Talk:List of German names for places in Slovenia

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Vandalization

The page has been vandalized. It contains a large number of places that are NOT in SLOVENIA but in the Republic of Austria, predominantly in a mixed-language area that was repeatedly claimed by Yugoslavia and even occupied by Yugoslav troops both after World War I and World War II. The majority of the places have officially two names, one German and one Slovene, several others are under dispute. The Republic of Slovenia recently declared that it had no territorial claim to any part of Austria, but malicious or even hateful provocations such as this one occur again and again and are most certainly not helpful! I have not yet removed the place names concerned but marked a number of them "A" for Austria. Marschner (talk) 21:05, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Austrian places. --AndrejJ (talk) 21:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hungarian a German dialect?

Lendvavásárhely, Tótkeresztúr, Murazsombat, Nagydolány, Bántornya, Mártonhely... are definitely not "German exonyms", but Hungarian names, and to my knowledge, Hungarian is not one of the German dialects. After World War I the Kingdom of Hungary lost part of its territory to Yugoslavia, and in Hungary - surprise, surprise! - places had had Hungarian names. So why are they in a "List of German Exonyms"?

German letters č š ž ?

"Hačeks", those inverted rooflets above c,s,z, have luckily not found their way into the German alphabet - the existence of ä,ö,ü, and ß is bad enough. So place name like Bučka, Dragatuš, or Fužine cannot possibly be "German exonyms"! And "Gorenja vas" doesn't sound extremely German either, certainly not, if it is supposed to be the German name of the Slovene place of Gorenja vas! Marschner (talk) 21:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look, if you find mistakes, remove places, OK? --AndrejJ (talk) 21:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exonyms!!

@Andrejj: You undid my correction of the EXONYM "Untersteiermark" for Štajerska in Slovenia. You may, of course, not be aware that "Untersteiermark" was - and still is - the German term for that predominantly Slovene speaking part of the Habsburg Duchy of Styria that fell to the SHS-State after World War I. Thus "UNTERSTEIERMARK" is an EXONYM. "Steiermark" in German is exclusively used for the Austrian State of that name. My mother tongue is German, and I certainly know what I am talking about. So I undid your undoing. Marschner (talk) 23:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see history of the article (particullary [1]) and do not accuse people. --AndrejJ (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrejj: Thank you - and yes, I did have a look at that link, did you have one too? And I followed the history - great fun! - Now the exonym "Untersteiermark" seems to have definitely gone together with "Steiermark" and "Štajerska". Well, that's okay with me, I'm not going into an editing war. Anyway, the page says "German exonyms for towns...", and Untersteiermark is, of course, not a town.

There is something else, however: Don't you think there ought to be a remark somewhere that apart from a handful of names the whole list is a list of purely historic interest? These names used to be endonyms as long as both Slovene and German speaking Austrians lived there. But today? Apart from Laibach, Pettau, Cilli, Unterdrauburg and Wochein (because of Wocheiner See and Wocheiner Bahn) hardly any of all those names has survived. Even "Marburg" is less frequently heard nowadays than "Maribor"; Aßling finds its way into a sports page now and then through a ice-hockey reporter in neighbouring Carinthia who may think its clever to show off his knowledge of history, but you'll never ever hear or read of "Kronau" for Kranska Gora; Adelsberger Grotte may be remembered, but tourists go to Postojna. Krainburg? Ah, isn't that Kranj? Veldes?? Where is that? The great majority of those villages and hamlets may be remembered by a few old people who used to live in the area, and perhaps by their descendants if great-granddad or granny were born in a partcular place. Even "Krain" is alive only in the "Krainer" sausages and "Die lustigen Oberkrainer", but nobody would tell his friends that he was in Krain yesterday. Marschner (talk) 17:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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External Link: A Long Long List of Forgotten Names

compiled by Tamaš Herlik
Exonyme - Vergessene Ortsnamen
Borrowed resp. taken from: "ehem. Exonyme-Forum (Parsimony)/K. Badenheuer"
... Marschner (talk) 22:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need for repeating list, it is already in the article. But "your" long list contain doubled entries, beside towns there are also rivers and mountains. List also contain Italian names.

And yes, those names are mostly of a historic value (of interest for genealogist).--AndrejJ (talk) 06:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why not include rivers and mountains? —Tamfang (talk) 18:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of exonyms are of historic value in a verry verry wide sense: one example of this is the manipulation of names by governments. Recognising this aspect gives those lists a high importance for everybody and not only for some specialists. 85.125.12.194 (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slovenia as part of the Austrian monarchy before 1918

I intent to do the same historical work as for the Czech Lands list. First, the concept of 'exoxyms' should be removed from the title.

Jacquesverlaeken (talk) 10:32, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to German exonyms in Slovenia

Basically the subject header, to match the list's purpose. Starbeam2 (talk) 18:32, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]