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https://www.svg.com/852269/98-best-video-games-of-all-time-ranked/ Another list just a week or two later, I think this is solid. Alena 33 (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable source per WP:VG/S. λ NegativeMP1 18:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still, I think this particular list seems quite well constructed even if source is shoddy Alena 33 (talk) 19:28, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The difference is that SVG is a flat out unreliable source, unlike Screen Rant or Dexerto that are situational and can technically still be used. Unreliable sources can not be used per the reliable sources policy except in some rare circumstances (ex. as a primary source, qualified author). So no, this source can not be used on this page, even if it seems "quite well constructed" per official Wikipedia policy. λ NegativeMP1 20:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancies between omnibus data and VideoGameCanon

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I've only checked a few lists but so far I've noticed the following discrepancies:

1. Hardcore Gaming 101's Punch-Out!! entry. VideoGameCanon has this as Punch-Out!! (2009) whereas this article has it as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! I have this book (specifically, the updated version) and I can confirm that VideoGameCanon is correct: it should be for Punch-Out!! (2009).

2. Game Informer (2018). The omnibus data has 26. Super Mario World, whereas VideoGameCanon has 26. Super Mario 3D world. I can't check this myself as I don't have that issue, but, given that the the above entry is wrong, I think this should be checked.

3. Electric Playground Network (2013). The omnibus data has 38. Final Fantasy (series) whereas VideoGameCanon has it as 38. Final Fantasy VI, VII, X, and XII. I personally interpret it as being for Final Fantasy VI alone, but the video is still available so you can check for yourselves (I can't post a link here as YouTube is blocked). I wouldn't be surprised of there are other discrepancies for this list as many entries are ambiguous.

If I find any more, I will post them here. IlmeniAVG (talk) 01:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right about HG101, so I've removed it. I'm confident that our Game Informer entry is correct, but it couldn't hurt to check. Electric Playground Network's entry is actually focused on Final Fantasy III, but they also talk about VII, X, and XII ; I'd say the omnibus listing is appropriate. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 02:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that this article does not count series entries as mentions for any specific games within the series, I think it makes more sense to count Electric Playground Network's Final Fantasy entry as a mention for Final Fantasy VI (Final Fantasy III is the North American title), and perhaps some of the other mentioned games as well. This article currently does not consider Electric Playground Network to have highlighted Final Fantasy VI as one of the best games of all time. I'm not sure if I would consider it an official mention for the other highlighted games, but I think that is clearly incorrect to say that Electric Playground Network didn't mention Final Fantasy VI. IlmeniAVG (talk) 03:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since EPN's entry is about the series, I personally don't think it should be added for VI on this list (and certainly not for VII, X, or XII). – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a reasonable interpretation, though I'm still leaning in the direction of it being for VI alone. I'll quote the parts that make me think that in case anyone else want to weigh in, but I won't push it any more after this.
Scott Jones: "Final Fantasy has arrived on our list of the 100 greatest video games of all time. It is number 38, and we are specifically talking about Final Fantasy III, but we are reserving the right to also talk about VII and XII."
Victor Lucas: "I remember loving III though, for the Super Nintendo, the most..."
It's also worth mentioning that the list text shows "38. Final Fantasy III", though there's often a discrepancy between the list text and the video presentation, so I wouldn't take this as conclusive. Beyond these quotes, the presentation definitely is about the series. IlmeniAVG (talk) 04:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Phediuk, might wanna check on this... Carlinal (talk) 04:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping. I have updated the omnibus data to correct the Punch-Out!! discrepancy. The Electric Playground entry is ambiguous; the video description identifies the entry as simply "Final Fantasy", while the list graphic in the video says "Final Fantasy III". I do not have Game Informer #300 on-hand to confirm the Mario World/3D World conundrum, though I can order it online if need be. For what it's worth, I have located three different transcriptions that all place Super Mario World there, not 3D World. Also, this video, which reads the whole list from the actual magazine out loud, also says "Super Mario World" there (skip to 23:57). Phediuk (talk) 12:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think that ordering the magazine online is necessary. I'd be sceptical of just the transcriptions as it's always possible that they are copies of the same transcription rather than independent transcriptions. But the video is definitive: they are reading from the actual magazine and it's Super Mario World. Thanks for tracking that down. IlmeniAVG (talk) 13:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Phediuk Just pinging you instead of creating a new topic. I hope that's OK.
I have found some more errors in the omnibus data. First, there are a couple of issues with the Hyper (1999) list. Both Doom and Civilization should be series entries. I have a pdf of the magazine and, while it's hard to read, "Series" is visible in very light letters.
This is not technically an error, but something else that you may want to consider changing is the Warcraft entry. It is officially a series entry (the omnibus data also has it as a series entry), but the blurb reads, "The first Warcraft had potential but not a lot of sparkle. It was functional, and people played it, but it paled in the shadow of Warcraft II."
Finally, the Edge (2000) should have Gran Turismo 2 in 5th place, not Gran Turismo. Again, this is based on a pdf of the original magazine. IlmeniAVG (talk) 04:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; I checked the Hyper (1999) issue myself, and you are right that the word "series" is present for both the Doom and Civilization entries; I must have missed them the first time around due to how hard the white letters are to see against the already-light background. I have corrected the main page and the omnibus data. Good catch with Gran Turismo 2 in the Edge (2000) list, also; I have checked the issue myself and can confirm your finding. However, Warcraft is listed as a series entry in both the Hyper (1999) omnibus data and the issue itself, so it will stay as-is. Phediuk (talk) 04:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Phediuk One more. Power Unlimited has "52. Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory en Castle Wolfenstein", i.e. a dual entry for Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory and Return to Castle Wolfenstein. The Omnibus data currently only has Enemy Territory listed. IlmeniAVG (talk) 07:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed; thanks. Phediuk (talk) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Phediuk This will definitely be the last one as I'm done checking my own lists now. Anyway, I've got one definite error and one possible error in the Yahoo (2005) list.
The definite error is 14. WarioWare GBA. The article cites WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgames! as appearing in this list, but the date and the screenshot both match WarioWare: Twisted. The screenshot is of the minigame Cutting It Close, which does not appear in Mega Microgames!, and the 2004 release date matches the Japanese release of Twisted! (Mega Microgames! was released in 2003, worldwide).
The possible error is 72. FIFA Soccer. The release date matches FIFA Soccer 96 (they may also have assumed, incorrectly, that the "95" in "FIFA Soccer 95" referred to its release date), but the screenshot is clearly from the original. The advertising barriers are the giveaway; they're different in 95 and 96). Up to you what you want to do with this one, but I've recorded it as the original in my own data, albeit with an asterisk. IlmeniAVG (talk) 03:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, thanks. Phediuk (talk) 23:19, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ScreenRant updated

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The 40 Best Games Of All Time (screenrant.com) Discess Alena 33 (talk) 16:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Screen Rant added five additional entries to their list, bringing it from 35 to 40 games. They are as follows:

36. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

37. Portal 2

38. Grand Theft Auto IV

39. Diablo II

40. Death Stranding

I have added these to the main page, and to the omnibus data. Phediuk (talk) 15:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Top 100 Updated along with other recent Omnibus data changes
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DW-2yjPbKkdj4qaIkE85VsT1T2uhDwxsPn70kfuHimw/edit XJJSX (talk) 18:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

missing data

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I know there are too many games to be picked for years 2020-23, I just want to suggest adding Subnautica if it is available on any top games list Vadno (talk) 13:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems it has been named on one list at present, so I'm afraid it might be some time before it is added here. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just read your reply. Seriously, some of the best games have been missing from this list, especially on the years 2020 to present
Also, how do you even add these games from the list and what site have y'all been basing it on? Might be able to help Vadno (talk) 13:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's an FAQ atop this talk page that should be able to answer your questions. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 14:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

XBOX ONE ORI

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Not sure it has already been evaluated, but I was really surprised not to find it here. It has always received tremendous (positive) reviews... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.201.194.183 (talk) 00:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read the Learn More About This Page info icon to learn how adding games works please. XJJSX (talk) 00:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) We don't "evaluate" games here; we simply add them once they're named by six publications, per the FAQ. Ori and the Blind Forest has been named by five (and Will of the Wisps by one), so I assume it will reach the threshold at some stage. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some have stayed at five for a long time, though, so maybe not. :p 100.16.223.83 (talk) 07:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

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I do find it surprising that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is not listed in this article as I'm sure there must be a number of ranking lists from reliable sources that include the game, it essentially being as equally revered as Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (if perhaps having even less innovation). Wikibenboy94 (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Surprisingly, it has only been named by four publications, one of which was only this year. Perhaps we will see some new entries as nostalgia grows, but I fear it might be some time. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yars Revenge

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I am very surprised that this game is not on the list. Surely it belong? 80.198.18.220 (talk) 20:25, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems it only shows up on one list so far, that being Flux (1995). -insert valid name here- (talk) 21:40, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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