Talk:Mike Trout

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"Amateur Career" Section

Trout committed to attend East Carolina University on a baseball scholarship.[11] Though scouted by MLB teams, Trout was passed over by teams in the draft as players from New Jersey typically do not play baseball throughout the year, as they do in warmer states such as California, Texas, Florida, and Arizona.[9]

This is a really poorly written paragraph. It leads the reader to believe that Trout was not drafted at all. However, the very next section begins by telling us that Trout was selected in the first round (first round!) as the 25th pick of the entire draft!

I would suggest editing the second sentence in this paragraph to read: "Heavily scouted by MLB teams, Trout was not selected as early in the first round of the 2009 MLB Draft as expected, perhaps due to geographical bias. Players from New Jersey, like Trout, typically do not play baseball throughout the year, as often occurs in states in milder climates, like California, Texas, Florida, and Arizona (citation)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.168.191.162 (talk) 12:19, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

This section talks about his high school playing days, but does not mention his time playing for the prominent youth baseball organization Tri-State Arsenal, or his performances at the Area Code Games or with Team USA. I'm going to add some of this info. Kidd hudi (talk) 00:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

The nickname "Millville Meteor" was fabricated by wikipedia pranksters

Moved to #"The Millville Meteor"?

I noticed that this article does not state that the nickname, "The Millville Meteor", was fabricated by pranksters. It was then erroneously picked up by other websites, which was in turn used as citations for the false nickname. See link below. http://www.deceptology.com/2013/03/how-deception-gave-ball-player-his.html 2602:306:374B:C200:61F5:A19E:430F:385E (talk) 20:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC)ZXC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:374B:C200:61F5:A19E:430F:385E (talk) 20:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes - I was also surprised to see the lack of info on that, and I added two cites for it. The were rejected as being bad sources, so I just added an alternative. And here is the wikipedia edit that started it: "Mike Trout Washington Nationals player - Wikipedia - Diff for Revision of 2012-06-27T21:42:14".. How should this be reflected in the page text? ★NealMcB★ (talk) 04:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Other cites: "A Web of Doubt". NPR. 2014-07-04. Retrieved 2014-07-04. and presumably the book Virtual Unreality by Charles Seife. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 14:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

So how do we get the main article changed? Do we have to convince a mod that the original articles are erroneous and ours are correct? 2602:306:374B:C200:926:E17:B220:21E (talk) 02:02, 7 July 2014 (UTC)zxc

No need for a mod. Someone noted the prank on the page already. Not sure what you mean by "original articles" vs "ours" though. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there any reason to not just remove it? There's no citation, after all. Or does someone keep putting it back? --JackBNimble11 (talk) 04:36, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Though orignally a prank, it seems it's now notable enough. See later discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 03:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Comm 3460, Updates to Mike Trout's Page

Updates on September 24 and 25, 2014

I've updated some sections of the article over the last couple days. The "Amateur career" section is a little cleaner with some opinion removed and more facts added. I added to the "Off the field" section to reflect some of Trout's endorsements and some references to him in pop culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kidd hudi (talk • contribs) 16:39, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

As part of a course, our webpage is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program_talk:Cornell_University/Online_Communities_(Fall_2014) me and some of my colleagues have decided to edit this wikipedia page. My group's usernames are as follows: User: Kidd_hudi (who will be updating the wikipedia page) and User: Im257 Im257 (who will be helping with the research for this article) (talk) 17:44, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Edits to current section:

Draft and minors section:

This section makes no mention of Greg Morhardt, the Angels' scout who was adamant that the team select him. There should also be some information about how the Yankees were also very high on Trout and were, rumor has it, going to select Trout with their top pick that year. Kidd hudi (talk) 01:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Off the field

This section could use a sub-section about cultural references to Trout. He was once the answer to a Jeopardy clue, and Barack Obama used him as an analogy for the farm bill, for example. Trout also appears in Subway commercials, which I believe began during the Super Bowl in 2013. Kidd hudi (talk) 01:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Sources to be used

About Trout's performance at the 2010 Area Code Games

Trout's performance with Team USA in the 2010 Pan American Qualifiers

Article about Trout's youth travel team, Tri-State Arsenal

Article about Greg Morhardt pushing for the Washington Nationals to draft Trout

For these two sources we will discuss the ways in which Trout is starting to become a house-hold name by being featured as a Jeopardy question and being mentioned by President Obama as someone who ″could do a little bit of everything.″

These would both go in either the "Off the field section" or potentially a new section about cultural references to Trout. Kidd hudi (talk) 18:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Im257 (talk) 17:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi guys, great start, but you can definitely expand your contributions. Try and look at some other MLB players of the same ranking and what their pages include and don't include. Maybe also take the time to cite more formally in your bibliography - you can use the cite button tool to help with this! Easowers (talk) 17:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

In addition to the sound advice offered above by Easowers (with whom I agree that you guys are off to a great start!), the page could be improved by fixing the half-dozen or so barelinks used for references. To do this, you might consider utilizing ProveIt, which many active editors have found to be a valuable tool for formatting reference tags.--JayJasper (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

That's a great suggestion, JayJasper ! Thanks so much for that. I know that Im257 and Kidd hudi really appreciate it. I would also suggest that if they can find a way to restructure (possibly into more subsections) Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim that may improve readability of the section as a whole. Let me know if you both need help with your edits as well! -Easowers (talk) 19:48, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

References

Feedback for Cornell project

Contents

• I would consider changing the phrase “little-leaguer” to “when he was in little league.” “Little leaguer” sounds informal.
• Maybe integrate the last two sentences in the Early Life section for better flow
• The place he went to high school is stated twice, which is not necessary.
• Early Life is a little bit shorter than the featured article on Mariano Rivera. While Trout is younger, I would consider adding some more info on his early life.
• Provide links to other Wikipedia article where possible – for example “Topps.”
• I would consider adding more about his personal life in general if possible to give a well-rounded perspective of him (Maybe expand the “Off the field” section)
• Some other ballplayers have “Player Profile” as a section. Maybe consider adding this and throwing in information about the kind of player he is (Balanced, with a lot of tools – like Obama said)

Skylerd23 (talk) 18:32, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Organization and Style

• It is organized in a logical manner. The way it is organized is a lot less detailed then Albert Pujols’ article which is an A class. There may need to be a section titled personal life. A lot of other professional baseball players have a personal life section and I think this would add to the organization and flow.
• The descriptions of Trout’s career are very clear. He was one of the best minor league players and when he got called up for good in 2012 he showed his abilities. The 2012 section seems to be a little long. Shortening this or making a subsection would be ideal. This will give the reader a better chance of understanding the year he had.
• Added a link to the White Sox page in the article. It was not linked.
• The 2012 section is the only thing that I see that needs some editing. It just seems too long. Maybe organizing it into events that happened during that year would be better. Like the catch he had vs. the Orioles when he went over the fence, that could be a section by itself.

Kevin (talk) 18:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Sources

Overall the article is sourced well. Whenever a claim is made about being the best at something (best player, best prospect, best offensive player, etc. ) try to back it up with multiple sources. A good example of this when Trout won the Heart and Hustle Award; this has two sources. Any information in the info box should be referenced explicitly some where in the article. For example if he was AL stolen base champion in 2012, say this somewhere in the article. If you can try to avoid citing sites like sbnation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjm274 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget to sign your contributions, Cjm274! Easowers (talk) 22:01, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Additional feedback

Kidd hudi & Im257: Thanks for your additions to this article. Just a few thoughts on how you could improve your contributions (and the article as a whole)

1. While you used the {{cite web}} template for your references, you only included the URL in some of them, not additional information like the article name, the publication it was in or the publication date. Websites sometimes move their articles and change the URLs; if the full reference is provided, it's possible to update the link after the article is moved.
2. A lot of the language in this article is very US-centric and may not make sense to readers who are not in the US. If you link terms like Junior and Senior to the appropriate Wikipedia articles (Junior (education) and Senior (education), in these cases) then readers can click the link and read more if they are confused by the terminology. Similarly, it's useful to link the first instance of a term (like slugging percentage, which isn't linked until the third time it is used in the article). Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

The Jeopardy bit

Sure, that might seem cool, but hundreds of thousands of clues have been on Jeopardy, so Mike Trout being one of them isn't that important for a Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew11111 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

What's going on here?

@Make America Great Again:, @Yankees10:, you're both edit warring. I'm restoring it to the way it was per WP:BRD. Now's the time to discuss, not revert. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:14, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

You are hardly a neutral voice given that you just reverted to his preferred version. As someone who has been involved in professional baseball, there are numerous issues with the article as it currently stands. I listed out most of them in the edit summary. #1: The correct baseball terminology is "everyday player" or "regular", NOT "regular player". That's why I asked if someone from ESL wrote this. #2: The article lead is in violation of Wikipedia:Blp with extraneous information that might fit into the content but not in the lead. It also gives Wikipedia:UNDUE to sabermetric's point of view in violation of NPOV while neglecting to mention all tradition stats including the fact that Trout led the MLB in stolen bases as a rookie. #3: The article in its current form looks like a advertising/marketing tool or propaganda fluff piece for "Baseball Reference" and "Fangraphs" and I have strong reason to believe someone from Baseball Reference or Fangraphs wrote the lead in an effort to boost traffic for their websites (conflict of interest?). #4: The body contents is full of repetitions. #5: Even "Fangraph" agrees that Trout's skillset in 2016 is quite different from the Trout in 2012. I cited it [1] yet it keeps getting removed. #6: WAR is not a universal stat and therefore does not belong in the lead. In fact, different websites use different formulas and come up with different so-called "WAR". They can't even agree to come up with an universal formula. How could we take it seriously and mention it repeatedly throughout the article (including the lead) as supposed "facts" to the general public? It could have a place in the section where we specifically discuss the traditionalists vs. sabermetricians conflict during the Miguel Cabrera vs. Trout MVP race, but it does not merit mention repeatedly while traditional stats are conspicuously absent and ignored and it definitely does not belong in the lead because that would be giving it undue weight. Regards--Make America Great Again (talk) 04:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

WP:BRD: bold, revert, DISCUSS. That means the baseline version should remain until discussion is complete, and that has not taken place here. There are no BLP violations that I see. I think you need to familiarize yourself with what is and is not a BLP violation. Including sabermetric stats does not in any way violate BLP. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't disagree but the your part about the "regular player". You're welcome to change that part back without a revert from me. But the second part about WAR essentially is "I don't like sabermetrics so I don't want them in the article". Look i'm not a huge fan of the stat either, but it is becoming more and more popular and is mentioned in most sources now. It's not something that should be removed.--Yankees10 16:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

It is of course tricky to use sabermetrics considering BR and FG don't calculate WAR the same way. But I do agree it's importance and benefits have been established. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:06, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Fielding Bible

Where is the policy that disallows the Fielding Bible award to be shown on Trout's page? Justin15w (talk) 17:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

It's fine in the body of the article but not in the infobox per Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Player style advice.--Yankees10 17:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks much for the quick response. Justin15w (talk) 17:27, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

American League Most Valuable Player (2014) update

I updated a citation that was needed regarding the 2014 American League Division Series. I edited the sentence with reference to Game 3 versus the Kansas City Royals, to provide more clarity and used this Baseball Reference page as a source which has been used previously. Rajesh.kl (talk) 20:22, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

The MVP award is not announced by MLB. It is announced by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.79.70.2 (talk) 04:01, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

"The Millville Meteor"?

Is this name really prominent enough to be in the first sentence of the lead, in bold, as if it's used as often as his actual name? Because I've never once heard him referred to as that. Lizard (talk) 04:38, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I see that this post is a year old, but [2][3] – Muboshgu (talk) 20:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2018

I want to update his career information. 76.169.163.115 (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Intro Paragraph

Trout's second place MVP finishes should be updated to include 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.188.6.58 (talk) 23:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

References

Height and weight

We list his height and weight in the lede.

Questions:

1) Should we? We don't do this for most ballplayers.

2) If it is ok to do it with some but not all ballplayers, what are the criteria that call for it? Unusual height or weight? That's not the case with him.

3) The lede is supposed to summarize what is in the text/body. But this does not appear in the text or body (as seems to be usual when we reflect it at all).

4) If this is relevant, shouldn't it be part of the baseball player infobox? Just like the hockey player infobox? And the cricketer infobox? And the climber infobox? And the bowler (height) infobox? And the cyclist infobox? And the field hockey player infobox? And the lacrosse player infobox? And the rugby player infobox? Etc.

--2604:2000:E010:1100:90BB:B6FB:343D:D463 (talk) 20:50, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Statistics for League Leader

I have updated the stats to 2019, but there appear to be other categories that he has been a league leader in. Unfortunately I am not a baseball fan so don't understand the significance or relevance of some of them. Can someone please check baseball-reference and 1. check that my update is correct, and 2. see if any others should be added. Koncorde (talk) 12:49, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2019

200th Stolen Base recorded August 31, 2019, making Trout the youngest ever player to hit 200+ career home runs and 200+ career stolen bases. 2605:E000:AA8D:7000:B010:42CA:1CBF:C7C5 (talk) 17:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. Please make a precise request and provide reliable sources to verify any claims. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:19, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2020

remove “The millville meteor“ add “south jersey slugger” reliable sources 2601:83:C100:12B0:9902:3A4F:8DE3:1DF3 (talk) 22:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - that means providing sources such as magazine articles, newspaper articles or books. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Trading card?

Should there not be a notice that his rookie card got sold for a record $900K? Garnhami (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020

Please de-capitalize "A Division" in the phrase "Cal Ripken Baseball, A Division of Babe Ruth League" 64.203.187.116 (talk) 16:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:23, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Homeruns

His homeruns are up to 300 now Keegs353 (talk) 23:43, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2021

216.164.51.87 (talk) 20:15, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

File:Https://www.si.com/.image/t share/MTY4MTI1Njk3NTUwOTg0NDY1/trout natsjpg.jpg

https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MTI1Njk3NTUwOTg0NDY1/trout_natsjpg.jpg

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. If your request is for us to use an image from Sports Illustrated, please see Wikipedia:Copyrights. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:22, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2021

The article states that Mike Trout is friends with Eagle’s QB Carson Wentz, but he is no longer with the Eagles. Just was suggesting the addition of “former”. 2601:645:4301:3C10:B1DC:EB3:7C6E:28E9 (talk) 20:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Link20XX (talk) 22:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Introductory Paragraph

I strongly believe that the introductory paragraph should be updated to reflect Trout's common perception as a good player, rather than a list of his accolades. User Larry Hockett responded to my change by saying that the lead section "is really just a summary of what's covered in the body of the article", and I agree with this suggestion, yet I feel that the article is much better summarized through a succinct, qualitative description of Trout than through a modestly specific list of accolades he has received, which is much more difficult for a layman to understand. Other sports do this much better -- as I noted, top players in association and American football, hockey, and basketball are all qualitatively noted in their lede sections, which I think provides a much easier to understand perception of the quality of player. PS BC BBSK (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

eagles

This article states that Trout has season tickets for the Eagles, but the source was written 2017. I couldn't find any source stating Trout has season tickets written recently. Suggestion: change holds the held. SuspiciousPenguin2 (talk) 11:54, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

(holds to held) SuspiciousPenguin2 (talk) 11:55, 16 February 2023 (UTC)