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Tholey

While some of those sources may be usable, why not improve the article on aspects which are missing and include inline references to some of his works where relevant? A list of his works may otherwise best belong in the bibliography section of the author's article. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 19:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

@Mr. bobby: I removed the following again. This is way too many papers by the same individual without any suggestion of notability.

  • Tholey, Paul (1983). Techniques for inducing and manipulating lucid dreams. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 57, pp 79-90.
  • Tholey, Paul (1983). Relation between dream content and eye movements tested by lucid dreams. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 56, pp 875-878.
  • Tholey, Paul (1983). Cognitive abilities of dream figures in lucid dreams. Lucidity Letter, 71.
  • Tholey, Paul (1988). A model for lucidity training as a means of self-healing and psychological growth. In: J. GACKENBACH & S. LaBERGE (Eds.), Conscious mind, sleeping brain. Perspectives on lucid dreaming, pp 263-287. London: Plenum Press.
  • Tholey, Paul (1988). Overview of the German research in the field of lucid dreaming. Lucidity Letter, 7(1), pp 26-29.
  • Tholey, Paul (1989). Consciousness and abilities of dream characters observed during lucid dreaming. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 68, pp 567-578.
  • Tholey, Paul (1991). Conversation Between Stephen LaBERGE and Paul THOLEY in July of 1989. B. HOLZINGER (ed.). Lucidity, 10(1&2), 1991, pp 62-71.

You need to discuss it here per wp:BRD and get wp:consensus before restoring. Also, please use {{cite journal}} and add access information as well. Jim1138 (talk) 23:36, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

what should i discuss here? YOU should discuss your reverts. and if you do not know the work of tholey you should stop discussing the topic lucid dreaming. Mr. bobby (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
@Mr. bobby: One does not add large lists of papers to an article. Why should Tholey's articles be listed? Why is Tholey more important than others? Jim1138 (talk) 19:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
"one does not..." aha. it is original research, the basis for discussing such a topic. taught psychology in frankfurt university (germany). you deleted all this stuff, obviously not knowing anything about the topic. Mr. bobby (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
@Mr. bobby: You have failed to address the concerns of PaleoNeonate and I. wp:consensus has not been reached here. Jim1138 (talk) 20:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • @Mr. bobby: thank you for taking the time to improve the article using Tholey sources. I've noticed the addition of two apparently unused sources but that may be acceptable (versus a larger list of unused sources). This addition is also interesting as it discusses a technique similar to one which helped me increase their occurence (borrowed from a Central-American 50-70s author in this case). Thanks again, —PaleoNeonate – 22:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Additional resources

Here are some references that were removed in a citation cleanup. Hopefully they can be mined for some good info:

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-Scoundr3l (talk) 16:59, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Documentary: Waking Life

I have noticed all citations are a bit older, has anyone who has seen "Waking Life" thought of using it for information? Or maybe the people in it? MR.C.LOVE (talk) 16:23, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Peer Review Letter

The article is able to present the definition, history, and research into lucid dreaming very clearly. The article also does a good job of maintaining a neutral perspective, I was never able to find an instance of the article trying to persuade the readers to one or another viewpoint. I also thought you did a good job on the Definition subsection, it was able to clearly explain the aspects of lucid dreaming in a way that is very clear and concise, it helped make a somewhat abstract notion feel more understandable. An area for improvement in the article would be the in the alternative theories and risks subsection. The section is a bit bare bones and does not contain as many citations. Expanding this section can help the article feel more dynamic and increase its depth. For the most part, however, good job! The article is able to make the topic feel very understandable as well as give some insight into the modern uses for it. I hope to use some modern examples in an article I am working on enhancing for a class in the way you did. Thanks for reading and good job! Carlton7567 (talk) 18:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the letter. Zachprince6 (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Peer Review Letter

This article did a very good job of defining, giving the history of, and research about lucid dreaming. The article was presented in a way that was organized and easy to follow. It was a good length that included information that was important and interesting. While reading, I never felt like the author was trying to sway my opinion on lucid dreaming one way or the other. The article held an unbiased opinion and presented other opinions in the alternaive theories section. The information presented in this article was easy to understand and helped deepen my understanding of lucid dreaming in a way that helped me form my own opinion. The one improvement that I would suggest is adding more to the risks section. By doing this, it will help readers develop a deeper understand of lucid dreaming and how it can effect people. This article was great and interesting to read, overall, very good job!Hayleeelmore (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)Hayleeelmore

Thank you for the letter. Zachprince6 (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Evaluation of Article

Bookworm116 (talk) 02:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC) The nightmare section and the prevalence and frequency section contradicts each other. The nightmare section makes it sound as if lucid dreaming can cure nightmares but the prevalence and frequency section is saying that lucid dreaming tend to cause nightmares. More sources are needed to see which fact is correct.Bookworm116 (talk) 02:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. The contradiction appears to have been because of an unsourced statement which I have removed. [1] Crossroads -talk- 06:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Quotes in Etymology section

He said the seventh type, lucid dreaming, is "the most interesting and worthy of the most careful observation and study", and describes having a lucid dream as being "completely aware of your surroundings and are able to direct your actions freely, yet the sleep is stimulating and uninterrupted".

These two quotes in the etymology section are both attributed to A Study of Dreams, but I can't find the second one anywhere in the linked source. A ctrl+f search doesn't turn up the words "stimulating" or "unterrupted" at all. I had changed it to [citation needed] after the second quote, but Dreampoet (talk · contribs) changed it back. Am I just somehow missing it in Van Eeden's text? The Only Zac (talk) 02:53, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I removed that latter bit as failing WP:V. Side note: It was DreamPoet (talk · contribs) - the capitalization is important. It seems that user may have been assuming that that must also have been from there, but it isn't. Thanks for catching it. Crossroads -talk- 01:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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Adding instructions to help achieve lucid dreaming

I've had some experience with lucid dreaming. Would you mind if I added some instructions on how to achieve this? Cyanbug01 (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:NOR and WP:NOTHOWTO. I'm afraid that would be off-mission for an encyclopedia and would not meet Wikipedia's policy requirements. MrOllie (talk) 16:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Yes please. 103.79.255.231 (talk) 13:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
  1. ^ Tim Bayne; Axel Cleeremans; Patrick Wilken (4 June 2009). The Oxford Companion to Consciousness. Oxford University Press. p. 236. ISBN 978-0-19-856951-0. Retrieved 29 April 2013. Van Eeden (1913), who coined the term lucid dreaming,...
  2. ^ Allan Angoff; Betty Shapin; Parapsychology Foundation (1973). Parapsychology today: a geographic view; proceedings of an international conference, held at Le Piol, St. Paul de Vence, France, August 25–27, 1971. Parapsychology Foundation. ISBN 978-0-912328-21-8. Retrieved 29 April 2013. Best known is Frederik van Eeden (1860–1932), physician, author and poet, who became interested in psychical ... 431), wherein he coined the term "lucid dreams," that is the type of dream in which the sleeper knows that he is dreaming.
  3. ^ Pier Luigi Parmeggiani; Ricardo A. Velluti (30 December 2005). The Physiologic Nature of Sleep. Imperial College Press. p. 551. ISBN 978-1-86094-557-1. Retrieved 29 April 2013. The term was coined by Frederik van Eeden (1913).
  4. ^ New Scientist. New Science Publications. January 1990. Retrieved 29 April 2013. The term "lucid dreaming" (which isn't a very good one since it means much more than vivid or clear dreaming) was coined by Frederik van Eeden, a Dutch psychiatrist, ...
  5. ^ Psychology Today (1989). PSYCHOLOGY TODAY: APRIL 1989. Retrieved 29 April 2013. Society for Psychical Research, that the Dutch physician Frederik Willems Van Eeden wrote of having a "lucid" dream. Van Eeden may have coined the term, but it was Hugh Calloway, an English contemporary, who was the first to ...
  6. ^ Tipiti: Journal of the Society for the Anthropology of Lowland South America. Vol. 1–2. Society for the Anthropology of Lowland South America. 2003. p. 195. Retrieved 29 April 2013. The term "lucid dream" was coined by the Dutch psychotherapist Frederik van Eeden (1913), as one of the nine categories of his dream typology.
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