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Good articleHurricane Epsilon (2005) has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Good topic starHurricane Epsilon (2005) is part of the Off-season Atlantic hurricanes series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
June 16, 2006Good article nomineeListed
May 14, 2008Good article reassessmentKept
October 20, 2008WikiProject A-class reviewNot approved
December 15, 2010Good article reassessmentDelisted
January 8, 2011Good article nomineeListed
April 5, 2011Good topic candidatePromoted
Current status: Good article

Todo

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references Jdorje 04:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed but this is more like it. This should be the standard expected of all hurricane articles in the future. They should be no less than this. This article is nice. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 14:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "third-strongest" sentence

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Hurricane Epsilon was the third-strongest hurricane ever recorded in the month of December, with a minimum pressure of 981 mbar (hPa); only Hurricane Nicole of 1998 and an unnamed storm in the 1925 season were stronger.

This snipplet was removed from the "Records" section as dubious earlier today; is there anything backing this up? --AySz88\^-^ 18:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The HURDAT does not give a pressure for the 1925 storm; so it cannot be said how strong it was (and it looks like the reanalysis will reduce it to a TS anyway). However now that I've looked through the data more fully the claim that Epsilon is number 3 is valid: Its behind Lili 1984 (980 mbar) and Nicole 1998 (979mbar).--Nilfanion (talk) 18:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Passed GA

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Congratulations to all who have edited this article Gnangarra 13:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Sweeps Review: Pass

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As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I made a minor correction in the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 03:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New format

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Given that no one has complained yet, I am wondering whether anyone opposes how I re-formatted this article to be focused more on the meteorological history. Unlike other storm articles that have recently been merged, Epsilon is legitimately notable, based on the records it caused and its unusual meteorological history. I would like to move it to Meteorological history of Hurricane Epsilon, given that is its focus, but I'd like some feedback first. --Hurricanehink (talk) 00:50, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In case anyone is objecting about the title, I would like to point out something. We have an article on Kidnapping of Jaycee Lee Dugard, and Murder of James Bulger, not on the respective people related to those articles. The article title should be about the focus of the article, and given that Epsilon was only notable because of its meteorological history, that is how I believe the article should be focused. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ealdgyth - Talk 16:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be reviewing this article shortly. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Ref 20

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Reference 20 appears to be misplaced. It's used to cite a discussion from Lixion Avila but the cite describes a discussion from James L. Franklin. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 02:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, looks like someone merely copy-and-pasted the reference for Franklin's Discussion #20 intending to change it to point to Avila's Discussion #21 but neglected to update the pasted ref. Fixed now. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 02:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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merge

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Nominator basically withdrew, now neutral. No consensus for a merge.~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:44, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This article has 22 kb total, the records section can fit easily in season article and so can most of the information. Just because it was a meteorological oddity doesn't give it an article. --170.24.150.111 (talk) 14:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The GA excuse won't apply as seen by Tropical Depression One (2009) or Tropical Storm Josephine (2008). --98.116.128.15 (talk) 14:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Support Epsilon 2005 is not Zeta 2005 as far as I know about both of these two. SMB99thx my edits 22:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose- Though it's Epsilon in December, this is really well written and it is a December hurricane after all. From a impacts perspective, not notable, meteorological perspective, it is definitely notable Floridaball (talk)

03:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

*Merge This is how I feel with Azores, Delta, Epsilon, and Zeta. Does not need an article. Oddities can be covered in the season article. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose - In the past week, articles for three named storms of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season have been proposed for merger - the Azores subtropical storm, Zeta, and Epsilon. With respect to the former two, I had no objections to merging, albeit barely for Zeta. However, with Epsilon, I have reservations. Why is this the case?

I want to start by acknowledging my agreement with some of the arguments made in favor of the merger of the Hurricane Epsilon article. Epsilon had no land impacts, and neither becoming a (Category 1) hurricane nor defying forecasts per se is meteorologically significant. Also, aside from Epsilon being the longest-lasting December hurricane, the article's trivia section is not really that important.

However, there is one thing that differentiates Epsilon from many other Atlantic systems - the commentary the National Hurricane Center (NHC) provided in its forecast discussions from the hurricane. Some of these statements are already acknowledged in Epsilon's Wikipedia article. Moreover, by even reading a couple of these discussions, readers can not only understand the frustrations that NHC forecasters experienced when forecasting Epsilon, but also appreciate how meteorologically abnormal this hurricane was. To illustrate:

"THERE ARE NO CLEAR REASONS...AND I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE ONE UP...TO EXPLAIN
THE RECENT STRENGTHENING OF EPSILON AND I AM JUST DESCRIBING THE
FACTS. HOWEVER...I STILL HAVE TO MAKE AN INTENSITY FORECAST AND THE
BEST BET AT THIS TIME IS TO PREDICT WEAKENING DUE TO COLD WATER...HIGH SHEAR AND DRY AIR." (from Discussion #21 of Epsilon)


THE END IS IN SIGHT...YES...BUT NOT QUITE YET. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING
TO FIND A WEAKENING SYSTEM AND INSTEAD I FOUND THAT EPSILON IS
STILL A HURRICANE. AS IT HAS DONE EVERY MORNING...THE CONVECTION
HAS REDEVELOPED AROUND THE LARGE AND DISTINCT EYE....KICKING THE
DVORAK T-NUMBERS BACK UP AGAIN. (from Discussion #32 of Epsilon)

Combined with an appropriate explanation in this article of typical atmospheric conditions in the North Atlantic during December, readers gain greater context on why Hurricane Epsilon was a completely unexpected tropical cyclone and should have lasted for a shorter time than observed. As I said in the merge discussion for 2005's Tropical Storm Zeta, I believe a North Atlantic tropical cyclone should have a Wikipedia article if it caused significant land impacts and/or is meteorologically significant in a way that needs a comprehensive explanation. A simple summary of Epsilon in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season article may not be able to tell the nuances of a story of a hurricane that defied A.) professional forecasters' predictions so consistently to the point of visceral reactions, and B.) climatological explanations about Atlantic tropical cyclogenesis. Instead of merging, how about we expand this article on Epsilon to account for these details?

To summarize, if this article on Hurricane Epsilon is merged into the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season page, I worry that readers will be unable to appreciate why Epsilon was such a unique tropical cyclone. To the users that want this page merged - please send me either on my talk page or in response to this post a condensed version of the meteorological history of Epsilon that accounts for the NHC commentary and climatological descriptions I have explained. Until then, I do not support the merger of this article on Hurricane Epsilon.

Hurricane Andrew (444) 07:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak merge now, per the comment of AndrewPeterT. Epsilon's most notable record was that it made NHC forecasters show their personal FEELINGS in the advisories. However, that can still be covered in the season article, though the section will have to be a little long. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment–Thanks AndrewPeterT for your comment. I also only now weakly support, however, as the nominator I can't support. If it hadn't been such a hot debate I would have closed it.
  • AndrewPeterT, Hurricane Epsilon was an oddity. However, so were many other hurricanes. This years Epsilon underwent rapid intensification so late in the season so far north, going from a tropical depression to category 3 in 30 hours(7:18 AM ruins my thinking). So, I gotta say, you had good comments that changed the discussion. Also, very few people would even look up Epsilon 2005. --WesternAtlanticCentral (talk) 12:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose MH is very long (although I guess it may need a clean-up just in case it is too long) and, unlike the Azores storm, was a meteorological rarity. It should stay.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 19:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose because of its uniqueness and oddity. Also, oppose to keep from bloating the already bloated main season article. Epsilon has sufficient length to keep its article. Gumballs678 talk 13:13, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment-These are the only reasons people are opposing
    1. It would bloat the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season(which is partly true, but 2020 is double that size),
    2. It is a meterological rarity(partly true, but many articles which were meterological rarities don't get articles, like this year's Epsilon)
    3. The NHC expressed their own feelings on the article(which is moot, because that can easily be described in 2-3 sentences),
    4. The 22KB is reasonable length to keep an article(which is moot, articles nearly this size have been merged)
  • --WesternAtlanticCentral (talk) 13:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • WesternAtlanticCentral This year's Epsilon isn't really an oddity though, sure it attained major hurricane intensity where no other storm had that late in the season, but that's all it has going for it. Furthermore, you can't just go and say "the 22kb is reasonable length to keep" is moot because other articles that length have been merged, because it is a fair argument. This is why we have these discussions, if those other articles that were that length were voted to merge, then that's why they were merged. That shouldn't discount the argument on Epsilon's article. May I ask, what are your opinions? Do you believe it should be merged? Gumballs678 talk 13:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Gumballs678: Arthur is 4,000 bytes longer and it’s also being talked about being merged, so it is kind of moot. As for your other point, Epsilon is also an oddity because it underwent such rapid intensification so far northeast so late in the season, which most storms don’t do. WesternAtlanticCentral (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • These claims to notability are from us. My opinion is that Epsilon 2020 is also notable for its 'meteorological oddity'.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • Arthur had two discussions about being merged and both resulted in it being kept and not merged. And like I said, the only thing Epsilon 2020 has going for it is its rapid intensification in a location so far northeast. That's it. That's all one has to write for Epsilon 2020. Epsilon 2005 was a hurricane in December, which is rare, and lasted a week in said month, which is a record. So, are you in favor of merging because Epsilon 2020 doesn't have an article? Gumballs678 talk 14:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @WesternAtlanticCentral: Your first, second, and fourth points are essentially "other articles have been merged/haven't been split, so this article should be merged/shouldn't be split", which is textbook WP:OSE. Sure, 2020 AHS's article is long (it has 83 kB of readable prose), but that is grounds for splitting/trimming 2020 AHS and irrelevant to 2005 AHS (which has 62 kB of readable prose and just above the recommended splitting size at WP:SIZERULE). Meteorological oddities do sometimes get articles but not all of them do, depending on whether each can be covered adequately in the season article or not. If Epsilon 2020 can be covered succinctly in 2020 AHS, then don't split 2020 AHS; if it can't then go ahead and split. That, however, has nothing to do with 2005 and this discussion. Lastly, "articles nearly this size have been merged" is not a reason to merge and does not address the claims that the content covered in this article is significant. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 14:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, forgot to log in. Pinging Hurricanestudier123 and MarioProtIV and Robloxsupersuperhappyface. --WesternAtlanticCentral (talk) 20:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, 2005’s Epsilon wasn’t notable at all. It hit nowhere and most of the article is just meteorological History. Zeta has an article since it interrupted a boat race and lasted into 2006. Epsilon isn’t notable and is a wasteful article. Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk) 20:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, how is it wasteful @Robloxsupersuperhappyface:? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well not wasteful but more of unneeded Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk) 21:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I thought the article was warranted/needed to explain its unusual meteorological history. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I gotta agree with super here. It's an unnecessary article that, while it may bloat 2005, if we condense it it will be ok. And we must be willing to help. --WesternAtlanticCentral (talk) 21:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per its unusual met history, which would be too much detail for the season article if merged. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment-I condensed the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season by over 1.3 kilobytes. --WesternAtlanticCentral (talk) 21:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I oppose to merging per arguments given above, especially that of KN2731 about size and merging ("Lastly, "articles nearly this size have been merged" is not a reason to merge and does not address the claims that the content covered in this article is significant."). I further believe the article's content is of sufficient quality and detail to warrant its existence, not to mention that it managed to defy forecasts consistently along with its intensity and duration as a mid-latitutde December hurricane. Therefore I don't think merging to the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season will do the content justice. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 23:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Too much for the article, as well as the fact that 2005 anomaly is probably well-reported in the media at that time (I assume, and the times are long different back then). SMB99thx my edits 01:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment-This needs more organization. Based on the arguments people have given, I am now neutral, but I will leave the discussion up. --WesternAtlanticCentral (talk) 18:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2601:547:C500:6750:2556:B1A1:E318:3FA6 (talk) 03:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Keep This was A notable storm for its oddness and shouldn’t be merged[reply]

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