Talk:Judy Sullivan

A fact from Judy Sullivan appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 November 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during the Apollo 11 program, biomedical engineer Judy Sullivan was instantly identifiable if she made an error as she was the only female voice on NASA's headset link?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Biomedical Engineer Judy Sullivan wearing a headset at her console during training for the Apollo 11 mission.

... that Judy Sullivan (pictured) was the first female engineer hired by NASA for spacecraft testing? Source: "Judy is the first woman engineer hired by NASA for spacecraft testing" ( "A Girl Engineer for NASA". Florida Today, 8 July 1969. p. 1D. Col 3. {Source behind newspaper.com paywall.}
- ALT1:... that Judy Sullivan (pictured) was the only female voice on NASA's headset link, so that she was instantly identifiable if she made an error? Source: "Because Sullivan was the only woman in her department to wear a headset, she was careful not to make mistakes, she said. If a man’s voice came over the headset, it was hard to determine who he was. But if she messed up, everyone would know whose voice it was — as they did when she pressed her button by mistake as she answered a colleague’s question about a steakhouse" "50 years after mission accomplished, Lower Macungie woman talks about her role as Apollo 11 biomedical engineer" The Morning Call, Jul 15, 2019 (similar quotes in two other sources nearer in time to the event, both paywalled)
- ALT2:... that at the time of the Apollo 11 mission, Judy Sullivan (pictured) was one of only 100 women in "top administrative posts" at NASA's Cape Kennedy? Source: "Lady Engineer Keeps Tabs on Astronauts". Miami Herald. 29 June 1969. p. G4

Created by DESiegel (talk), Terasaface (talk), and FeanorStar7 (talk). Nominated by DESiegel (talk) at 18:47, 20 October 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Created in Draft space 8 October 2019; moved to article space 16 October 2019 DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new enough (moved to mainspace Oct 16) and long enough (3671B). The image is public domain, clear at low res and used in the article. It's a great picture and would be nice for a photo hook. Nothing concerning on Earwig's copyvio check. Spot check of sources shows they support the text and are not closely paraphrased. The hooks are short enough and cited in the article. The source provided for the first hook is paywalled but it is also confirmed here [1] and here [2]. I don't have access to the source for ALT2 so AGF. I made a minor change to ALT1: it initially read "so that she was instantly identifiable if she made an error" which makes it sound like NASA chose a woman for the role so that her voice would be identifiable - this isn't the case based on the sources, so I removed "that". Thanks for this interesting article. Approved SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 14:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, I just realized there's no QPQ listed.

DESiegel could you add that to the nom if one was done? Thanks! SpicyMilkBoy (talk)

I haven't done the QPK for this yet, SpicyMilkBoy. I'll try to get it in today or tomorrow if possible. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:28, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

By "so that" I meant merely that because she was the nonly female voice, she was identifiable. i don't think the 'that" leads to the implication suggested by SpicyMilkBoy, and i think it is better grammer, but this is a very minor point. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:36, 23 October 2019 (UTC) If ther is a need to verify the paywalled sourcecs, soemone ar WP:RX probably has access. Anyone with newspapers.com access would do, I think. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:36, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, this came out of an Edit-a-thon. I have written to the subject, letting her know the article has been created, and asking if she has any additional, more recent, photos she would care to put under a free release for use here. Or if she knows of any additional sources. But there is no need to wait for that. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:36, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DESiegel Since you disagree with my edit, I've changed the hook back to the original one. It's not necessary to verify paywalled sources for DYK, BTW - they can be accepted in good faith. Thank you for the information. :) SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 17:40, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

QPK done: Template:Did you know nominations/Judith (Matthus) (created 13 octobeer) @SpicyMilkBoy: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:35, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Approved

SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 00:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Great article

Hi DESiegel, this is a great article! I have added a few things and published into the main space as I see it ready to do so. Thanks! Terasaface (talk) 22:02, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]