Talk:Live sound mixing

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POV

I've tagged this page as POV due to phrases such as

The efforts of the Front of House engineer often go unnoticed when the sound is good due to the fact that a well mixed show will sound natural to the general public and will not sound like anything is being done other than simple amplification of the music on stage, which is not at all the only thing going on.

and

It is truly a field that is often overlooked by the general public...

making it look like the work of a disgruntled sound engineer who feels underappreciated! Dancarney (talk) 12:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point though what it written is pretty much how it is. I'll try to reword so it doesn't sound disgruntled, going unnoticed is a compliment in this business just like many other services are. --PM - PhilyG ^talk 23:20, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the fact that a good sounding show goes unnoticed. I also agree that it is a compliment as I know that people often look at the sound booth when there are problems with the quality or volume of anything coming from the Front of House. I think this area could be expanded upon - thanks for being the ones to add content!! Cheers! --Buck Moore —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verbal Vic (talk • contribs) 15:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted.Jjdon (talk) 19:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Material

All I can say is wow. The intro to this article has had a lot of good info added, but it is all a jumbled mess. If you are going to add that much material, please use proper english and syntax. I could hardly figure out what some of the new sentences were trying to say. Also, I am going to have to strongly disagree with some of the statements. The biggest one is the claim that the house mix is sometimes done from the stage or from a remote control room. This almost NEVER happens as the house engineer is there to balance the mix IN THE HOUSE so he is always at least in the same room and almost always in the audience where he can properly hear. Whoever added that statement is probably getting confused by seeing the monitor engineer on stage and seeing multicore's running to remote recording trucks, none of which are dealing with the house mix. Sorry for sounding so harsh but just adding random statements here and there is how a mess like the intro to this article happens. Thanks. --PM - PhilyG ^talk 03:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's a jumbled mess and needs sorting.

About the house mix being controlled remotely; I've heard about it happening enough to merit a mention. Here's a bulletin board posting by Mac Kerr (with photos) where he talks about mixing in an enclosed booth on a different floor than the performance. His sightlines didn't cover the whole place and he certainly wasn't able to hear the PA at all. Other times where I've heard tales about mixing remotely include high profile weddings where they don't want any tech people visible, and plenty of low-level band gigs where the mixer is placed next to the stage and the same guy is mixing monitors and house from the same mixer. He/she has to run out, listen to the PA and run back to the mixer to make changes. That, or take instruction by hand signals or wireless comms from an assistant in the audience. It can get really ugly out there... not every gig commands optimum FOH placement. Binksternet (talk) 05:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea I suppose that sometimes does happen. I just had large format music concerts in mind when I was making that comment. The article you referenced does mention that mixing music from such a location would really suck, implying in my mind that he is saying that it would be impractical. The comment could be left there but it should be noted that almost all music and theatre concerts that are above the "high school gym/small wedding" level of production have a proper FOH position. I've certainly been to plenty of small town rock band concerts where the mixer is on stage with the band just running some vocal mics while the rest of the sound is coming from the drums acoustically and the amps. Perhaps there should be some sort of section in the article explaining these types of situations as opposed to bigger music/theatre productions? I am desiring this distinction because I have had many friends of mine go to large stadium/outdoor music concerts and assume that the monitor console is mixing the house sound and with this article being about live sound mixing, I think that the distinction should be clear for people who have no experience or knowledge of live sound concert audio production. Sorry about the harshness of the previous post once again. --PM - PhilyG ^talk 19:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the different mixing positions encountered should be written about and that the advantages and disadvantages of each should be made quite clear.

There are some highly paid event space architects who STILL think it is okay to put the sound guy behind glass in a booth. Perhaps 10-20% of new event spaces are installed the live sound person behind glass. WTF is that about? You'd be surprised at how many otherwise marvelous theater, auditorium and church designs are hamstrung by this kind of idiocy. Readers should know just how bad a booth is. The next step for this article is to find an expert reference about the issue.

Regarding your distinction of "sometimes happens" and "bigger" productions: Shitty FOH placement isn't limited to small time events and it happens every day for some people who are stuck at certain house gigs. I've mixed from horrible positions myself on some very high profile gigs in very fine venues. Hard to believe that certain decision makers can be so blind to the problems inherent in mixing live sound where you can't hear the PA. Now: how to write all of this encyclopedically? Binksternet (talk) 20:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh trust me I feel your pain. My experience with such happenings is probably why I got so worked up over it, haha. We'll be sure things are well represented. --PM - PhilyG ^talk 03:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Monitor Engineer Picture

Why was the Monitor Engineer pic moved to the top of the page? It is conflicting with the cleanup tag and also makes less sense, in my opinion, for it to be away from the section explaining the role of the monitor engineer. I'll move it back in a few days if no objection is raised. Thanks. --PM - PhilyG ^talk 23:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

Its the same thing. Why have two articles on it? --24.34.174.143 (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a result of the 3 way split of the Audio Mixing article. I say merge it into the new article as the new one from the split has hardly any info in it right now.--PM - PhilyG ^talk 22:41, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done DJSparky ^huh? 03:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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