Talk:Manchester City F.C./Archive 2
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Edit request from 86.112.101.157, 12 April 2011
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I believe that Paul Dickov should be mentioned for his outstanding goal against Gillingham in the play off final, especially since it was in the 95th minute of the game. Thank you Adam Tomes
86.112.101.157 (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Not done: a single goal in the team's long history isn't really appropriate here. It's mentioned in Dickov's article and in the play-off article already. — Bility (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Missing players from Squad List
Why aren't Lescott and Santa Cruz in the squad list?
Boateng isn't officially gone yet. Lets not jump the gun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1fingerwillie (talk • contribs) 12:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I am trying to establish the notability of the TC cup. It is not listed at the mcfcstats website but I recall it is included for some (but not all) stats in the Gary James Complete Record book. The competition is not mentioned at the Man City player list, although the wording there states "...several now-defunct competitions including..." so it is not clear whether it is included - I think all competitions contributing to the player stats should be listed for completeness. Regarding the TC cup I may well raise a wider view at WP:Footy as to the notability of this competition for player stats, but wanted to get the Man City view first. For background it is included at this West Ham stats site. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- The summaries of player appearances in Complete Record do not include the Tennent Caledonian Cup (I once thought it did, but when I subsequently checked I was mistaken). The line-ups for City's two matches in the competition are listed elsewhere in the book, but are not included in those totals. Having just checked about half a dozen of them (all those on the player list who are affected), this appears to be applied consistently. The list of competitions on the player list was accurate, I've slightly reworded to that effect. My approach is to make no judgement on the notability of the minor competitions, but simply to cite the figures the sources use. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for response, and for clarifying what stats include the TC cup in the James book. It seems a bit strange to me that the competition is deemed notable enough to have line-up listings but not to be included in player totals, although given that mcfcstats site does not include them either, then excluding them from the List seems appropriate. It is interesting though how different clubs (or at least stat-related websites for clubs) have different approaches to the competition. Thanks for making the minor wording change to the List. Eldumpo (talk) 18:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- The problem is that the Caledonian Cup, along with others such as the Anglo-Italian League Cup etc, were never recognised by UEFA and so when UEFA finally moved to formalise the European Cups and these competitions faded away, the precedent was set that these competitions were always unofficial and thus to be treated as little more than organised friendlies. Thus, clubs aren't supposed to record appearances in these competitions as competitive for their historical players, and thus statistics recording sites don't count them as official appearances. Books may record them as they are historical and interesting, and (factual) books exist to serve the the principles of communicating historical and interesting details, but its still the done thing now not to include appearances in these competitions in appearance tables. Falastur2 Talk 19:26, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Whilst the cups you refer to may well not have been "officially recognised" by UEFA I'm not sure this is necessarily the issue regarding whether they are notable or not for statistics purposes. Does this mean UEFA did indicate that the Texaco Cup and Anglo-Italian Cup were official? Regarding UEFA's move to formalise the European cups, doesn't this just refer to when they took control of the old Fairs Cup by turning it into the UEFA Cup? In which case this was a number of years before the TC started. You say "clubs aren't supposed to count these" but surely no one official stipulates that - have you got any references? Also, I don't really see a fundamental difference between a book containing historical club stats, or a website version; you can see that a West Ham stats website does include the TC appearances for that club. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 09:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- The problem is that the Caledonian Cup, along with others such as the Anglo-Italian League Cup etc, were never recognised by UEFA and so when UEFA finally moved to formalise the European Cups and these competitions faded away, the precedent was set that these competitions were always unofficial and thus to be treated as little more than organised friendlies. Thus, clubs aren't supposed to record appearances in these competitions as competitive for their historical players, and thus statistics recording sites don't count them as official appearances. Books may record them as they are historical and interesting, and (factual) books exist to serve the the principles of communicating historical and interesting details, but its still the done thing now not to include appearances in these competitions in appearance tables. Falastur2 Talk 19:26, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for response, and for clarifying what stats include the TC cup in the James book. It seems a bit strange to me that the competition is deemed notable enough to have line-up listings but not to be included in player totals, although given that mcfcstats site does not include them either, then excluding them from the List seems appropriate. It is interesting though how different clubs (or at least stat-related websites for clubs) have different approaches to the competition. Thanks for making the minor wording change to the List. Eldumpo (talk) 18:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
1965-2001
It is not true that Man City were the first former winners of a European trophy to be relegated to the third tier of their domestic league. 1. FC Magdeburg, cup winner's cup winner in 1974, were relegated to 3rd league in Germany in 1991. Therefore this statement should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.206.70.29 (talk) 21:39, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Etihad Stadium
there is a note that the club's stadium name should not be changed to "Etihad Stadium" - on the basis that sponsored names are not used. This, though, is inconsistent with the usage for Asenal FC "Emirates Stadium" not "Ashburton Grove", Allianz Arena, Reebok Stadium, etc. Please clarify the reason for the note. TomHennell (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- There is a rule on Wikipedia that states that where a sponsored stadium (or other thing) is known more commonly by another name, the article should not use the sponsorships, as Wikipedia seeks to avoid sponsor money "altering" the facts. For the same reason, Wikipedia states that just because Barclays have paid millions to put their name on the Premier League competition, that name should not be used (only referenced) on Wikipedia. However, where stadiums have no other name, or the other name is little-known, the sponsors name is used as it is the de facto name. In the case of the Emirates Stadium, Emirates Airlines paid for their name to be plastered on the stadium two years before the stadium was opened. The name "Ashburton Grove" is rarely used by Arsenal fans, let alone anyone else. In the case of the Allianz Arena, the stadium was actually constructed by its sponsors, not by the clubs, and they still own and operate it - Bayern and 1860 Munich are technically only tenants. Similarly, I think the Reebok doesn't actually have another name - I'm not certain, but I think the sponsors name was on it before the stadium opened, just like with Arsenal. The very fact that I don't know about this is testament to the way "the Reebok" is the de facto name. In the case of City's stadium, as a City fan I will guarantee you that the name "Etihad Stadium" will not take off with the City fans, even though it may be used by the press. In fact, we never even really called the stadium "City of Manchester Stadium" either. It's "Eastlands", nothing more and nothing less. If anything, the article should be changed to "Eastlands", but then Eastlands is technically a geographical area which would create a conflict of interests, and "Eastlands Stadium" is not the correct terminology at all. For this reason, the sponsor's name should not be used as the official name on Wikipedia, though it can be mentioned. Falastur2 Talk 17:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. As a City fan, I have never called the stadium Eastlands (which is every bit as much a concocted name as Sportcity or the City of Manchester Stadium), and nor have I heard any other Manc call it that. I have always referred to it as CoMS, but I strongly suspect that from now on I will be calling it "The Etihad" simply on the basis that at last it actually has a proper name of sorts. One thing is clear, it appears that it can no longer be called the "City of Manchester Stadium" as the City of Manchester itself will be particularly assiduous abount only using its new proper name. We will see; but I take it that if "the Etihad" does become the most common form of reference to the stadium, you will have no objection to the change? TomHennell (talk) 22:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Me, no, I'd be alright with it. You might, however, run acropper against some of the more...devout...anti-sponsorships users here, though. Just a heads-up. Falastur2 Talk 23:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- If there was actually an alternative name, I would agree. The proper name for the locality is Bradford, which does not help. I would have been happy with Phillips Park, or Turing Way, or Medlock Vale, or even Ashton Canal; but none of these were adopted. But as I say, we will see how it gets referred to from now on. TomHennell (talk) 23:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- As a City supporter I suggest we change it to the Etihad Stadium, it's the least we could do for them 184.147.215.27 (talk) 16:34, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
- I think we might need a vote soon on whether the page should be renamed the Etihad Stadium. I know Wikipedia naming conventions often state the preferred page title should be the one used most often rather than the official name. In the past week, I've heard the Etihad and the Etihad Stadium more often than the City of Manchester Stadium. The name seems to be catching on. Stevo1000 (talk) 23:33, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Only reliable sources count, though. --OpenFuture (talk) 04:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
- I think we might need a vote soon on whether the page should be renamed the Etihad Stadium. I know Wikipedia naming conventions often state the preferred page title should be the one used most often rather than the official name. In the past week, I've heard the Etihad and the Etihad Stadium more often than the City of Manchester Stadium. The name seems to be catching on. Stevo1000 (talk) 23:33, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Me, no, I'd be alright with it. You might, however, run acropper against some of the more...devout...anti-sponsorships users here, though. Just a heads-up. Falastur2 Talk 23:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. As a City fan, I have never called the stadium Eastlands (which is every bit as much a concocted name as Sportcity or the City of Manchester Stadium), and nor have I heard any other Manc call it that. I have always referred to it as CoMS, but I strongly suspect that from now on I will be calling it "The Etihad" simply on the basis that at last it actually has a proper name of sorts. One thing is clear, it appears that it can no longer be called the "City of Manchester Stadium" as the City of Manchester itself will be particularly assiduous abount only using its new proper name. We will see; but I take it that if "the Etihad" does become the most common form of reference to the stadium, you will have no objection to the change? TomHennell (talk) 22:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Sergio Aguero
"While the club have yet to announce anything. . . " According to the source, the club hasn't announced the deal therefore is there any reliable sources to say he has joined the club? I think not. We all know he is going but utill he has OFFICIALLY joined the club he shouldn't be included in team lists on wikipedia - Verifiability. Thanks, Pereirab04 (talk) 03:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I have removed Aguero from the team and also from the transfer page. Any Qualms, feel free to comment. Pereirab04 (talk) 04:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Stadium Name
The Stadium is called the Etihad Stadium now, not the City of Manchester.
Protection
As a result of a number of registered users not heeding the request above, and constant reversions, I've now protected the article. Please use the {{editrequest}} template to make requests. When the deal is actually confirmed, it can be unprotected. I'll try to keep an eye on the sports news, and I'll unprotect if I'm around, otherwise request at WP:RPP. Thanks. GedUK 12:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Management Team
Adam Sadler was appointed the Under-18 coach to work with Scott Sellars. [1] 184.147.215.27 (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
32 shirt
Programme error lists reserve goalie in Tevez’s shirt. http://www.euronews.net/sport/1139705-tevezs-no32-shirt-allocated-to-reserve-goalie/
No one PL footballer can change his shirt number during the season. Cancel that edit please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.244.4.131 (talk) 03:31, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Academy
"The academy is one of the most revered in the country..."
"Revered"? Is there anything to back up this claim? It would appear to contravene "Neutral point of view" and "Verifiability", two of Wikipedia's three core content policies. --Tarquin Q. Zanzibar 09:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by El Badboy! (talk • contribs)
Squad table format
A discussion is being held here on the possibility of rolling out a new squad template. The new template, named {{football squad player2}}, differs from the standard squad layout in several ways:
- It features a sort function
- Comes in a single column format that can be understood by screen readers.
- Single column format ensures that low resolution browsers, including mobile devices, do not get part or all of the second column cut off.
- Single column format ensures less clutter, particularly at lower resolutions, for wide sections such as the Arsenal loan section.
- It gives nationality its own column; at present flags are featured in a blank, untitled column
- It complies with Wikipedia's guidance on flag usage.
- It leaves enough space to add images of current players, an example of which can be seen at Watford F.C#Current squad.
It is proposed that the new template be added to some of Wikipedia's most high-profile club articles, which might include Manchester City F.C.. To give your thoughts, please read and contribute to the discussion at WikiProject Football.
Regards, —WFC— 00:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 16 May 2012
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Please change 2011–12 Premier League, 20th (relegated) to 2011–12 Premier League, 1st (Champions)
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Edit request on 16 May 2012
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Please remove vandalism in the article (picture caption: "Manchester City fans invade the pitch following their 2011–12 Premier League title win, proving that they are a small club who indulge in all the success they can get.") and update with current information. Also get rid of the biased, bitter and pathetic editor responsible :)
88.110.15.98 (talk) 02:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 4 June 2012
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There is an alternative view about how Manchester City Started this was featured in the radio 4 programme women's hour 26th march 2012 . Given the level of research and quality assurance checks that goes into BBC programmes before they are broadcast it might be worth adding a short piece in the introduction with a link to the shows page so readers can make up their own minds about MCFC origins
The Blue half of Manchester owes a great debt to a vicar’s daughter called Anna Connell. She’s believed to be the only woman in the world to have founded a football club - Manchester City in 1880. She wanted to give local men something to do, to keep them out of trouble and crucially, out of the pub. When she started the team they would play on a scruffy bit of derelict land.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/04/2010_12_fri.shtml
78.144.149.66 (talk) 18:50, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
- Can you suggest some specific text that could be added to the article? --NeilN talk to me 19:31, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I'm not sure this show, which is basically a panel show, can be regarded as reliable Mdann52 (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- The Woman's Hour programme in question originally aired in 2007. Research done since that programme suggests Connell's role had previously been overstated. There's a forum post about this exact subject here, made by Gary James, one of the historians interviewed on the programme. Quoting from that, he says "Since the programme was originally aired, I have carried out much more research into this period. As have other City historians like Paul Toovey. Both Toovey and I are agreed that Anna Connell is not the main spark in the creation of the football club, and that the roots of the club go back to the cricket club, around 5 years before Anna organised the Working Men's meetings (that we originally thought led to the creation of the football club) "
- The most up to date sources on the issue are James' book Manchester: A Football History (1st edition 2008, 2nd edition 2010) and Paul Toovey's The Birth of the Blues (2009). Oldelpaso (talk) 16:29, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
lead
The plea "This section is meant to be just a summary of Manchester City F.C. Please do not add too much detail." seems to have been honoured more in the breach recently.
The second para on the exact origins of the club in East Manchester belonged in the history section rather than taking up a third of the lead.
The third para suffered from fan tone, POV and recentism ("tumultuous", "top class players", the details of the last match of last season). And the substitution of "hundreds of millions of pounds" with just "millions of pounds" completely removed the notablilty of the Abu Dhabi United Group's spending since they took the club over. Haldraper (talk) 15:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
ABDISLAM IBRAHIM IS ON LOAN TO STRØMSGODSET IN NORWAY. sorry, but i dont understand wikipedia. source: http://www.godset.no/latest-news/article/iafaw8me2o361a35xd05cu4zn/title/abdi-rett-inn-i-troppen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.151.23 (talk) 12:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Tone
Much of the article reads like it's taken verbatim from a fan's yearbook. It is certainly not right for this article. Mongoletsi (talk) 15:07, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
- I've made a few edits in an attempt to alleviate this. Has this resolved your concerns? If not, what specific parts do you view as problematic? Oldelpaso (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Kit Color Change Request
Manchester City have launched a new kit so it would be appropiate adding this to the kit colors this will be used as a Euro Away Kit http://shop.mcfc.co.uk/stores/mancity/products/kit_selector.aspx?selectorid=310
(Z2A (talk) 08:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC))
Edit request on 25 September 2012
Matt94Rob (talk) 22:33, 25 September 2012 (UTC) I believe Pablo Zabaleta should be shown as vice-captain going off his appearances this and last season, and also with Micah Richards long injury spell yet to end?
- The club has no specifically nominated vice-captain, so I've removed that from Richards. Since Kompany became captain, he has been deputised by any one of Kolo Toure, Richards or Zabaleta with no obvious hierarchy in place. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:03, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
hi my name is dodi(hdodidwihandoko@gmail.com) My purpose is to send a message to site MCFC is I want to work on the Etihad Stadium as cleaning service.begitu difficult and corrupt country makes the difficulty to get a job in my country..pleasee help me and my son. 125.166.32.186 (talk) 10:19, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 14 January 2013
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Manchester City owners son is Nur-Eddin Khaldoon Saleh. Nur-Eddin Saleh is professional Palestinian footballer and has made 231 appearances for Manchester City. 108.248.158.195 (talk) 00:40, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pol430 talk to me 23:21, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 14 January 2013
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NurEddin Saleh has signed with the citizens, Manchester city 108.248.158.195 (talk) 00:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pol430 talk to me 23:23, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Typo
Hi, the article has a typo to be fixed: charage --> charge. I would have done it myself, but the "edit" tab does not show... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Litmaath (talk • contribs) 16:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
No mention of "Man City" in this article?
Just wondering why there is no mention of the very common term "Man City" (although it appears in 14 of the references at the bottom of the page and about 38,000,000 pages indexed by Google).
Are some fans offended by the term "Man City" as some seem to be by "Man U"? Facts707 (talk) 04:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
- It is not a pejorative term, but if it was used in conversation in Manchester it would sound incongruous. It sometimes gets used in songs where the rhythm requires three syllables (We're the famous Man City and we're going to Wembley etc.) But written usage tends to be restricted to league tables with restricted column width, and in headlines when space is at a premium (The BBC is probably the most prominent non-tabloid source to do this, but never uses it in the actual article text).
- As an encyclopedia we should stick to formal language, and should shy away from informal abbreviations. From a quick check there's no "Man United" in Manchester United F.C. or "Sheff Wed" in Sheffield Wednesday F.C., for example. Oldelpaso (talk) 13:34, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've never heard any City fans offended by it, but personally I take pride that within the M60 we can just say "City" and people will know who we mean. Actually, I'd be happy with a half-sentence stating that "Man City" is commonly used. However, the only suitable place, where this wouldn't interrupt the flow of the article, is the very first sentence, and I don't think it's important enough to be there. (Incidentally, I was amused to hear of a fan in California who had the number plate "Man City" but found the locals mistook this for a gay bar). (Chorleypie (talk) 14:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC))
Edit request on 7 October 2013
In the history of the team section, at the bottom where Manuel Pellegrini's arrival is explained, it says one of the plays he brought in was Javi Garcia. This needs to be fixed as Garcia was a 2012 summer signing by Mancini. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.172.43.228 (talk) 09:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and re-written the last few paragraphs entirely, let alone removing Garcia. You're right, he shouldn't have been there, and to be honest I'd meant to remove him a while back, but honestly there's no reason whatsoever why a list of transfers should be in the history section. They aren't notable with respect to City's overall history, they're only notable with respect to City's history in the last 12 months, so they shouldn't be there. I've restructured the stuff about the last 3 or 4 seasons so it looks much more like the kind of history you'd expect to read about an event 50 years or more after it had happened, which is really how a history section should always read. Falastur2 Talk 12:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Edit Request May 21, 2013
In the top flight/ premier league section, 2012-2013 should be added to the runner up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.84.246.22 (talk) 13:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Inter-Cities Fairs Cup results at Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation
Winning a European trophy and a domestic trophy in the same season. ==
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Replace "second English team to win a European trophy and a domestic trophy in the same season" with "first English team to win a European trophy and a domestic trophy in the same season"
It is claimed that Leeds United were the first english team, by winning the Fairs Cup and the League Cup in 1967/68. But the second leg of final of the Fairs Cup was played in the 1968/69 season. TBlue Roots (talk) 15:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)his means that Manchester City were the first English team to win a European trophy and a domestic trophy in the SAME season. Blue Roots (talk) 15:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There should be news articles which point out this fact. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- It still counts as a trophy win in the 1967-68 season though. Every source showing lists of European trophy winners by season rates the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup winner as winning for the season in which they played 95% of their games in the competition. Heck, if we followed the logic that then the ICFC would have had two winners in the 1968-69 season, which just patently makes no sense. Falastur2 Talk 19:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Incorrect amendment in opening paragraph
Towards the end of the opening paragraph the text has been amended from 'won' the premier league to 'bought' the premier league. I can only presume this was edited in a malicious nature toward the club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.173.96 (talk) 17:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Done. Trolls will be trolls. Falastur2 Talk 18:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Edit request on 10th January 2014
There is a false template for ADUG. This is a company name setup by Sheikh Mansour for the express purpose of purchasing Manchester City PLC. It has no other business, activities of investments of any kind that can be found. The source listed for Bloomberg falsely lists information, that apparently Al-Fahim is the owner of ADUG whilst Sheikh Mansour just works there. These are both things known to be false. Red Football Ltd doesn't have a Wikipedia page though it is officially the company that owns Man United so I don't see why ADUG is notable. It was also confirmed by Ferran Soriano today in his NYCFC press conference that The City Football Group is the umbrella which both are under. ADUG isn't a proper entity as far as anyone can tell from any reliable source. Pamsunch (talk) 18:43, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- Eh, yes and no. I kind of agree that the article and navbox serve no purpose, and I already trimmed a few things which definitely had no place there from it. City Football Group is not the company which owns MCFC, though. CFG is registered in Manchester as of last year, with an annual income of £100 according to company listings. That won't be their actual profits, that's just a token figure put through their account because they see no income or expenditure, and only exist as a board-level tool. CFG more likely just exists as a way of binding together all of the various companies via which MCFC operates (for example, players are actually signed to a totally different company, and the ticket staff, City Store workers etc are employed by a totally different company, all under MCFC control but not actual MCFC itself). ADUG, however, actually owns all of the accounts, and makes all of the money. So ADUG does own City. It simply doesn't need a navbox, is all. Falastur2 Talk 19:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Making up history to make you 13 year old "fans" look good? This whole article is reportert as fake, delete it.
- Bwahahaha. Someone feeling sore after Tuesday? I've had a pretty slow day at work, thanks for cheering me up. Falastur2 Talk 18:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2014
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Reece aw area is no longer at the club 86.147.17.149 (talk) 10:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. (t) Josve05a (c) 18:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
- Done. Wabara had his contract paid out in April. I'm not sure why I didn't pick this up earlier. Source Falastur2 Talk 12:16, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Edit Request July 24, 2014
Bruno Zuculini should be added to Manchester City's first team squad. He just played his first game with the city first team, a pre-season friendly with SKC on July 23. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohin95 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
- If he remains with the first team squad into the new year then he will be. However, every season City traditionally gives a run-out to several youth players who they have no intention of then playing during the actual season, and Zuculini could easily be one of these players. The overwhelming body of evidence on the internet is that he's going to be sent for the entire season on loan to a La Liga side, and until we know that that isn't happening we shouldn't be calling him a first team player. Falastur2 Talk 16:33, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2015
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Players on loan : Matija Nastasic is no longer a Manchester City player. His release clause has been activated by Schalke 04 who have now acquired him on a permanent deal.
Roystaa (talk) 11:07, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Done I've removed him from the article after finding this source. In future, please provide sources when making edit requests. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 11:15, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2015
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You need to update the club badge, which officially changed on 26th December. The new badge can be found here ... http://pimpandhost.com/image/50291122-original.html which is in transparent background png format. Davidgates1960 (talk) 16:18, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- According to the official Manchester City site, the new badge does not launch until the summer of 2016. JMHamo (talk) 17:57, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2016
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Change the old Manchester City logo to the new logo. 2A02:FE0:C430:82B1:F013:889:6CE4:D953 (talk) 22:34, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- I would personally prefer to wait until the logo is officially unveiled on Sunday. Falastur2 Talk 22:58, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Not done for now: per Falastur2 — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Rösler
At the time Rösler was voted "Player of the year", the German unifiction already was in effect for 4 years, so the flag in front of his name should be changed, even thouh he was born in East Germany and played for them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.100.229.12 (talk) 09:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- It's a slightly awkward issue. At the end of the day, Wikipedia considers national identity for players to be based on the country they declare themselves for. That technically makes Rosler an East German. It's a matter of debate as to what happens to Wikipedia nationality once a country ceases to exist. Falastur2 Talk 22:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Rösler did not declare to be of east german national identity in 1994/1995. What a stupid argument. You took the wrong flag. Maybe just some funny troll. 77.3.129.131 (talk) 16:59, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
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Please change the website from www.mcfc.co.uk to www.mancity.com as we have relaunced the website under this primary domain. - ManCityDigital Mrsanj (talk) 18:49, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Much as I don't like the rebrand to Man City, done. Falastur2 Talk 20:01, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Could the crest be updated to this higher res version https://postimg.org/image/n32sks075/ - it should look better on retina screens too. - ManCityDigital Mrsanj (talk) 19:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- The problem is that the logo is copyrighted and as a result any use of it at all is questionable. Wikipedia allows the uploading and use of such non-free use images on certain conditions, and one of those conditions is that a low-res image is used. For that reason, unfortunately no we can't use that version. Falastur2 Talk 19:59, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: per above. nyuszika7h (talk) 20:25, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Pep Guardiola
The page seems to be outdated as it had been nearly 3 months since Pep Guardiola was appointed as manager Maz004 (talk) 16:18, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
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On loan Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.
No. Position Player 27 England MF Patrick Roberts (at Celtic until 30 June 2017) 33 Brazil FW Gabriel Jesus (at Palmeiras until 31 December 2016) No. Position Player _ Australia MF Aaron Mooy (at Huddersfield Town until 30 June 2017) — Colombia MF Marlos Moreno (at Deportivo La Coruña until 30 June 2017)
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The history section is not updated. I had earlier added a request to update it but got no response. It has been over 3 months since the appointment of Pep Guardiola as the new manager but it is not updated http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/37144723 Maz004 (talk) 15:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- The history section is already far too overfilled anyway. It's not meant to be a point-by-point breakdown of the club's actions to the smallest detail, it's supposed to be an introductory section which leads you to read the actual history articles but right now there's a ridiculous imbalance towards recent events, which are only a very small part of the club's history. The first five paragraphs represent the correct amount of detail we should be using but after the fifth paragraph, when it gets to 1998, the entire section just goes crazy.
- Guardiola may be the greatest manager in football right now, but his appointment alone is not worthy of inclusion. If (when) he wins a series of trophies, or changes English tactics forever, or does something similarly truly special, he will deserve to be written in there, but managers are not on their own worthy of inclusion in what should be a brief introductory passage covering almost 140 years of history. Falastur2 Talk 20:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
On loan squad numbers
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This table is in the article under 'On loan'. Given that none of these players, except Roberts, have ever played for Man City, where are these squad numbers coming from? OZOO 14:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Update content
Time to add some of the youth players to the first team squad - Angus Gunn, Pablo Maffeo, Angelino, Tosin Adarabioyo and Aleix Garcia will no longer play EDS games and will only be in the senior squad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.71.253 (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Aveek Vaidya is a new player in the youth academy. Dodeal00 (talk) 15:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- not until the summer ; Pellegrini remains til then.TomHennell (talk) 17:44, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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To add 202.166.205.111 (talk) 07:48, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Not done as you have not made a request - Arjayay (talk) 09:31, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
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Aveek Vaidya is a new player
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Zabaleta's vice captaincy in Kompany's absence
http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2016/09/15/manchester-city-captain-pablo-zabaleta-insists-celtic-not-weakest-link-champions-league/ Alexis Ivanov (talk) 00:10, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Pbradbury: "The former Barnsley player has started all seven of Pep Guardiola's games as City boss, which have all been victories. And he wants to go on to wear the captain's armband, which is currently worn by Vincent Kompany with Pablo Zabaleta as vice-captain." Alexis Ivanov (talk) 23:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- A vote also occurred that has been reported by some outlets Alexis Ivanov (talk) 23:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Irrelevant. Vice-captains should not be recorded. If they aren't the full captain (of whom there can only be one) then it shouldn't be listed. Falastur2 Talk 23:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- How is it irrelevant. Vice-captains should always be recorded, how would users know who is leading the team while the captain is missing, Pep Guardiola clearly assigned the capacitancy to another player while Kompany is out, why censor such vital information of the first squad. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:30, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Alexis Ivanov: Man City does not have a position of "vice captain". They have a club captain and for any given game an on field captain. If you look at the source given for the team here the position of club captain is marked, however there is nothing listing a vice captain. A passing reference in an online article is not really a substantive indication otherwise. It is also not updated (where as the source I listed and the one that is used in the article is, regularly. I would ask that you revert your edit please. Paul Bradbury 19:09, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
- How is it irrelevant. Vice-captains should always be recorded, how would users know who is leading the team while the captain is missing, Pep Guardiola clearly assigned the capacitancy to another player while Kompany is out, why censor such vital information of the first squad. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:30, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
- If anything I'd say that the fact that Pep held a vote to decide the captain in Kompany's absence actually weakens the case - it makes it clear that the position was designed to be a purely temporary, needs-must appointment, which sounds like the opposite of an official Vice-Captain appointment to me. It also sounds like the kind of thing which could be changed at any point based on another unofficial vote. Falastur2 Talk 19:21, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
- It doesn't weaken it nor strengthen it, it is how Pep deals with the team he has at the moment. Also when did the official Man City site been considered a gospel? If Zabaleta has the captaincy and the website failed to report it, it's on them not on us the editors. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 21:42, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Pbradbury: also with your logic Real Madrid and Barcelona don't have vice-captains and 3rd captains and even 4th captain. Because they failed to establish in their webpage. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
- It seems Barcelona do mention their vice-captains, even if bradburry was right, shouldn't there still be someone holding the UN-official titled not acknowledged by Man City. It doesn't have to be an official vice-captaincy initiated by the club in their official page. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:04, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
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Money City (talk) 20:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
- Ermm...what exactly is it that you want to be changed? Falastur2 Talk 22:19, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
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Please can Angus Gunn be linked to his own page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Gunn_(footballer,_born_1996) CalumandersonSSS (talk) 12:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Done - Thanks for the suggestion - Arjayay (talk) 12:25, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Ground or Stadium?
Hi! In the infobox it states that City's ground is the City of Manchester Stadium. Shouldn't the City of Manchester Stadium be City's stadium instead of ground? I'm not sure if it's a mistake, just a British English thing or something completely different (I'm Canadian so I'm not 100% sure). Jith12 (talk) 23:09, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Jith12: Sorry for the slow response - I don't always check Talk pages. In British English, "ground" is an acceptable word to describe a stadium of any sports team. It's usually used for clubs with a small home venue which is (by unwritten convention) not deemed deserving of the title "stadium" but can be used in common parlance for any sports (though generally football) venue all the same. In this instance I think it's just been used (probably by myself, if I check when that passage was written) for variety. Falastur2 Talk 17:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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add more information about recent events 96.89.227.213 (talk) 17:42, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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References to mcfc.co.uk are incorrect. The club's website is now https://www.mancity.com this means that a number of the mcfc.co.uk links exhibit 404 errors or redirect to top-level categories as the page cited no longer exists. I would like to update all these listings, to list the correct page on https://www.mancity.com. Georginablue25 (talk) 16:02, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- as this request was your tenth edit, and your account was created in 2016, your account should now be WP:AUTOCONFIRMED - so you should be able to do this without any additional permissions. - Arjayay (talk) 16:53, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
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Manchester City has won Uefa Champions League 2017-2018 Alex1999882 (talk) 13:56, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
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I want to be an editor Ppbest12 (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
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Update info
Update info...like nicknames like sharkteam etc Rakshithj (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- Generally, the nicknames are supposed to reflect long-term associations made across a range of media and commonly accepted from top to bottom. The section isn't there for adding short-term things which are really only a thing on Twitter and likely won't still be in common usage in a year's time, or at the very least is unlikely to last far beyond when Mendy leaves the club, even if he stays until he's 40. The "Shark Team" nickname would have to get a whole lot more accepted usage before it's a serious candidate for inclusion here. Falastur2 Talk 18:16, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
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I have been a Manchester City supporter since the glory days (about 50 years) and would like to add some inside knowledge to this website. Harperpestinger (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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Is or Are?
@Falastur2 and Harfarhs: Gentlemen. I can't see the inconsistency being "unbearable", but it's certainly intriguing. I'm afraid some sources, especially American ones, do refer to clubs in the singular. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/sports/soccer/manchester-city-beats-manchester-united.html To a Briton, the sentence "Not that City was perfect" is, to say the least, jarring. I think the best way to put it is to say that it has become a convention to refer to clubs in the plural. It might not be correct, but it's normal practice. A BBC sport bulletin would begin, "Manchester City are top of the Premier League." On the other hand, you just might hear, "The club says it will appeal against the red card."
I've been watching City, and talking about them, for over 60 years. It hasn't all been plain sailing, by any means. There have been times when the club were in danger of folding. Or should that be "was in danger"? I would have to stop and think, or listen to a recording of myself, to be sure whether and in what circumstances I say "is" or "are". The article may be inconsistent, but I think we have to live with it. Perhaps a footnote to that effect might be included in all articles about sports teams, for the benefit of non-native English speakers. Hengistmate (talk) 08:52, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for pinging. As I had hoped my edit summaries would show, I'm not against such articles using both singular and plural, but I advocate using the singular when speaking of the corporate body, and the plural when speaking of the team. That was the rationale I was using when I made my reverted changes. In discussing the reverts, I would state that Wikipedia does not rely on the _variety of language_ used in its sources to _create_ the language of articles; articles are in formal English (albeit of the local variety related to the article) and that, therefore, appealing to the particular usage of journalistic sources does not carry much weight. One might see, for example, Sheffield Wednesday F.C. for an example of an article that shows using singular and plural in this way need not be difficult, inelegant, or imprecise. Harfarhs (talk) 09:14, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid I can't agree. For several examples, google "manchester city fined fifa", and see what comes up. Manchester City - clearly the corporate body and not the team - have been fined, etc. Quite when and how to make the transition, I'm not certain. It's rather like that awkward moment when the TV weatherman/woman has to stop addressing the anchor and turn to face the camera. In this case of "is" abd "are", the rule seems to be "If you have to ask, you'll never know." The only thing that is certain is that Manchester United are ****. Good luck. Hengistmate (talk) 12:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
My thoughts on this topic are as follows:
- In general in find myself a stickler for the rules, including the rules of grammar, however only when that does not clash with how the regular reader will perceive a phrase. As Hengistmate said, in 99% of cases we will refer to a club as the team (i.e. as the plural) and therefore it just sounds weird on the ear to use singular when the common (wo)man would expect to hear the plural. I'm not sure that there are a definable set of rules which can be written down to say when the singular can actually be used, although as virtually every club article starts "<Manchester City> is an association football club etc etc etc" then that one clearly is one of the examples. Simply put, my thoughts are that if the reader finds the language jarring then their engagement with the article is reduced, they are less likely to read on and the substance of the article is devalued, not to mention that you increase the chance of the next user stopping reading after two paragraphs to edit the phrase back to what they think it should be, and the whole topic is reignited.
- Per the comment about Sheffield Wednesday: for the record, I often put a lot more thought into the reverts I make than some people might think. This is especially the case where I am reverting to put back in place a revert I previously made. In this instance, I actually read the lead section of every Premier League team article on Wikipedia before responding, and what I found is that (aside from the fact that virtually all of them match the grammar usage here), the very, very small handful which don't - as with the Sheffield Wednesday article - then the reason they get away with this is not because of sticking to the club/team distinction but because the author has instead assiduously replaced the majority of times when "they" or "it" might have been used with the case-neutral "the club", or "the team". This works as a clever language trick to avoid an issue for a while, but it's also a very limited thing, and after about three sentences the mind tires of hearing the same word being used over and over, in the same way that the mind gets annoyed if it reads the same noun/adjective/verb being used continually (for example "The strength of the strongest team was just too strong for their less-strong opponent"). Therefore, this really isn't a viable solution on anything beyond a few sentences.
- So far I have noticed that the scope of this debate has never really strayed from just looking at the leading section of this article. Supposing we were to take the singular/plural split, I would be looking to establish whether the same change will be deployed in the rest of this article (such as the History section, which heavily favours "they" and "their" still, and as a wider subject the many other articles on English football teams, since this should surely affect all of them as well?
Just throwing those out there. That was pretty much my perspective when I got involved before. Falastur2 Talk 14:19, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
"The Wembley of the North"?
I've never heard that term used in connection with Maine Road. I have always understood that it was a sobriquet bestowed on Vale Park. Hengistmate (talk) 20:32, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Different eras I think. The phrase is very much a journalistic cliche; but I Maine Road was probably the first stadium to which it was applied. After WWII it was indeed applied to the, never-realised, plans for Vale Park. In the late 1960s, I certainly remember its being use of Hillsborough. On all of this, see Simon Inglis. TomHennell (talk) 00:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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In the management hierarchy section the U21 GK coach should read Andy Mulliner and I have been in this role has since 8/12/15, when David Felgate left Manchester City FC. Also Lee Carsley and Gareth Whalley are no longer the U18 Manager and Assistant these roles are now occupied by Gareth Taylor (Team Manager) John Mullin (Assistant Manager)and have been since July 2017. Amulliner (talk) 22:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Changes made. Happy to make these changes as they confirmed some things I thought I'd read a while back about coaching changes, and I'd just never gotten round to actually following through. Hope I got the flags right (and linked the right John Mullin article). Thanks for the information, Andy. Falastur2 Talk 22:31, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2018
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Aguero has scored 197 goals Akazi.10 (talk) 19:46, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 20:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2018
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I have always preferred the way that infoboxes (or sidebars) look for NFL teams. I don't know if the current format is a standard that all FA teams have to follow (very doubtful) or if there's just a gentlemen's agreement among the editors of football pages to make sure they look the same. But I would like it if when I visited the MCFC page that the main info bar had a quick breakdown of years we have won Premier League Title, FA Cup, and EFL Cup. All of this info could go directly below the previous season's finish. For an example of what I'm talking about, visit any NFL team's page. Shoot, even the Browns have championships listed. KnowledgelsPower (talk) 20:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: There is an agreed style for all football clubs - you can see the page describing the layout here. Most specifically your request would involve substantial amendments to this template, which is not a minor change to make and can only be done by an administrator anyway due to edit protection on the page. If you really want this update you can request it on the relevant talk page but it's quite a drastic change so I'm not sure whether it would be accepted. Falastur2 Talk 20:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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change City of Manchester Stadium to Etihad Stadium 85.211.242.209 (talk) 13:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
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Other Manchester City players with first-team appearances
Seriously, why do we keep adding this back? The players currently listed are not currently part of the first team, have no impact on the current season, the loan players should be moved into the loan player section. That would leave two in this stupid non-notable list. Can we please remove it. Govvy (talk) 06:31, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed that it is unclear why there are 'loaned' players in this section, rather than in the section previous; maybe someone can enlighten me as to the distinction? But should we then move the other two up into the 'first team squad' section? Tom Dele-Bashiru, to be specific, has played in a first team competitive fixture this season; so I think he as to be included somewhere. TomHennell (talk) 08:56, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- There isn't a clear guideline that I can see on what constitutes a club's first team. The club list the five players currently in the section (Celina, Barker, Dele-Bashiru, M. García, and Humphreys) under the EDS page; I think it would be inappropriate for Wikipedia to decide – in the seeming absence of a clear consensus on what constitutes a first team player – to overrule sources on this. OZOO (t) (c) 11:02, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- most informative OZOO; but not clear from the page itself. Maybe if the section were retitled as 'EDS squad players with First Team experience"? TomHennell (talk) 12:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well all those academy players with issued numbers have been registered to play first team football. If there is no number they can't play in the first team. If anything I would separate the first team, then a second section of the academy players register to play first team for that season. Not this stupid list of players that have played one game from said year! Govvy (talk) 21:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- most informative OZOO; but not clear from the page itself. Maybe if the section were retitled as 'EDS squad players with First Team experience"? TomHennell (talk) 12:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- You will have to forgive me; but I can't see how that would be any better. A simple split between players at the club, and those o out on loan (as per the programme). That would do me. TomHennell (talk) 22:18, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- Same, and the academy players should remain on academy page in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- You will have to forgive me; but I can't see how that would be any better. A simple split between players at the club, and those o out on loan (as per the programme). That would do me. TomHennell (talk) 22:18, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- Everyone who has played should be listed on this page; as I say just like in the programme, the current on-loan players separately. Those in the academy should also be on that page (maybe that is what you are saying too Govvy?). TomHennell (talk) 08:35, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- The trouble with saying "academy players with issued numbers" is that Man City issue numbers down to #91; so that clearly can't be a guide to who is and isn't first team. OZOO (t) (c) 11:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- I am not aware of any MCFC listing that identifies a 'first team' squad; only a Men's squad, an EDS squad and an Academy squad. Both the Men's squad and the EDS squad mix players currently at the club with players on loan. I am proposing that we ignore the Men's/EDS/Academy designations; and simply provide two lists, of players at the club, and players on loan - cited in both instances from the latest published programme with the squad numbers from there. TomHennell (talk) 13:22, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yep, just stick to first team and loans. Keep the academy players on the academy page. Govvy (talk) 16:44, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- I really don't understand the need for change. This section has been a part of this page for several years without issue. Why are you suggesting change for changes sake? If a player is currently employed by Manchester City, and has represented the first team squad, they should appear on this page in my opinion. The key source (mancity.com), clearly lists the 1st Team Squad, and includes players out on loan. The players in this section are not listed as 1st team players in the key source so moving them into the main squad section would be inappropriate in my opinion. Manchestercarl (talk) 09:34, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Two years is not several years, first teams are chopped and changed all the time. Players should be sorted into the squads they are in. Listing player the way you are doing in it's own section, they are either in one squad or another. No other article does this like that, it's not even updated or correct. The loans should be in the loan list and academy players should be on academy page. Govvy (talk) 09:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- What makes you think it is not updated or correct? As far as I can see it is 100% accurate, and includes a player who made his debut this season, so therefore it must be being updated! Manchestercarl (talk) 12:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- I am still not clear what you are proposing Govvy. Are you suggesting that the two academy squad players who have played for the first team should appear in two articles - in the first team squad on this page, and also on the academy page? In which case I would agree. Or are you suggesting that these two players should have their first team experience only recorded on the academy page? Which in my view would be problematic; as the first team appearances of these two players are listed with the rest of the first team squad (without differentiation) in the official matchday programme. Anyone coming to the page should be able to find out easily a list of all the players currnently on the club's books who have first team experience; and the nature of that experience. Which is what the programme listing provides (while the official website does not). TomHennell (talk) 10:04, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
I seriously give up, you clearly want to list the non-notable Man City academy players on the main page, regardless or MoS-Squad. Breaking all the rules, ye go Man City. Govvy (talk) 10:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- No; I don't want the Wikipedia page to be inconsistent with the club's official programme listing of players with first team experience. That is the surely primary authority for any such citation? TomHennell (talk) 10:34, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- WP:PRIMARY, It's often pointed to use secondary sources and not primary where possible. Govvy (talk) 10:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- You are confusing 'primary sources' with 'primary authorities'. A primary source for whether a particular player had played in a first team game would be the following day's newspaper report. The primary authority is the published club matchday programme series (as required by FA rules). Club website player biographies cannot be primary authorities; though they may well be primary sources. TomHennell (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Halls of Fame
I am not sure but I don't think you those tables should be collapsable, Govvy (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Second and third kits gone from infobox
It's still relevant information till the start of next season, why have the kits been removed? Can't see where to restore it from. Govvy (talk) 11:45, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Govvy: They were removed in this edit. Falastur2 Talk 15:01, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Nickname
Do Man City fans really call themselves the Sky Blues?
As a Coventry fan, I can confirm that we see that as our one and only nickname. Yes, we probably copied your kit 40-odd years ago, but The Sky Blues has been our nickname for decades.
Every Man City fan I’ve met has always referred to you guys as ‘City’. Which is pretty perfect.
So, can I ask that you remove Sky Blues from your list of nicknames? Tbh, in our current situation, a nickname is about all we have left!
P Paulmullen16 (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- City fans don't, but then City fans also generally detest the name "Citizens" too despite the media forcing it upon us. Similarly, the media frequently refers to the team as "the sky blues". Take this google search - where I even specifically omitted the term "Coventry" just in case of some confusion between the two in an article, and you still get 124,000 hits, many of which news articles from the season just ended. Falastur2 Talk 22:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think "City" should be in the nicknames bit in the infobox, this is generally a chant used and not a nickname for the club. It's just a knocked down version of the main name. A nickname should have a derivative history. Govvy (talk) 11:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2018
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Jose Cabello - Fitness Coach works at West Ham United, not MCFC. EDS/U21 Assistant Manager - Ben Wilkinson U18 Assistant Manager - Carlos Vicens U18 Goalkeeping Coach - Max Johnson 86.182.234.238 (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2018
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Hello guys. Since Arijanet Muriqi has switched his allegiance and wants to represent Kosovo (Source: http://www.ffk-kosova.com/federata/2018/08/26/portieri-arjanet-muriqi-i-man-city-t-i-bashkohet-kombetares-a/) Can we please change his flag from -MNE- to -KOS-..?! Kosovanfooty (talk) 06:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.
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- Not done for now: MOS:SPORTFLAGS says that flags used should signal the nation the player represented. As of now, Muric has only represented Montenegro U21. If and when he is called up to the Kosovar team, then the flag will be changed. OZOO (t) (c) 07:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Der Speigel & the football leaks =
The article should of course include the football leaks stories originally published by German paper Der Speigel. the allegations are serious. Been covered by various other media. So I think it will fit all Wikipedia notability guidelines. DoctorHver (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
btw: Here is an example of what their trophies room should actually look like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchester_City_F.C.&oldid=868663334DoctorHver (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- What on Earth are you talking about? You haven't linked to any source and all I see is you vandalising the article. Also you should verify information instead of getting sucked into fake news. Govvy (talk) 18:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2018
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Please add the nickname "Shark Team" for the teams nickname part.Because it's been quite popular name to be called by the team's fan for 2 seasons now. Here's a link : https://plus.google.com/u/2/photos/photo/113768240468999316370/6628486053942997714?authkey=CJ-S38yfsKXlKw Arian Karim (talk) 10:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- Not done. One random person's social media post is not a reliable source. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2019
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I believe it is missing an important thing about their tactics JimmyTimmy123456789 (talk) 10:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2019
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Change BASED IN MANCHESTER to BASED IN BRADFORD, GREATER MANCHESTER 92.13.66.2 (talk) 22:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2019
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The Manchester City supporters also call themselves the Boys in Blue. Adin.ba (talk) 07:10, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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Gabriel Jesus number change to no.9 Verfied by man city twitter page https://twitter.com/ManCity/status/1142417186474090496 AbzAce1 (talk) 13:17, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Already done NiciVampireHeart 20:46, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
An update required
The page lists the following, under honors, doubles, incorrectly.....
Doubles and Trebles Doubles League and EFL Cup (2): 2013–14, 2017–18
HOWEVER - Many City also won the league and league cup in the 2018-19 season, doing another double
If you do a treble - you factually do a double. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.111.22.10 (talk) 15:01, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Recording the treble as a double too is a redundancy. It should be obvious, and it's too much use of space. You'd actually have to record it as three separate doubles - league and FA cup, league and league cup, fa cup and league cup, and that's just going too far. Falastur2 Talk 19:06, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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Revert to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchester_City_F.C.&oldid=940627752 to undo damage done by Unitedman97. See comparisons at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchester_City_F.C.&type=revision&diff=940802056&oldid=940627752
- Done by another user. MadGuy7023 (talk) 19:50, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020
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Change "During the 1934 cup run, Manchester City broke the record for the highest home attendance of any club in English football history, as 84,569 fans packed Maine Road for a sixth round FA Cup tie against Stoke City in 1934 – a record which still stands to this day." To "During the 1934 cup run, Manchester City broke the record for the highest home attendance of any club in English football history, as 84,569 fans packed Maine Road for a sixth round FA Cup tie against Stoke City in 1934 – a record only broken in 2016 by Tottenham in a champions league game at Wembley. Citation "https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37839379" BBC Sport. 2 November 2016. 81.2.149.121 (talk) 04:08, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Partly done: I made the change reflecting that the record was broken in 2016. The rest of the details go beyond the scope of an article about Manchester City and are easily accessible by checking the reference or the nearby link to List of record home attendances of English football clubs. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 21:15, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2020
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HarryWrld (talk) 17:33, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Please can I edit Man City wiki. (first time ever ;)
- Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2020
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In the section on the Scottish Football Hall of Fame, change KCSG to KCSG, KCSG is a radio station in the USA. 2601:643:8101:64E1:4D52:5487:14FE:8D8B (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2020
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Add Aguero as 3rd captain ( see here where he is described as supporting captain : [1] 76.103.46.252 (talk) 00:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: Aguero was described as being a vo-captain last season in that reference. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Edit request
In the Players section, on the beginning picture, change "Sané, Silva, and Delph have since left" to "Sané, Silva, Delph, and Otamendi have since left" 76.103.46.252 (talk) 21:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Wrong date for joining the League given in lead
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The article lead currently states "Manchester City entered the Football League in 1899", which should be "1892". As correctly stated elsewhere in the article, the club joined the League for the 1892–93 season, with 1899 being the date of their first promotion into the First Division. 86.144.233.185 (talk) 05:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Done Thank you for pointing that out. 1899 was their first year in L1, but they entered the league in general in 1892. TimSmit (talk) 15:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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Callumd209 (talk) 16:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Pep Fraudiola