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On 13 February 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Memnon (mythology) to Memnon. The result of the discussion was moved.

Skin color

I was reading about the ancient Ethiopia. I read that the Yeha temple in Tigray Ethiopia is similar to Jewish Temple.

I think it is logically right and I treid to find related words in language of Tigray and Jewish where found a lot silimialrities.

On the other page it is been explianed on Greek Mythology and Memmon as have been dark colred king of Ethiopia but also remarked as it should not be confused modern Ethiopia.

How I understamnd it though. There were dark people with kings who lived in that part of the owrld, so is not that possible the kingdom be stretched all the way to the present Ethiopia especiually the northern i.e Tigray and modern Eritrea.

Moreover is not that possible the King to have been seated in Modern Yeha and aksum Area and traveled all the way down to greece. many people argue transporation and confused it with recent world look.

To me the ancient world was green, upper/lower Red sea was land connecting north Africa with Modern Arabia. People were traveling with Chariots and horses.

Other point is other than the blue eye Jews of our modern world there are still brown people Beduins who look like Ethiopians / Northern.

Generally speaking there was inter marraige, one dynast ruling over the other in areas bound by the Mesokopotamia, Indian ocean, Meditereanean sea in south west highlands of Ethiopia.

It is also true Jewish were scattered all over Europe some retained their Jewish root some intermearried with Europeans and when mass migrated back after world war two that means after been forgoten for thousands of years by their home brothers, they returned back and become dominant in number.

lasdt wish recent scientific development reveals or will enable to identifay Genetic similarity or genetic make ups of humans and be anble to trace ancestral origins.

Thanks

Mulubrhan

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.3.236.41 (talk • contribs) 2007-08-17

Wasn;t Memnon black? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.222.85 (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe so, but in Trojan art he was portrayed as being very fair, thoughmany other pieces of art, including busts, have him with a darker complection. -Divya da animal lvr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.163.234 (talk) 02:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He was most certainly not. Koalorka (talk) 22:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let us approach this scientifically. Memnon's mother was the Morning Dawn. His father was the Son of Laomedon, King of Troy, and a water nymph. Laomedon was a racial Trojan (although descended from Zeus, King of the Gods, in the fifth generation). So racially speaking Memnon was a quarter Trojan, a quarter water nymph, and one half Morning Dawn. Assuming that the Trojans were white and furthermore assuming that the water nymph in question was white too (which is not 100 percent sure - I strongly suspect water nymphs are just as diverse as humanity), then Memnon's skin color must have been a rather pale (but still beautiful) hue of beautiful bright pastel red. Corinius (talk) 02:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, wrong science applied. This is mythology, so it only matters here what ancient writers say. And for ancient writers Memnon was either "Aethiops" (which means an African from "Aethiopia", i.e. Black Africa) or explicitly referred to as "black Memnon". 212.87.13.74 (talk) 23:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The original source mentions Memnon as being from Aithiopia; the land between Cilicia and Susa, so we are talking about Anatolia, Mesopotamia or Elam. The source as well refers to him as King of all Asia. In the ancient times Aithiopia was used to refer to territories in the Middle East and only later was it used as a term to refer to the region below Egypt (which could be anything below Egypt and not technically what we call Ethiopia as that had a specific name back then). Cauca50 (talk) 03:51, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The anon is absolutely correct. We're talking about mythology here, and what ancient writers said. There is just no way to "scientifically" get answers here. By policy, we must also avoid conducting our own Original Research, and stick to what actual sources do say without adding anything. So if you are going to make original research assertions like "only later was the name Aethiopia ever used for Africa" (and there seem to be an abundance of disinformational assertions of this kind), you might want to look up what actual sources say about it first. For example, Strabo most certainly wrote that Ethiopia was definitely in Africa, but that at one point in ancient times, its boundary had come as far north as Asia Minor, to include most of the Middle East. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 12:54, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Snorri's Múnón / Mennón?

Is the Múnón or Mennón mentioned by the twelfth-century Icelandic writer Snorri Sturluson in his prologue to the Prose Edda this Memnon, Menon the Trojan soldier killed by Leontes and mentioned in the Iliad (XII.201), or someone else? Answer whom and how you know.

According to Snorri, Menon was one of the twelve chieftains who dwelt in Troy in the stronghold with the High King. Mennon was wedded to the daughter of the High King at that time, Priam. The daughter's name was Tróán. According to Snorri, Múnón and Tróán had a child named Trór, "whom," Snorri states, "we call Thor." Thus, in Snorri's euhemerized account of Norse mythology, Múnón is the father of Thor, who, according to Snorri, is the ancestor (eighteen generations later) of Odin.^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuajohnson555 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Prologue to Snorri's Prose Edda

Aethiopia or Ethiopia?

I feel like this article should use Aethiopia instead of Ethiopia as from my understanding Aethiopia was the Classical Greek term used. --Spekkios (talk) 18:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 14:43, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Memnon (mythology) → Memnon
Memnon → Memnon (disambiguation)

– Clear common name, per all top hits on googlebooks, and per Wikipedia article page views when comparing against all other articles listed at our current disambiguation page. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:09, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per nom. Everything else on the page stems from the mythological name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support He is a rather major mythological character, and seems to be the primary topic. Dimadick (talk) 19:35, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Recent changes

@Magistracraig: If there are changes you would like to propose to the article, please present them here on the talk page so we can discuss them. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Prologue to Snorri's Prose Edda

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