754-bifm-insists-on-separate-bangsamoro-state
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/440173/army-biff-clashes-leave-12-killed
http://www.rappler.com/nation/33121-military-rebels-clashes-peace-talks
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/tag/bangsamoro-islamic-freedom-fighters
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/tag/bangsamoro-islamic-freedom-fighters-biff
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2013/07/13/7-killed-army-rebel-clash-maguindanao-292306
http://www.mindanaoexaminer.com/news.php?news_id=20130713044844
http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/ameril-umbra-kato-2011-2-11-6-30-35.jpg
http://thepinoyweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Bangsamoro-Islamic-Freedom-Fighters.jpg
http://terrortrendsbulletin.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/kato-10.jpg
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2011/11/umra.jpg
Indonesia support for Philippines
[edit]Indonesia has supported the Philippines in its quest to join the OIC (Organization of Islamic Conference)
http://bangsamoro.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/philippines-denied-observer-status-in-oic/
http://www.arabnews.com/node/220529
http://opapp.gov.ph/milf/news/indonesia-joins-imt
http://khabarsoutheastasia.com/en_GB/articles/apwi/articles/features/2013/07/19/feature-03
http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cfm?cat_id=38&sub_cat_id=2224
http://opapp.gov.ph/milf/news/indonesia-joins-imt
http://khabarsoutheastasia.com/en_GB/articles/apwi/articles/features/2013/07/19/feature-03
MNLF leader Nur Misuari has accused Indonesia of helping the Philippines block Moro independence.
http://manilatimes.net/misuari-defers-fight-for-republik/24891/
http://www.manilatimes.net/misuari-defers-fight-for-republik/24891/
http://www.mindanaoexaminer.com/news.php?news_id=20130730014316
MNLF position and relation to other seperatist movements
[edit]http://mnlfnet.com/Who_s_afraid_Mindanao_Independence.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Is_ethnic_cleansing_possible.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Books/Books%20Featured.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Speech%20OIC_29th_ICFM%20Khartoum%20June%202002.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Statement%20Transcript%20OIC%20ComSix%20KL%2028June2000.htm
Nur Misuari hailed Indonesia and East Timor for bringing an end to their conflict and bringing independence to East Timor.
http://mnlfnet.com/Speech%20Tripartite%20Meeting%20(OIC).htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Speech%20CA%20Zambo.htm
Colonel Gaddafi's (Qaddafi, Khadaffy, Qadaffi) support to the Moros
http://mnlfnet.com/The_Final.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_14July2013_America%20Condemn-Part%20IV.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/OIC/28th%20ICFM%20Res'n%20on%20Muslims%20in%20Philippines_HTML.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/OIC/25th_ICFM_Resolution.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/OIC/9th_Summit_Resolution.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Merdeka-Jabidah.htm
We shouldn't use the "terrorism" label because its POV and the MNLF I believe is recognized as a legitimate actor by the Philippine state itself.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
MILF
[edit]http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2003/12/2008410141446257419.html
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/47317
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/31724
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/25842
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/22454
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/26086
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/20574
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/28110
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/28091
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/28020
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/22188
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/22399
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/22333
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/22250
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/20574
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/25637
http://www.bleacherviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Milf-fighters2.jpg
http://www.manilatimes.net/4000-milf-troops-join-mnlf/88364/
Page 9
http://www.thephilippinetribune.com/uploads/Issue_04-10-2014.pdf
https://www.facebook.com/Nur.P.Misuari/posts/726505984059818?stream_ref=10
https://www.facebook.com/MoroMuslimsDefenders/posts/850691334957913?stream_ref=10
https://www.facebook.com/IslamicPhilippinesball/posts/393980524077458?stream_ref=10
MNLF POV sources
[edit]http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_19May2013_America%20Condemn-Part%20I.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_23May2013_America%20Condemn-Part%20II.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_25May2013_America%20Condemn-Part%20III.htm
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_14July2013_America%20Condemn-Part%20IV.htm
Battle of Jolo
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Editorial_07Feb2013_Revisiting%20the%20Feb%207%20Burning%20of%20Jolo.htm
http://philippineupdate.com/Books4Jolo.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=pnCC-nQBlnEC&pg=PA78#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.deanandkingsprfirm.com/3/category/mnlf%20burning%20of%20jolo/1.html http://thepinoyweekly.com/?p=12395 http://www.interaksyon.com/article/45492/no-war-from-mnlf-over-govt-pact-with-milf---nur http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/hl/hl112165.htm http://www.deanandkingsprfirm.com/3/post/2012/10/hot-news-rebel-group-mnlf-chair-misuari-assures-no-war-in-mindanao.html
http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/BYC_09Nov2012_Why%20Bangsamoro,Not%20Filipino.htm
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17038024
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17038024
http://www.bulatlat.com/archive2/042nur.html
http://www.ucdp.uu.se/gpdatabase/gpcountry.php?id=127#
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2011/10/2011104145947651645.html
Rajmaan (talk) 20:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Displacement
[edit]http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/48abc1f72.pdf
migration of Filipino Christians into Mindanao
[edit]http://www.hawaii.edu/cps/identity.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=blGaAq5wXL4C&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=qyo-Hti0-KAC&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=fAq9kgbKBAUC&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=KbGdZCZc8ewC&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=QLKpECdc4eIC&pg=PA143#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=faWMHiaaLgkC&pg=PA126#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=SjtJnkkaus8C&pg=PA259#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=h8xxAAAAMAAJ
http://books.google.com/books?id=AA9OHro4ELYC&pg=PA22#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://opinion.inquirer.net/39098/who-are-the-moro-people
Create a "Brief summary and outline of major events"
[edit]Like the one over here at Papua_conflict#Brief_summary_and_outline_of_major_events. We should list every single attack, battle, and raid that has taken place by all the combatants and actors in this conflict. We can cull Philippine media news sites for sources and use them to create this.Rajmaan (talk) 03:03, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
http://www.rappler.com/nation/63137-milf-clash-government-bangsamoro http://www.mindanews.com/top-stories/2014/07/12/soldier-alleged-milf-rebel-killed-in-lanao-sur-clash/
http://www.philstar.com/nation/2014/06/16/1335462/2-dead-3-wounded-mnlf-milf-clash-matalam http://www.tempo.com.ph/2014/06/milf-man-dead-in-cotabato-clash/
- I like the set-up of the Papua article though I do not think that we should list "every single attack, battle, and raid". Wikipedia should not be a WP:Laundrylist. Rather we should stick, as the Papua heading says, to "major events". For those events that need more explanation, such as major battles or extensive negotiations, we can add internal links. I think that we can begin with this article, shortening what is now there until a Papua-style article, and then add in information from the sources mentioned as well as other sources. It is important that we keep this an encyclopedia and avoid it becoming an overly lengthy, comprehensive list of every small little event. It is important too that we focus on the insurgency and not the conflicts between tribes or extended families that are often confused with the insurgency, especially by outsiders. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 10:46, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Removed apparent garble
[edit]In this edit I've removed some article content which seemed to me to be seriously garbled. The content I removed read as follows:
lasted for a year. The American forces then move push inside the settles of Moro people. Kobbé was replaced by George Whitefield Davis as the commander of the Department of Mindanao-Jolo and put up better relationships with the Moro people. It continued for more than three decades which resulted in significant loss of life.[citation needed] Military governors were appointed by the United States to ensure peace and stability within the region. The conflict
That content seems to have come into the article about three years ago, in this edit. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Requested move 13 October 2015
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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Moro Conflict → Moro conflict – Technical move. The previous move is not possible. Smaller 'c' to have a 'cleaner' look. --Relisted. — Amakuru (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 16:48, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Moro Conflict: Landlessness and Misdirected Policies
- Comment The page was moved to Moro conflict in the Philippines by User:Muffin Wizard. @Shhhhwwww!!, is this a good page title for you? Natg 19 (talk) 18:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Current title is more suitable per [10] and [11]. Plus you also have frequently made unfinished controversial page moved by redirecting template to article such as what you have done in here and here along with many other controversial moved been complained by other user on your talkpage which lead you been blocked twice. ~ Muffin Wizard ;) 21:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Relisting comment I have restored the original title of "Moro Conflict" until this RM can be properly closed. There was no consensus seen here for a move to "Moro_conflict_in_the_Philippines", so noting here that that is a potential target, but no more. @Shhhhwwww!!: and @Muffin Wizard:, please try to come to an agreement here rather than prematurely moving the page before the RM has been closed. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. Until there's another "Moro Conflict" outside this region, there's no need for such a long title.--Cúchullain t/c 19:26, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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Article requires attention from experts
[edit]Article has several problems with neutrality and requires attention from informed experts on the topic. The general tone and content of the article is very biased and does not offer a very balanced view on the subject at all and needs general overhaul or editing. Users with the appropriate expertise need to check out the problems with this article and edit it to make the article offer a more balanced view or tone. 112.208.246.56 (talk) 14:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Copy edit
[edit]Since this article was tagged, and had a lot of grammar issues, I have made one run through the prose. However, it still has more serious issues that I do not have the background knowledge to fix. In particular, it reads like an arbitrary conglomeration of incidents, with no themes or analysis. There is also tremendous redundancy in the history section, which needs to be fixed by someone with sufficient knowledge. After these issues have been fixed, a second copy-edit might be appropriate. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:38, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
This article must be reconstructed from scratch. Massive Purge is necessary.
[edit]Pushing an agenda on Wikipedia is certainly unacceptable. Much of the article is clearly written from a partisan view and much of what is written lacks a neutral, balanced tone. Attempts have been made to abuse the page in order to fingerpoint at certain factions which is in direct violation of WP:NPOV. The article features questionable sources many of which link to blogs or pages prepared by Moro groups. Again partisan sources are not objectively verifiable and are certainly not neutral. At times, the sources in question may not even indicate the gravity of the claims being described which makes them dubious sources. This also leads me to believe that an agenda is definitely being pushed in order to twist the message of the citations given. Prior to edits by some concerned Wikipedia editors, this article also featured a number of grammatical errors, some of which are still present in the article, which makes the article lack a proper academic tone. There are even a few instances of copy-paste which is not acceptable. Furthermore many claims are made without any citations.
Much of the article needs to be purged and reconstructed from scratch to keep up with WP:NPOV and WP:RS rules. Validity of the information presented in the article is also in question and sentences with unsourced or poorly sourced information will also need to be deleted. Arquenevis 14:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I must agree. Perhaps putting this article up for AfD due to WP:TNT might be in order. Thoughts @Wtmitchell and Nick-D:?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:26, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'd support reducing the article, and its grossly over-complicated infobox, to a stub and starting again. Nick-D (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- So @Nick-D:, should this be taken to WP:AFD?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
- I'd support reducing the article, and its grossly over-complicated infobox, to a stub and starting again. Nick-D (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps this page and all associated wikipages should apply for protection as well? I would also support reducing the article and starting from scratch. -Arquenevis 06:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- Apparently using sourced material from reliable sources is "unacceptable". All the material on state sponsored colonization, activities of settlers, and the massacres are from reliable sources-books and articles written by academics, and news articles, none of them written by Moros- which you apparently had in issue with since you placed an inline cleanup tag after nearly every sentence. The few sentences which are sourced to Moro websites are noted as such- "The Moro National Liberation Front published", "The Moro National Liberation Front accused", "The Moro National Liberation Front questioned".Rajmaan (talk) 02:45, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
- Let's not bury our heads and pretend that this page did not read like a Moro propaganda piece. A lot of these sentences demonstrated improper editorial synthesis or implied conclusions not explicitly stated in the source. And no, simply linking to someone's blog or web page is not acceptable as Wikipedia does not condone the use of self-published material as a source of reliable information. Thankfully great effort has been made in subsequent rewrites to reword the article, purge the nonsense, fix the tone of the page, and to improve the references. -Arquenevis (talk) 01:09, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Requested move 09 April 2016
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The result of the proposal was move per request under Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Moro Conflict → Moro conflict – Not a proper name. – Baking Soda (talk) 16:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Baking Soda (talk) 18:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- Support per WP:NCCAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 19:08, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- Support cite WP:NCCAPS. - CentreLeftRight ✉ 05:58, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Support - WP:NCCAPS.--Staberinde (talk) 16:32, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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Proposed archiving of past discussions and rewrite of article
[edit]I plan to work on a rewrite of this article on my sandbox. I will then let fellow contributors review it and decide whether or not the new article solves the following problems:
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I also suggest archive all discussions that are older than 2015, as most of them have been resolved or abandoned. GeneralAdmiralAladeen (Têkilî min) 00:59, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
- Agreed, this article reals like a Moro propaganda piece.142.105.159.60 (talk) 22:31, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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