Talk:List of Gantz chapters

Why not use the common names they use in the series?

I notice you call him Kei instead of Kurono, and refer to Nishi and Kato by their first names. That wasn't done in the manga or the anime at all. Good job so far though. You put some work into this. Dream Focus (talk) 00:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought we should use first names but I was wrong. Feel free to change them. However, the list needs some copyedit since my Im still studying English and my grammar is pretty bad.Tintor2 (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that Kurono and the like would be more appropriate. Also, I second your good job on updating the article. I tried to do a quick edit on most of them just to clean up glaring grammar errors. I did not do it as thoroughly as it probably needs. So a second editor's run through would be quite helpful, just to round things up a bit. --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 15:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. By the way, some summaries are bit shorter since I dont remember too much and I dont have some (see for example vol 17). So they could be expanded a bit.Tintor2 (talk) 19:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Class Upgrade

As you may have noticed, with the recent additions, I requested a class assessment and am proud to say we have gotten it up to C-class (from start-class). There is now a checklist for B-class inclusion above. Thanks to all who made this possible. --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 08:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Click Show next to it and it shows the list of what we didn't get yet.

1. B1 (Referencing and citation) = NoN Failed
2. B3 (Structure) = NoN Failed

I guess we could look at a chapter list for another series that got B rating, and see what their structure is like, and copy it. The part about referencing I find odd, since what is there to reference? The information provided in the summaries after each chapter, is from that chapter. I guess they want a reference tag listing what page every sentence of information comes from. Dream Focus (talk) 11:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I have updated the checklist (Inadvertently switched B1 and B2 around)

1. B2 (Coverage and accuracy) = NoN Failed
2. B3 (Structure) = NoN Failed (Lead too short)

You have done very good work on the list indeed, and I would say it is very close to B class as well. Regarding the above items:

• The lead is missing a bit of information, I would suggest using the lead of List of Claymore chapters as a template, as it addresses all of the important items, some of which have been omitted here.
• I find that the summaries are a bit short (in proportion to the list of chapters in each volume); this seems a bit awkward; though I doubt that this would be a problem in attaining FL class.
• The use of "This is a list of..." in the lead has been deprecated. Refer to WP:ANIME's newer FL's for up to date examples.

I would recommend listing the article for peer review after the copy edit, as it should be close to FL by then.

Regards, G.A.S^talk 14:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Done some things. As you see in the above discussion some summaries could be expanded. I expanded the lead, but I couldnt find too many things about the serialization.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Gantz is sometimes released just a few pages at a time. So you have a lot of chapters in a volume, but the number of pages total may not be that great. Also, some things last a long time. Kishimoto taking a bath was 5 pages long, for example. Or if the entire volume of chapters, or several volumes, features only a single hunt, sometimes with just a single enemy to fight against, its hard to right any summary that doesn't end up just being a detailed play by play. Dream Focus (talk) 16:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, some scenes are pretty long, but what about the lead? Also, do you know a source about the hiatus of phase 1 and 2? Those notes are removed in the volumes.Tintor2 (talk) 16:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

(Reply to Dream Focus) I expected that some of the chapters might be quite short; I do not think this should be a problem:). I presume that the volumes do not have titles?

(Reply to Tintor2) It seems fine, just needs a copy-edit.

G.A.S^talk 17:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the re-assess G.A.S. Outstanding work everyone for getting this list up to snuff. So, after a bit more copy-editing, the next step will be to submit it for peer review. So, let's try to hone it up a bit more, and I'll submit it for peer review this weekend. Sound good? --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 18:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I still plan submit for peer review sometime on this weekend (prob. tomorrow). Any last minute touches that need to be done should probably be done before then. If anybody has objection to this, or think it should wait, let me know. Again, great work all that helped with this effort.--–m.f ^{(t • c)} 19:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Mention of anime

Apart that the lead needs good size, the mention of anime is very important as well as the mention of manga is important in the anime list. Its commented in several Feature lists reviews and every feature list mentions it.Tintor2 (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, if the referenced feature lists do indeed have this content I suppose it is ok. I feel that is certainly appropriate to have, but not in the chapter list. But alas, I will concede the point since the other lists also have it. --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 23:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Things that got edited out... please discuss

There are some things that got edited out, which I think are short enough and valid enough to the series that they should be left in. Post your opinions please on each separate issue.

[*]"Back in the Gantz room, Kato tries to explain to the disbelieving newcomers about what sort of things they can expect to happen. A Buddhist priest is there among the newcomers, and has convinced most of them that they have gone to the afterlife, and not to listen to Kato." The second sentence is edited out. It explains why they were so disbelieving, and that bit wasn't just one page or anything, it stretched out to a rather funny bit that covered most of that chapter.

[*]"He points a gun at Gantz and threatens him, to try to make him bring back the others, but gets no answer." was edited out. If you have read the manga, this is an extremely important event, it explaining why Gantz decided for the following mission, that instead of adding new people, he'd just send Kurono off on his own, apparently to die, he not having any realistic change of surviving. By chance a weakness was found. No one has ever been sent before or after that time period, out alone, there always new people added.

[*]"As a result, he flees the group and leaps back to the original rooftop where he first appeared." was edited out and now only reads the following sentence which I believe doesn't explain things properly. "Realizing they are unable to dodge while in mid-air, he starts firing at them as they jump after him." Why would they be jumping after him? You have to mention the previous sentence of him jumping across the rooftop.

[*]"since him yelling at Kishimoto in a previous argument made her run off," was edited out. When he had the argument in the previous issue, and she ran off, he rushing after her but unable to find her, he cried then, all upset that he had driven her away. He was depressed he had treated her like that, and forced her to run off and live on the street, not simply because she ended up with another guy. Having an extra half sentence to verify that, I think its worth it. It explains how the character evolved, he not entirely just some shallow jerk as he was at the start.

[*]..."Sei Sakuraoka, who bears a striking resemblance to Lara Croft of the Tomb Raider games" was edited. If you read any Frequently Asked Questions in pinned topics on any Gantz fan boards, such as Stoptazmo, you will find they always mention what issue she was in, and what pages Kurono had sex with her. That is something fans of this series remember, and talk about, she a favorite in all polls even though she only was there briefly, having sex with him and then dying in the following mission. Anyone who remembered reading some of Gantz and wanted to know what chapter to find her, or had heard something about that, or saw a picture of her online somewhere in the various "sexy girls of Gantz" listings on websites, would want to be able to search for "Lara Croft" and find that. Just trying to explain the mentality of the guys who read this. Sexy girls, lot of guns, lot of explosions, lot of blood and guts. That's what the series is about. So having that bit in there, makes the article useful to those looking for a particular chapter. Dream Focus (talk) 01:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with all of your points. Tintor: we can't just go in and hack a bunch of stuff out without discussion like that. I agree that all of these things belong, and have reverted the article back. ----–m.f ^{(t • c)} 12:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

The point of this is that in the last assessment, G.A.S. mentioned that some summaries were a bit longer than other. Fanboards are unreliable source and creation of characters are pretty unnecesary here. Half of the people who enter into Gantz dont believe what happen there. Summaries shouldnt be so overdetailed and several peer reviews I have seen comments of length. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 13:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Gantz alters the number of pages greatly in each chapter. Some are thus much longer than others. Also, more things happen sometimes, which take longer to review. So some summaries will be longer than others for this series. Other series usually have a set number of pages, so their review summaries will perhaps be more the same size.

As for your comment: "Half of the people who enter into Gantz dont believe what happen there." Yeah, some missions had that early on. Mission 1, no one knew what was going on but Nishi, and he just messing with their heads. Mission two, they were able to convince everyone to wear a suit, other than three of the gang members, who didn't like the look, but still believed they had to kill aliens, thus everyone that time took it seriously. Mission three, the monk kept most people from believing Kato, but he did try. Mission 4, Kurono alone. Mission 5, since Izumi knocked Kurono out for a time, he didn't have time to tell everyone to wear a suit before they got transferred, or explain what was going on, so some wandered off confused. Missions after that, however, they were better organized, and everyone always wore a suit. So people did take this seriously after that. Mission three was the only time people didn't believe what was happening when it was explained to them, or take this seriously, and that's because of the monk. So I believe that once sentence explaining why this time they failed to convince people, is valid in that summary. Dream Focus (talk) 14:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It was fairly significant and was the first time that so much attention was paid to the others' disbelief. That was all due to the influence of the monk. I think it belongs. --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 14:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

The monk thing has a point to stay but it was never explained why Kurono was sent alone. I also added that in volume 17 somethings that happened to Kouki Inaba but it was removed, why?Tintor2 (talk) 17:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I felt it was extraneous and one of the sort of details that you said earlier were unnecessary. It just didn't seem to fit with the rest of the summary. --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 17:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

So the same could be saind with all the buildings jumps in the shorty aliens missions.Tintor2 (talk) 17:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Good point. I removed the building jump stuff like you had it. Good call. --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 18:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

But then it doesn't explain why they were jumping. After getting beaten about by them, he realizes he has no chance against them, and runs off, leaping over to another rooftop. Perhaps something like that? He also left his two x-shotguns behind when he leaped over the first time, and then once he got back he picked them up, and blasted away at them. Anyway, you can't just say the aliens all jumped at once, and he got them. They had to have a reason to jump all at once, and be unable to dodge in the air. I never really thought length a problem on any wikipedia article. People just skim through to the parts they want to read anyway. Dream Focus (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I updated it again with a version with a little more explanation but not as trivial as it originally was. Will this work? --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 21:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

FL Peer Review

I will be submitting this for Featured List status peer review shortly. Please refrain from making any edits while it is in the review process. If something is absolutely necessary, please discuss it in the talk page first. Thanks! --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 13:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

How long does this review thing take? Dream Focus (talk) 14:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It depends on how many responses it has. I added it to the wikiproject news to have more responses.Tintor2 (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Great work everybody!!! As you might have noticed all the efforts that we have made recently to upgrade this to FL status have paid off. Thanks to all who made it so. Cheers! ---–m.f ^{(t • c)} 00:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The thief's translation

127. Chinese (漢, Kan) 泥棒が作った偽のタイトル(Title of imitation that thief made)

127. man (漢, Otoko) 正しいタイトル(Correct title)

by 機械翻訳(Machine translation) )211.122.244.254 (talk) 20:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

When I enter in what you say is the correct title, into Google translater, it says, "(Han, Otoko) version is shi ku Soft Center Introduction". It won't translate "shi ku" though. What does the title mean? And by thief, do you mean the fansub? The legal release of Gantz doesn't cover chapter 127 yet. Dream Focus (talk) 17:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

単独で漢というkanjiを使う場合、Otokoと読むのが通常です。 （Reading when kanji named is used alone as Otoko is usual.） Episode127は中国人の話ではありません。（Episode127 is not Chinese's story.）

Episode127はOtokoの話です。（Episode127 is a story of Man.）

Gantzは日本の作品です。作品の脚本は常識的ではありませんが、日本の常識で言葉を考えてください。（Gantz is a work of Japan. Please think about the word by the common sense of Japan though the scenario of the work is not commonsense.）

by 機械翻訳(Machine translation) (220.104.45.144 (talk) 18:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)).

It looks like this has long been sorted out, but basically what 220.104.45.144 was saying was that a vandal used the wrong reading from the kanji and as "Kan" could be understood as translating to "Chinese", whereas it should (and by now does) have "Otoko", translating to "Man", and that "Otoko" is a usual reading of 漢 when alone. Akata (talk) 13:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Phase 3

Apparently there will be a new phase called "destruction" which is expected to be the last part. It seems it was explained in the end of chapter 285 in that little sign of preview. However, we need a source to add that, does anybody know? Probably there wont be an official source until Phase 2 ends.Tintor2 (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Gantz Manual

something should be added about the side-manga. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it part of the volumes? If not, it should go to the main Gantz article. Tintor2 (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a volume on its own. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 00:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

If that is a mention on the lead with a ref would be enough. But since its a type of guidebook it will be better in the main article.Tintor2 (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Which Version Is Better?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Gantz_chapters&curid=17372695&diff=265255384&oldid=265183064 Those familiar with the series, please state your opinion. I changed "all his friends are" to "the entire Gantz team is", since he isn't friends with all of them. I mean, Inaba certainly isn't considered a friend, just a team mate. Please look over the few changes made, and tell me if any of them are invalid. Kato is told that is possible, not impossible, to revive people. Reika told them to not get involved, which is why Kato had to go fight alone, no one helping him at first. Etc. I'm wondering why it was reverted. Dream Focus (talk) 16:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

They were already forbidden to fight in Osaka by those Gantz members.Tintor2 (talk) 16:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh. I was thinking she lost her nerve after seeing Kurono die again. She did state something about they should try to survive. But yeah, being told that was a good reason not to fight also. Shouldn't it mention why they told them not to kill aliens? They didn't want them "point stealing" in their territory, by hunting aliens there. Dream Focus (talk) 17:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

They never say why. Probably they liked hunting.Tintor2 (talk) 17:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I did read chapter 247. When asked if they should be helping people, Reika said it wasn't their job, and if they did one of them might die, and its best to not fight. Its on page 7. That is the reason they weren't fighting, not because of what someone else told them. And Kato learns in chapter 247 that 100 points can bring anyone back, he surprised, not knowing that before. They say no matter how many times you die, you can just keep coming back. Please read it. Dream Focus (talk) 18:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Then Sakata explains that its impossible to come back all together out of Gantz and even says he wouldnt like to be revived if dies.Tintor2 (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps a different fansub. What I read is Sakata saying bringing back Kurono would be cheap, death not mattering anymore, it cheapening human life, and he not wishing to be brought back if he died. How would be impossible for them to do that? If you get a hundred points for each person killed, you can in fact bring everyone back, and eventually check out. So it is possible. Dream Focus (talk) 18:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

With regard to the first question, I think 'Gantz Team' is certainly more accurate than 'friends', because as you say, very few of them (if any) does he truly consider his friends. --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 19:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Murder (accidental) or Self-defense?

It currently reads "Takeshi is the first one to be sent and accidentally kills some of them after becoming scared." In chapter 239 is when the kid gets sent, and the alien lady goes after him. In 240 she says she wants to eat him, he starting to fight back. He is later shown killing her using a technique he learned by watching Kaze. He killed her while fighting back, although perhaps not on purpose. Can't really be certain. He did cry and apologize after killing her. Did he kill anyone else but that one? Dream Focus (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I think 'accidentally kills' is still correct, even if it was done as an act of self-defense. They die, and it was not his intention to kill, so the act of killing was truly 'accidental'. Cheers, --–m.f ^{(t • c)} 19:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Missed titles

I don't know if someone already noted but this list is missing some English titles e.g. 267, 269, 272, 277, etc. Someone who knows the manga could check this edit in which the user changed some Japanese titles as well as removed some English titles. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 22:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look into it, the editor didn't make too many changes, so it'll be easy to verify. i'm not so sure about having an additional 0 though, makes it difficult to read.Lucia Black (talk) 04:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Leading zeros are not okay. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 06:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I checked some of the chapters and they do not line up with what the editor is showing, either they changed them in the tankobon format or this was just a bad edit. Either way, i suggest we revert it because we need to verify everything else and i'm not seeing anything that shows he's right.Lucia Black (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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Spinoff

Wasn't there another Gantz manga but focused on exclusive characters? If so, the article might need it.Tintor2 (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)