Talk:Laura Pausini/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Voice type

Laura is a contralto. To the person who keeps on saying that she's a lyric soprano, please read up on music theory. Her range is almost an octave short of that of the lyric soprano. Lyric sopranos can go up to or beyond a D6, and the highest note that Laura's recorded is an E5. Her range is almost similar to that of a tenor. If you insist on categorizing her as a lyric, please let us know where you're getting this. My observation that she's a contralto is just that -- an observation based on musical knowledge. It's like an Italian speaker listening to someone speak a foreign language and detecting that it's Italian. It's not original research. Lucia medea (talk) 02:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

First, "My observation that she's a contralto is just that -- an observation based on musical knowledge" is the very definition of original research. Second, I'm not the one insisting she's a lyric soprano. I just undid your edit. Third, why the double standard? You're allowed to make unreferenced claims but the lyric soprano apologist is not? "Please let us know where you're getting" the contralto claim. Fourth, the only source I've come across to ever reference her voice type/range is music journalist Kim Hughes' editorial review of From the Inside (2002). She describes "Pausini's trembling mezzo." Undid Lucia medea's edit. Oskarg956 (talk) 18:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, in that case be professional about it and keep it "mezzo." A mezzo-soprano is in no way the same thing as a lyric. If you don't know Romance languages, you'll have no idea that Laura sings in Italian, but if you do know the language, it's easy to detect. That's not "original research." I've studied the ranges of each voice type, and can easily detect that Laura's NOT a lyric soprano. Just like you and I easily detect that she's singing Italian when we hear "Primavera in anticipo." Go listen to Renee Fleming for lyric soprano. Lucia medea (talk) 20:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't know how much more clearer I can be. Again, I'm not the one insisting she's a lyric soprano. I simply undid your edit. I didn't modify any fields. The last user to modify the Voice type field was User:70.187.172.229. My revision simply restored his/her edit. I wasn't about to encourage your edit war. Oskarg956 (talk) 01:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Oskarg956, I overlooked the part about you not saying she's a lyric. I apologize.Lucia medea (talk) 03:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

to me she sounds like a lirico - spinto soprano - because she has a light voice, but also something raspy and a lot of power in her voice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.124.22.252 (talk) 16:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

First Spanish album in 1994

I previously edited this article because I noticed that Laura's first Spanish album was published in 1994, instead of 1995 as the article said. It says so in my original copy of the album and it also says so at Laura's official website. However, someone changed it back to 1995 providing no reason and apparently without checking official sources. I'm changing it back to 1994, since as I've argued that's definitely the right date. Please do check the album and the official website if you think it was 1995.--Pecholobo 22:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

First Spanish Album - 1994

I'm sorry. I have 3 editions of the album. The vinyl from España and the Italian and Brazilian Cd's. The vinyl and the Italian cd I don't use. So I checked only in the Brazilian Cd (1995). The vinyl says 1994. So it is 1994.

You don't need to be rude. :)

Somebody erased the information about "I Sogni..." another day. Was you? It Better not have been because that is just rude!

Bye...

--Grimaldi 12:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded rude. I tried my best not to sound like it. I guess I was a little upset and I couldn't hide it. Sorry again.

I didn't erase anything related to "I Sogni..." - I didn't even know about it, what is it? You can check the article's history to see who did it.

Going back the Laura's first album in Spanish, I think the correct date is 1994, not 1994/95. The album is from 1994, even if some editions weren't released until 1995. I guess it's not really that important though.--Pecholobo 22:38, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

160 platinum albums?

This can't be true. Can someone find out the real number? Vansice 21:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know if Laura is a mezzo or a soprano?

Tudo o que eu vivo vs. Le cose che vivi

The title of the Brazilian special edition of Le cose does not appear to be the Portuguese Tudo o que eu vivo. Its Italian title was retained. Pausini's official web site even lists the album as such—Le cose che vivi (Just 4 Brazil).

Also, the duet "Seamisai" with Gilberto Gil appears in E ritorno da te/Volveré junto a ti, not in Le cose (Brazil), as the article states. Oskarg956 10:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

I take issue with User:Spellcast and other "crusaders" like him/her with purist stances against the mention of awards in the opening sentence of an article. Now, I say "crusaders" because even Spellcast admits, "I've been removing every mention I see about 'Grammy/Academy/Emmy winning' etc. in the opening sentence."

Their argument is seemingly logical—seemingly, because it's also biased. No one ever makes mention of the Nobel Prize. A quick scan through the biographies of Nobel laureates reveals that 3 in 4 such articles mention the award in the opening sentence. No one seems to have a problem with this. Why? Nobel laureates were nominated and selected by a group of their peers and/or "authorities" in their discipline just like Academy Award– and Grammy Award–winners. Why the double standard? Why is one prize held in higher esteem than all others? User:FuriousFreddy suggests we "crack open some professional print encyclopedias" to see their level of professionalism, but even these mention Nobel laureate in the opening sentence of their entries.

Secondly, the purists seem to have a problem with quoting precedent (unless it's convenient for them, of course). User:Extraordinary Machine suggests sympathizers who claim that "other articles have similar intros" are ignorant. FuriousFreddy states "if everyone else is screwing up, that means you'd screw up right alongside them." It will greatly inconvenience these users to know that even featured articles (Bette Davis, Henry Fonda, Jake Gyllenhaal, Diane Keaton, Norman Borlaug are but a few examples that a quick scan yielded) which Wikipedia holds in greatest esteem contain the "screwed-up," "ignorant" practice of including awards in the opening sentence. Perhaps the real "verbal fluff" is Wikipedia's claim:

Featured articles are considered to be the best articles in Wikipedia, as determined by Wikipedia's editors. Before being listed here, articles are reviewed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style according to our featured article criteria.

I have a hard time believing five articles with NPOV "problems" in the opening sentence slipped past the editors.

Finally, FuriousFreddy says the practice is acceptable if "their winning a certain award was particularly groundbreakign in some way." It just so happens that Laura Pausini's Grammy gave her the distinction of being the first Italian female to win the award. In the Grammy Award's 50-year history, Pausini is only the second Italian to win the American award. Had Spellcast taken the time to read the article, he/she would have known this. But again, there is a fixation among editors to do away with "violations" that they skip over context to serve their righteous campaign.

Because of these reasons I am undoing Spellcast's edit. I have read the purists' arguments and what I see is bias and discrimination. Oskarg956 04:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Spellcast, thanks for responding. When I noticed you had edited the opening sentence of the Laura Pausini article I wasn't upset, I wasn't offended, I really had no opinion. But I wanted to know why, since you had failed to explain in the edit summary. After reading your user discussion page I came to understand that it was a problem with POV. Now, I've read the policy at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and clearly understand. I am, by no means, contesting the policy. What I am challenging here is the policing. It seems that only performing artists' biographies are targeted for violations. What about Nobel laureates, Pulitzer Prize–, Peabody Award–, Medal of Honor recipients? What about Olympic medalists? No one is up in arms about the inclusion of awards in the opening sentence of their articles. Are these awards more valid than performing arts awards (namely, the Academy–, Grammy–, and Emmy Awards)? If this isn't discriminating policing then I don't know what is. Then, in an effort to sway opinion the purists make some arguments that undermine and invalidate Wikipedia's claim of excellence when sympathasizers quote precedent. Featured articles are supposedly reviewed rigorously for neutrality, style, etc. And yet they're also full of "ignorance" and "screw–ups." Are featured articles the standard to emulate or not? I understand the NPOV policy. The policy is not the issue. The issue is neutrality itself. I'd love to hear the purists admit they themselves have been bias and discriminating in their crusade. I'd love to see a real effort for NPOV on all biographies, not just performing artists'. The revision on the Laura Pausini page is my form of protest. Until I see reform in the purist circle, then I'll be convinced of neutrality. Oskarg956 05:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

IOM

I have yet to see the use of post-nominal letters for 'cavalieri' in Italian publications. The title Sig/Sig.ra suffices, it seems. Edit has been undone. Oskarg956 16:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Lplogo01.JPG

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Infobox artist

As can be seen here, Geografia75 prefers to use a picture for the name of Laura Pausini in the infobox. I have now reverted this twice, as I believe it goes against the point of having standardised infoboxes, where indeed even the coloring scheme has a point. I recommend Geografia75 and everyone else to state their opinion on this matter here first, and not to include the picture as her name again unless and until a consensus has been established here. Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 07:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The image, anyway, is not so much a logo as it is a graphic design choice for the Resta in ascolto sessions—Escucha, Live in Paris 05, and their singles. The image is dated and inappropriate. Oskarg956 (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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cio laura sono kaouther sono tunisina che ti ama molto e voglio ti vedere subito tra noi in tunisi perche tutti la genti qui ti voglio bene —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.203.146.107 (talk) 14:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Taken from the page:

Genre(s) Death metal, thrash metal, groove metal

huh????????? Retailmonica (talk) 21:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Revert by User:Oskarg956

Most ridiculous to revert all of my edits, and probably even vandalism. Now song and album titles are once again mixed in "quotes" and italics, no word of the huge L'Aquila charity concert in San Siro Stadium, an image without description, a good concert image that appears in many other Wikipediae removed etc. etc. Very encouraging indeed, keep up the good work! And believe it or not, Ms Pausini was indeed born in Faenza. I myself was born not in my home town, but in a neighbouring town because the regional hospital was located there and housebirths were not common at the time (as to "self-defined" places and dates of birth, I might come up with some telling examples like Kim Jong Il and Roberto Micheletti, but Ms Pausini probably deserves better, so I'll just leave it at that). --Alib (talk) 09:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

When you read an imperative in an edit summary (like "see…") and actually oblige, you might learn a thing or two. For instance, WP:MOST is a nice primer on text formatting. You're upset because "song and album titles are once again mixed in 'quotes' and italics"? Really? They're supposed to be! Moving along, if we had maintained your edit, the article would have indicated that Ms. Pausini was born in Faenza. Yet, if you clicked on the citations (that you maintained, mind you), you would have been directed to sources that totally contradict that "fact". You're upset about that too? Really? Still, it's a topic that had already been discussed. I even directed you to the discussion in the edit summary. Even with solid, reliable sources (One of the pillars of Wikipedia; see WP:5 <==but click on it, this time, and actually read) pointing to Solarolo, you're upset because it doesn't indicate Faenza? Really? The Faenza camp always comes up with that hospital-and-housebirth explanation, but where is the source? Direct us to a source that explains the confusion in birthplace. Your example, Kim Jong Il's article, does just that. Ms. Pausini does deserve better, which is why I reverted your edits. You still want to insinuate vandalism? I will keep up the good work. Don't you worry about that. Oskarg956 (talk) 03:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

As I can see, it's always a good idea to bring a stick to every “discussion” on Wikipedia, a really big one, or a brick, or even better, a baseball bat. Again: keep up the good work! You're definitely the best. --Alib (talk) 09:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

List of television appearances

Has she performed on English-speaking American TV yet? Or if not, how about any television at all anywhere?

The main article could be improved if there were a list of which television programs she has appeared on, and when. Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 08:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Pausini probably did, since she already recorded songs in English. She is often in Brazil and other countries of Latin America as well. She's very popular in Brazil, probably the most famous female Italian singer. Opinoso (talk) 00:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Solarolo vs. Faenza

A recent edit asserts, "Often the medias report incorrectly that she was also born in Solarolo, but this is not true: moreover Solarolo is so small that it does not have a hospital."

The "truth" is that Laura Pausini, herself, claims to have been born in Solarolo:

Laura Pausini: I was born in a little village in the north of Italy called Solarolo.

—Bottomley, Charles. "Laura Pausini: All About Diva", VH1.com, November 22, 2002.

Yo he nacido en una ciudad de Italia cercana a dos ciudades importantes que se llaman Bologna y Faenza.

—"Interview with Monserrat Olivier", Las hijas (de la Madre Tierra), Unicable [México], January, 27, 2007.

Yo he nacido en un pueblo muy pequeño de Italia [que se llama] Solarolo. Está cerca de una ciudad que se llama Bologna....Yo he nacido en este pueblito pequeño de 4.000 personas.

–"Interview with Beto Ortiz", Nadie se duerma con Beto Ortiz, Frecuencia Latina [Perú], November 2, 2001.

Edit has been undone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oskarg956 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Sincerely the Laura's place of birth question starts to be rather frustrating. Laura states that she was born in Solarolo? Well, she simply says what she "feels", but on an encyclopedia the place of birth must be indicated following the objective reality, not feelings. The objective reality is what documents report. Laura can't be born (to be born = to come to life into this world) in Solarolo because in that case Laura should be born at home or in the street, since in Solarolo there are not hospitals. And in 1974 times were modern enough to convince women to give birth to a child in a hospital. Faenza is about 10 km from Solarolo, so Laura is not to blame if she states in the interviews that she was born in Solarolo because Laura has always lived there, she has never lived in Faenza. But for an encyclopedia this is not a correct statement, that's all. There are even cases in which people raised in Italy are born abroad: they can say whenever they want that they feel they are 100% Italian, but this is not a good reason to say that they are born in Italy as well. 62.10.19.129 21:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, according to Wikipedia policy, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. 'Verifiable' in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source." I've provided three sources (and there are plenty more) in which Ms. Pausini, herself, makes the claim. She says "Solarolo", Solarolo it is. Secondly, no one is "blaming" her for claiming to have been born in Solarolo. That kind of language spells agenda to me. Oskarg956 00:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Quote: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". Are you kidding me???? Only truth is verifiable, because a lie will come out as such under close scrutiny! Her birth certificate (the only verifiability fact) will certainly say that she was born in Faenza, not in Solarolo, which does not have a hospital. By the early '70s, house births were extremely rare in Italy; however, unless somebody can get their hands on her birth certificate, the Ms Pausini's version has to be taken as verifiable. 173.206.231.71 (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

After reading the Italian version of the article, the conclusion is that Laura Pausini was born in Faenza (apparently she also says so in an interview), but never lived there, as her parents residence was in Solarolo. 173.206.231.71 (talk) 17:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

If you have a problem with WIKIPEDIA POLICY, take it up with the powers that be. This encyclopedia is not interested in conjecture. Note A attempts to explain the disparity in published sources. Don't insert details based on speculation. And out of curiosity: "Unless somebody can get their hands on her birth certificate, then Ms Pausini's version has to be taken as verifiable". Why, then, did you revise the article? That is exactly what the policy intends and you just dismissed it. Edit has been undone. Oskarg956 (talk) 00:06, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Music genre

As described in the "Artistry" section, Pausini is considered by music critics as a pop singer, not a soul singer, even if some of them occasionally noted soul influences in her albums. Therefore, I changed the very first sentence of the article from "...is an Italian soul singer-songwriter..." to "..is an Italian pop singer-songwriter...". I explain it here because it has been changed more than once in the past. --Stee888 (talk) 17:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Alguien que hable español.

Podrían enviar este artículo para que sea un artículo destacado? o mínimo uno bueno? veo que cumple con los requisitos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CamiloSanchezz (talk • contribs) 01:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

From the inside

Where's the album in english by Laura Pausini? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.45.111.69 (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC). > — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul DeVilliers (talk • contribs) 15:13, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Is she gay?

There is no information about her personal life in the article. My impression is that Laura Pausini might be gay. Is there any information about her sexual orientation?Пипумбрик (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

No, there is no information, and there probably won't be any information until she decides to make a public statement on whether she's straight, gay or bi. Furthermore, I do not see why her sexual orientation would be relevant for this article. This seems to be the consensus also on the Italian Wikipedia. "Impressions" that she "might be gay" are certainly not noteworthy. --Alib (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

She is NOT gay, has a male partner since 2006 and they had a baby girl in 2012. However, she is an advocate for gay rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul DeVilliers (talk • contribs) 15:15, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

In Australia?

Hi, I live in Australia and I'm constantly following her news. She did NOT come to Australia on her last world tour, although she mentioned at some point that she would. This can be corroborated in the italian and spanish version of the page where there is no mention of Australia. So I'm removing that piece of information from the main page, if someone wants to put it back I believe they should try and find a source that states that she actually came (not that she was intending to come). eporcel 07:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I an an FOH Engineer by trade - (the guy who is running the mixing board during concerts) and I can say based on the budget vs income, her promoters will most likely never ever allow this. I worked on the U2 Popmart tour. I have kept in contact with management and they will tour Australia in spite of them losing money on that leg tour. But acts who have earned enough money, like U2, its no longer about the money, what is more important is how many fans can they give a great show to before they can no longer give it the 100% the fans deserve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul DeVilliers (talk • contribs) 15:22, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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Laura Pausini a Pop Rock artist

Laura Pausini has many albums that have been credited as pop-rock or having strong influences from the genre, like "Resta In Ascolto/Escucha" and "Fatti Sentire/Hazte Sentir", other Pausini albums have been classified just as Pop-rock entirely like "Io Canto/Yo Canto" and "Primavera In Anticipo/Primavera Anticipada". Pop Rock is a genre that should be added to her list of genres on her wikipedia page as it is one of the genres where she has recorded most of her songs and even entire albums, whereas she has never ever been named an "Adult contemporary", artist. Alberto279 (talk) 03:07, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Alberto279: The albums and songs of any artist are not bound by the genres assigned to the artist and visa versa. It is totally conceivable for a Punk band to release a heavy metal song or even album. - FlightTime (open channel) 03:14, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@FlightTime: Well, in Pausini's case she hasn't released just one, but four albums considered Pop rock, that should count. Also, what is the method to decide the genre that a singer should be and why is "adult contemporary" as one of her genres?

@Alberto279: Well it don't. Genres are listed on a song by song / album by album / artist by artist basis, with a reliable source and most times consensus. That's just how it is here at Wikipedia. - FlightTime (open channel) 03:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@FlightTime: Could you provide a reliable source that proves that Laura Pausini is an adult contemporary artist? Or show me in what consensus was decided that she belonged to the adult contemporary genre?

@Alberto279: No. You're the one making the change, review WP:BURDEN. Can you sign your post ? - FlightTime (open channel) 03:50, 31 March 2019 (UTC)