Talk:John Tavares

To do list for this article

• assessment for wiki biography format
• photo needed
• subsections neeed
• article contains info not related to the subject

Flibirigit 15:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

To Portuguese or not to Portuguese

I noticed that the Category:Portuguese Canadians tag has been added to this article a few times, and reverted as unsourced. I figured I'd do some investigating. A rather time-consuming google-search yielded the following two hits: The Canadian National Congress gave an award to John Tavares (lacrosse player) who is the uncle of this John Tavares. The New York Daily News has an article stating the lacrosse playing John Tavares "is of Portuguese descent". I did find a lot of blogs, and message board posts referring to the hockey John Tavares as Portuguese, but those sources aren't encyclopedia quality. Anyway, that's what I came up with ColtsScore 15:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the article I found. [1] I can't see anything in it. Maybe there is more in the version you have to pay for. I suspect the name is Portuguese descent. But I can't prove anything. Flibirigit 16:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure what happened with the New York Daily News story ... I thought it was an old story, but maybe it was newer and has now been archived. Anyway, the Canadian National Congress link still works (scroll down to the LUSO-CANADIANS OF DISTINCTION section). Still, though, that's about Uncle John Tavares. I'm thinking if any ethnicity aside from "Canadian" was really important, there would be more mention of it somewhere. ColtsScore 12:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

If the kid was jewish and the tag "jewish canadian" was added and unsourced, it would be ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.43.148.227 (talk • contribs)

Actually, no. That would have to be referenced too. Flibirigit 05:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I just reverted an edit to this article's opening where "and both are of Portuguese descent" was added to the sentence about lacrosse JT being this JT's uncle. I've never been able to find any articles or sources about this JT that refer to him being Portuguese -- the 2 references given for the edit were the same 2 about his uncle that are listed above. I only originally found them after an extensive web-search through obscure links. I believe if JT's Portuguese descent was an important part of his identity, it would be cited somewhere, in one of the many articles and profiles written about him. ColtsScore 23:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Found an article to use for citation for his Portuguese-Canadian background from Hockey's future. Nhl4hamilton (talk) 13:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the new source, but it does not say Tavares speaks Portuguese fluently. Flibirigit (talk) 13:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. Thanks. Nhl4hamilton (talk) 08:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Tavares is also Part Polish, hence Polish-Canadian in there. "He will have many opportunities ahead, matching an interesting background. His maternal grandparents immigrated to Ontario from Poland, his paternal grandparents from Portugal - all struggling just to get by, with his father's side of the family growing to love sports." [2]. Someone deleted my category entrance once. I had other sources from Canadian news agencies but they have since expired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.43.133 (talk) 21:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Personal life

I am debating whether or not "Top hockey prospects" should have an article section such as "Personal life," adequately referenced of course. In the case of Tavares, it could include his parents Joe and Sarah, and his offseason lacrosse accomplisments. Any thoughts? Flibirigit 09:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think a 'personal life' section for this article would be a great idea. It's a whole lot easier to have a really interesting article about a player when info gets added over time. For example, this article talks about how he grew up playing hockey on Sam Gagner's backyard rink. A lot of news articles mention interesting details that may not be included later on in biographies or profiles. Those are the things that make wiki-articles more interesting to read, in my opinion. ColtsScore 04:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Good find. I'm looking for more on his lacrosse background. Flibirigit 05:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Canadian Development Model

You make reference to the Canadian Development Model and the exceptional players status as if the Canadian Hockey League make the decision to allow a player to play in the CHL. From what I understand the Branch in which the player plays makes the decision. That is just my interpretation. I would also like you to take a look at Canadian Development Model. I wrote it but it still needs some extra information as well as improved formatting. Thanks, 69.156.124.45 05:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I have posted this new article to bio=yes for review. Thanks. Flibirigit 15:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Along that vein, part of that paragraph states that the year after Tavares' exceptional player status was granted, nobody else made such an application. I've removed that part of the paragraph because I thought it was unnecessary. It's not as if every year, we will update whether or not any applications were made. Here it is just in case I'm wrong: There were no applications to grant exceptional status to any players for the 2006 OHL Priority Selection draft. David Branch, president of the CHL and commissioner of the OHL stated "Tavares set the bar very high". Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 22:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

References

Rename article?

I don't see any reason why this article should be specified as John Tavares (ice hockey) rather than simply John Tavares. I'd like to see (ice hockey) removed from the name and put a disambig template at the top of the page for John Tavares (lacrosse). Thoughts? Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 09:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Disagree, the lacrosse playing Tavares is also highly famous in his field, and I see no reason why either individual has a greater claim. It is fine as is. Resolute 19:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Your point that his uncle is famous in lacrosse is taken. However, the hockey player garners vastly more Ghits, news articles, and internal links than the lacrosse player. I've moved the article -- Samir 07:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Current media hype does not mean more notability. Flibirigit (talk) 20:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are mistaken. See below. -- Samir 23:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Resolute, John Tavares the Lacrosse Player is one of the greatest lacrosse players alive (along with Gary Gait), the article names should stay as is. DMighton (talk) 21:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

There's no reason why he should be listed as just John Tavares. Maybe when he surpasses all of Wayne Gretzky's record and becomes the greatest player to ever play his sport, then I might think about considering it but I still wouldn't do it. Hell, he's not even a pro yet. Jc121383 (talk) 21:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

See Jay Cutler (bodybuilder) vs. Jay Cutler (American football). One might have more press coverage because he plays a higher profile sport, however that doesn't increase his importance or notability to the point where all other people of the same name go to his article (in other words I agree with Resolute). --Yankees76 (talk) 21:55, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Keep it as is. If the younger Tavares establishes himself as an elite NHL player, then maybe we can take a second look. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 22:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

At which point do we re-visit this? Uncleben85 (talk) 21:01, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Keep as is, everyone has pretty much mentioned what I would mention. -Djsasso (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm neutral and I know that this doesn't make a difference but; January 2009, John Tavares (lacrosse) viewed 2759 times, John Tavares (ice hockey) viewed 48580 times. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 00:09, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

If it ain't broke, don't fix it... – Nurmsook! ^talk... 04:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Resolute/Yankees76 on this matter. Heck, they are both in the same family and both notable athletes. The elder is more accomplished but the younger is more notable. Keep them separate, neither deserves the page over the other. Keep it as it is.--Lvivske (talk) 03:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, there's no question that this should be moved. Many of you are mistaking "notability" as being relevant in this discussion, or which player has accomplished more to date in their field. However, the key determinant is whether John Tavares, the hockey player, constitutes a primary topic for someone looking for "John Tavares" in the encyclopedia (see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC). For that to take place, we have to see if people looking for "John Tavares" are looking for the lacrosse player or the hockey player. As Krm500 notes, in January 2009, the hockey player's article has been viewed 20 times more frequently than the lacrosse player (see [3] vs. [4]). That is overwhelming and the dab page should be redirected. I suspect this will become glaringly evident after the draft, and I'm happy to wait until then to continue the discussion -- Samir 23:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are mistaken. See above... Yankees76's posting. Jc121383 (talk) 05:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Per primary topic guideline you cite: "If there is extended discussion about which article truly is the primary topic, that may be a sign that there is in fact no primary topic..." Unless a primary topic is abundantly clear, disambiguation is best. There may come a time when JT (ice hockey) becomes the primary topic ... but at this time I do not believe it is "glaringly evident." As far as function, it appears that the dab page is not burdened by unintended links, so Nurmsook's "it ain't broke" seems proper. As a benchmark, I'd say this discussion might be revisited when he wins NHL ROY (or at least begins playing professional hockey). -Mitico (talk) 19:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Drafted

Just out of curiosity, what is the standard for changing a player's affiliation? Do you change the page at the beginning of the season? 65.1.233.250 (talk) 04:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

No. The Islanders decide the affiliation now, as he's part of their roster. -- ISLANDERS27 06:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Main Picture

Could we please find a better picture to use in the Infobox? Those Orange Jerseys were worn for one pregame warmup on Halloween for a charity auction. There has to be pictures of him in the classic Islanders Jersey somewhere. Those Orange/Pumpkin jerseys are a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heavytundra (talk • contribs) 02:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Art Ross Trophy Finalist

I added the fact that John Tavares finished 1 point behind Jamie Benn of the Dallas Stars in the Art Ross Trophy race after the completion of the 2014-2014 NHL regular season.

Though he did not win the actual award, finishing 2nd is still an accolade I believe should be in his Wikipedia entry.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Twchille (talk • contribs)

Hi Twichille. Certainly a good addition, thanks! I did some minor clean-up to bring the statement more into our typical style. Cheers! Resolute 20:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Move

Is it time yet to move this page to "John Tavares"? LordAtlas (talk) 02:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 12 September 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a clear consensus that the hockey player is now the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The disambiguation page will be deleted, and each article will have a hatnote linking to the other. Aervanath (talk) 12:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

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• John Tavares (ice hockey) → John Tavares
• John Tavares → John Tavares (disambiguation)

– The hockey player has surpassed his uncle in popularity since becoming an NHL player, and is now the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, per page view statistics. The last time this was discussed was in 2009, when Tavares was still in the minor leagues. Bradv 21:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 14:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support: It's pretty evident he has supased his uncle in popularity. However, maybe instead of having a disambiguation page we do what was done for Claude Giroux and Claude Giroux (wrestler) and just have a hatnote. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

  Per WP:ONEOTHER that makes perfect sense, in which case the current redirect at John Tavares (disambiguation) should be deleted. Bradv 22:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose The problem with generational primary swaps like this is that readers come in different generations. Secondly this move would disable the dab bot which will in future not pick up mislinks. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:51, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:2DABPRIMARY as there is over 16x the views [[5]] of the lacrosse. Yes the nom is correct, the DAB should be deleted entirely. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:08, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I believe that the correct rename proposal should be as per below, with an appropriate hat note: Flibirigit (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
• John Tavares (ice hockey) → John Tavares
• John Tavares → John Tavares (lacrosse)
  • I should clarify the above by saying there is no need to keep the disambiguation page if the move is approved. Flibirigit (talk) 17:09, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

  @Flibirigit: The article for the lacrosse player is already at John Tavares (lacrosse). John Tavares is currently a disambiguation page. Bradv 17:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose as the lacrosse Tavares is widely regarded as the greatest player of all time in his sport. He holds the greater long-term significance than the hockey Tavares. schetm (talk) 18:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

  Schetm, have you looked at the page view statistics? On average, the hockey player gets nearly 100 times more page views than the lacrosse player. Bradv 18:07, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

  I am familiar with the page view stats. Nevertheless, I continue to maintain that, per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE, the lacrosse Tavares has greater long-term significance than the hockey Tavares, as he has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. While the hockey Tavares is more likely to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term, that is not the only factor to be considered when determining the primary topic. I reaffirm my oppose. schetm (talk) 18:14, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

  I'd say a ratio of page that high trumps PT#2, especially if there are just 2. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

  The argument of "greater long-term significance" holds no weight here in my opinion. The current player certainly has higher page views right now, but we have no idea what the future view count will be, so we cannot even begin to assume long-term significance. @Schetm: your argument is that possibly the greatest player in a very regional sport is of more importance than a very good player in a semi-regional, yet worldwide, sport. I would argue that one's very participation in a Winter Olympics is more likely to make that subject the primary topic over a player whose sport rarely receives coverage outside of Canada (with a bit in the US, but the NLL might not even be in the top-10 in media coverage of pro leagues, and less than NCAA). Your argument of greater long-term significance may indeed be true, but that is probably a topic to visit when both are not actually playing anymore. Yosemiter (talk) 20:50, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support: Hockey Tavares is far more famous and notable, currently, than lacrosse Tavares. The pageview stats (CLICK HERE TO SEE THEM) confirms this, as hockey Tavares receives several hundred (sometimes thousands) more views a day.Spilia4 (talk) 01:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per above support rationales. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 02:29, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Schetm. This is a classic example of where page views do not tell the whole story, even where the ratio appears large. As the greatest player in the history of his sport, and it's not a completely obscure sport either, the lacrosse player certainly enjoys a high claim for long-term significance, which is a very important part of our primary topic determination. As such, I think it best to treat them as co-equal primary, and have a dab page at the base name.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support The difference in notability between ice hockey and lacrosse is very large. Although the ice hockey Tavares is not the greatest ice hockey player ever, I believe he surpassed the lacrosse Tavares once becoming a star player in the NHL. The page views are somewhat transient. If the hockey Tavares career ends tomorrow, the situation could change again, but for now I support the change. Alaney2k (talk) 03:29, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Ice hockey is by far more significant and a more widely-known sport than lacrosse and a regular player in ice hockey could sometimes be more relevant than the greatest player in a sport like lacrosse. As evidenced by the page views, the ice hockey player is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Flooded with them hundreds 11:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2019

Please change the pictures in his Wiki to reflect that John Tavares is now a Toronto Maple Leaf. He is no longer a New York Islander and all his current pictures show his old team. Chadw01 (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, and, as such, we only use free content. Until an image of Taveres in his new uniform becomes available, we will continue to use the image that best identifies him. NiciVampireHeart 17:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2019

Changing John Tavares Photo from the current photo John Tavares 2018-03-03 19541.jpg to Captain-Tavares.jpg that has been uploaded already. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Captain-Tavares.jpg Arbszy (talk) 20:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: The image in question has questionable copyright status; Wikipedia policy prohibits the use of non-free content unless it satisfies the non-free content policy; a picture of a person in public doing their day job is very unlikely to pass the policy. Sceptre (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

 Note: I have nominated the photo in question for speedy deletion on Commons as a copyright violation. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:21, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2019

Change main photo to a recent photo with current team Benbran10 (talk) 00:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. This was your 10th edit, so you are now autoconfirmed. — MRD2014 (talk) 02:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020

Please change the main image for John Tavares to this image: https://imgur.com/kAU70zb

John Tavares has been with the Toronto Maple Leafs for over 2 years now (and is currently the captain of the team), so I feel that the main image should be him in a Toronto Maple Leafs uniform. Pennywise134 (talk) 13:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Not done: Your request consists only of a vague request to add, update, modify, or improve an image, or is a request to include an image that is hosted on an external site. If you want an image changed, you must identify a specific image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Please note that any image used on any Wikipedia article must comply with the Wikipedia image use policy, particularly where copyright is concerned. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2021

Change:

To:

Reason: The website changed its URL structure and added HTTPS connection. Rusted88 (talk) 14:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

References

 Done. Volteer1 (talk) 02:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Breaking News

He was severely injured and rolled out of Candians-Leafs. Sorry to rush, though. --2603:9000:A703:1EFD:3D42:7173:FFED:B6FA (talk) 00:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2021

On May, 20 2021, John Tavares was taken off the ice via a stretcher, after an accidental collision with Montreal Canadiens player Corey Perry. HockeyPlaya814 (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

 Already done — IVORK _Talk 03:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)