Talk:Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics

Yuval Freilich - Fencing

What does his win at the Epee Grand Prix event in Qatar do in terms of him qualifying for Paris? MaskedSinger (talk) 12:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Artistic Swimming - duets

Believe the duet made it - could someone please confirm and add. TIA. https://insidesynchro.org/2024-olympic-games-qualification/ MaskedSinger (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed. https://www.worldaquatics.com/news/3891106/artistic-swimming-at-the-paris-2024-olympics-qualified-noc-quota-positions MaskedSinger (talk) 08:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Calls to ban due to invasion of Gaza

There are sources needing to be covered in this page. Like [1], [2], [3] and [4]. --Mhhossein ^talk 21:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Politics and sport

I get that there's a need for some to besmirch Israel as much as possible and while we wouldn't want to deprive them of this opportunity - this page is about Israel's athletes and how they perform at the 2024 Olympics. If there are other issues that come up, they can be added to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Summer_Olympics#Participation_of_Israeli_athletes but i don't see any reason why it should be added to this page. Thoughts?? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Given what Thomas Bach just said - https://apnews.com/article/paris-olympics-ioc-bach-israel-russia-8b6005213cb0e680bf533c0454ece216 - there is no reason for this nonsense to stay here. If people feel the need to add it to Wikipedia they can add it to Concerns and controversies at the 2024 Summer Olympics. Knock yourself out. MaskedSinger (talk) 06:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, we are not waiting for verification by Thomas Bach from AP news or so. The page is not only on "Israel's athletes and how they perform at the 2024 Olympics." Controversies may always arise during the various incidents and unless they are not backed by reliable sources, they should not be excluded from the pages they belong to. The wholesale removal of a well sourced section which directly address the topic of Israel at the 2024 Olympic game. The suggested page by is also another suitable destination for the material under discussion. --Mhhossein ^talk 10:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Also there are other pages with similar sections (all good articles); Israel at the 2016 Summer Olympics#Controversy 2022 Winter Olympics#Concerns and controversies, 2008 Summer Olympics#Concerns and controversies. --Mhhossein ^talk 10:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

im not sure why this is so hard to understand.

1) the content is already on wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Participation_of_Israeli_athletes

There is no need for it to be here twice.

2) With regard to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics#Controversy, apart from the facebook thing, its about controversy that happened once the games started

3) Your double standards are atrocious. You stand behind well sourced content needing to stay...but yet when Thomas Bach comes out and says Israels participation at the Games isn't even a question, you dismiss it. (Personal attack removed)

But what I find interesting is that you haven't made any edits Iran at the 2024 Summer Olympics which shows that you don't care about sports or the Olympics. 99% of your edits since October 7 have been anti-Israel in nature (Personal attack removed). How would you think if I start editing pages about Iran and what not? You'd probably think same.

Ive got no interest in fighting or whatnot. What I care about is sport and Israel and so I enjoy editing this page. (Personal attack removed) MaskedSinger (talk) 17:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it is better if you avoid making personal attack against me. Whether I "care about sports or the Olympics" is not relevant to our discussion and you should not comment on the editors. Also referencing to "double standards" is another personal attack. I suggest you refer to Wikipedia policies and guidelines when discussing at the talk pages. See the following:

1-Well, that does not mean we should remove the content from other pages as long as it matches the topic and does not violate the WP core content policies.

2-This is not the only one instance, you may find more in my comments. So please don't remove them.

3-I don't dismiss Thomas Bach. I say we don't remove content because of his comments. You may even proceed to insert his comments in the article if it is backed by reliable sources.

4-This page is not only for Sport aspects of Israel participation in 2024 Olympics game. What ever the reliable sources publish regarding "Israel at 2024 Summer Olympics game" can be included here. Mhhossein ^talk 20:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to dignify your trolling with a response. What I will say is that it's great that you want to return to Old-fashioned Wikipedian values, it would be even better if you actually followed these values in practice. MaskedSinger (talk) 06:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger It is not a good language. Will you remove the personal attacks you just made against me? Calling others comments as "trolling" is way above the WP:PA threshold. But instead of going to admins, given the pervious warning I made, I prefer to ask you avoid it and remove your attacks. Also, you should not juge others behavior. Whether or not I abide by OFWV in practice, is not something you are encouraged to comment on. It can be another PA. --Mhhossein ^talk 21:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to go to admins. (Personal attack removed) MaskedSinger (talk) 22:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

So after you went to ANI and it went as expected, you're back to edit warring here....You have a clear COI in making the edits you're making here. As has been said to you repeatedly, the same content you're trying to add is on the Olympics controversy page. No need for it to be here as well and in the interests of making this a friendly, conflict-free place, you should just stop. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: You are again making personal attacks by accusing me of having COI. Anyway, is there any guidelines stating that the discussed content should only be used in Olympics controversy page? Your revert is just edit war in face of the policy-based arguments I raised. --Mhhossein ^talk 10:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Answering here for the benefit of @Bishonen as well :)

The content in question is WP:NOTNEWS. Some people suggested Israel be kicked out of the 2024 Olympics and the IOC very quickly and emphatically dismissed this. Done. Case closed.

Be that as it may, it's on Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Participation_of_Israeli_athletes but this isn't sufficient for Mhhossein who also wants to add it here, when there is no reason for it to be here. WP:INCONSIDERATE

This is where the question of optics comes into play - Mhhossein is a proud Muslim and proud Iranian who doesn't like Israel. This isn't an accusation but an observation based on his edits, especially since October 7. Nothing wrong hating on Israel - plenty do. Many israelis do! But when you have an agenda with your edits, it becomes an issue. Coming to an Israel-related page and adding questionable anti-israel edits again and again and again, even though the content is already on wikipedia is incendiary and provocative. It's a matter of Common sense

Now another editor may say, ok, it's already on wikipedia, if people are upset with me adding it in another place as well, in the interests of making wikkipedia a conflict free place, ill let this go. Otherwise its WP:POINT

That would be cool and we can all get on with our lives.

Salaam MaskedSinger (talk) 11:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger Please clarify. How is this a WP:COI rather than simple WP:Advocacy which says "Advocacy is closely related to conflict of interest, but differs in that advocacy is a general term for promotional and agenda-based editing, while conflict of interest primarily describes promotional editing by those with a close personal or financial connection to the subject."? {{WP:COI]] says "If a user's edits lead you to believe that they might have a COI (that is, if they have an "apparent COI"), and there has been no COI disclosure, consider first whether the issue may be simple advocacy. Most advocacy does not involve COI. Whether an editor is engaged in advocacy should first be addressed at the user's talk page, then at WP:NPOVN, the neutral-point-of-view noticeboard." Doug Weller talk 11:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Cause I didn't know about WP:Advocacy ;) not coi then. ignore and replace with advocacy. There's a lot more i dont know that i do! MaskedSinger (talk) 11:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

i apologise to you kind sir, Mhhossein. i said COI when i meant WP:advocacy. Please forgive my error. MaskedSinger (talk) 11:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

(After several edit conflicts.) Thanks, Doug Weller. Being a proud Muslim and a proud Iranian is by no means a COI, MaskedSinger. If you had looked at the links I gave you on your page, either WP:COI, or Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, you would know this. As for your thinking it would be cool if Mhhossein let it go, I expect he thinks it would be cool if you let it go. Material being already on wikipedia, as you point out in bold, is not per se a reason it shouldn't be in other articles on Wikipedia as well. It seems obvious that the material should indeed be at Concerns and controversies at the 2024 Summer Olympics (where it is now). That doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't also be here, preferably in shortened form, and with a reference to the fuller treatment at the Concerns and controversies article. That, with use of the {{main}} template, is extremely common on Wikipedia. You can look at the "Family" section at Donald Trump for an example. Bishonen | tålk 12:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC).

I don't understand what you're saying. Its not COI but it is WP:ADVOCACY and you just ignore this???? MaskedSinger (talk) 12:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll be frank: It's no more advocacy than your attempts to remove it are. The edit warring is not good (this edit summary of yours is doubleplusungood), and if it continues, I'll protect the article. It's a pity only the two of you are arguing about it here on talk. Either one of you could try the Third opinion, a lightweight dispute resolution form intended for just such cases as this. Or just try to achieve a compromise along the lines I have suggested (=with the {{main}} template). Bishonen | tålk 12:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC).

lol. i never wanted to argue! but he kept on re-adding it... MaskedSinger (talk) 12:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what's "lol" here. The edit warring? Your bad edit summary? The notion that you are equally guilty of advocacy? The idea of dispute resolution, or of compromise? Or did you just see the word "arguing" and ignore everything else I said? Bishonen | tålk 14:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC).

i think you've lost all objectivity here.

Equating what we did as analogous is silly and it's hard to take anything else you say seriously. MaskedSinger (talk) 14:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Bishonen for the clarifications. I tried to build consensus here but MaskedSinger's persistent personal attacks made the progress nearly impossible. You are correct with the notion that 3rd opinion could be tried. Also, I told him on 12 March that " [the existence of another suitable destination] does not mean we should remove the content from other pages as long as it matches the topic and does not violate the WP core content policies." I was willing to discuss the change! but he kept on removing it. I am going to restore the content based on the exchanged discussion taking the Concerns and controversies at the 2024 Summer Olympics into consideration. --Mhhossein ^talk 15:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• @Ilanmath: Can you say which policy or guideline supports your wholesale removal of content? You did not even come to the talk page before doing the removal. --Mhhossein ^talk 21:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I tweaked the language in the lede, but the stuff at the bottom is all WP:NOTNEWS and more so WP:ADVOCACY which hasn't been addressed at all! MaskedSinger (talk) 17:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

The version in the lead is suffering from neutrality issues. First because per MOS:OP-ED, the application of "despite" creates a synthetic contrast which is not supported by the sources. Secondly, the pervious version were giving due weight to both POVs (those calling for ban and those saying there will be no issue for the athletes). the call ban from the French lawmaker, for instance, is an important POV you removed. I will restore the former wording if you are not offering a neutral version.

As for the removal of the subsection on 'double-standard' accusations, can you say in what way WP:NOTNEWS or WP:ADVOCACY are applied? Please get sure you are familiar with the mentioned guidelines. --Mhhossein ^talk 22:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I have to applaud your Chutzpah in calling out neutrality issues.

You're great at citing every guideline under the sun, but are seemingly unaware of WP:ADVOCACY which you refuse to acknowledge or address. I'm not going to entertain any discussion with you until you do so. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I wished you had taken lessons from @Doug Weller and @Bishonen's comments regarding WP:ADVOCACY. Describing an editor as 'refusing' to "acknowledge or address" something, can be a comment on him/her, an act which is prohibited by WP:PA (maybe you can take it as the last warning). In my previous comment I explained why your version was a violation of WP:NPOV and I expected you to offer me a due response. I have to go back to the pervious version, unless you can contribute to reaching a compromise (as advised by Bishonen). --Mhhossein ^talk 21:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Mhhossein, I'm a little disappointed that you thanked me for my advice about Third opinion but haven't followed it. In a conflict where only two people are involved, and both have strong opinions, it's often difficult for them to reach a compromise on their own. That certainly seems to be happening here. Bishonen | tålk 21:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Thanks for the comment and sorry to hear you got disappointed. I highly welcome the 3rd opinion option but what is the merit when the other party is not even willing to give a response to my comment? I explained why his edit made the text POVish but the response was a reference to WP:ADVOCACY. --Mhhossein ^talk 22:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe I need to add that he removed a whole subsection. I showed my objection hoping to have the other party's feedback. Nothing yet, but 'advocacy' accusations. --Mhhossein ^talk 22:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The lede is not appropriate for this page. It does not follow wp:lede. Appears to be POV-driven unbalanced. Whoever wrote it may not know better - but they should read wp:lede. If they still act this way they are being disruptive. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D82E:65C4:B917:424D (talk) 01:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Double standard accusations against the IOC

@MaskedSinger: Let's have it here for an easier navigation of the discussions. You removed a subsection on 'double-standard' accusations. I asked you to explain in what way WP:NOTNEWS or WP:ADVOCACY could be applied. But your response was not an explanation. Your response can help building consensus over the inclusion/removal of the content. I don't think they should be removed on the basis of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:ADVOCACY. Advocacy is not relevant to the content dispute and notnews is not applicable simply because the content seems to have "enduring notability". --Mhhossein ^talk 22:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Shavua Tov!

Not sure if you know this, but there's a war going on - people are upset with Israel. They think Israel should be banned from the 2024 Games but they're not going to be.

So people are doubly upset about this. And this is your life's work?? To add it to Wikipedia??

What's going on here? Like what's really going on?

(Personal attack removed)

And then once the Games start this is going to change due to WP:UNDUE. So what actually is the point of it?

(Personal attack removed)

And sure I didn't talk nicely to you, but I was frustrated with how obtuse and passive aggressive you are. You have a staggering lack of self-awareness.

You went to ANI and were intellectually dishonest with what you posted there. Claiming this was all about another editor being uncivil to you. @Bishonen was the only editor to respond and you didn't get the response you like so you followed up on their page where once again, you didn't disclose all the facts. Then you misspoke for Bishnonen above.

Furthermore you love to use words like consensus and compromise, but when push comes to shove what you really mean is you getting your way.

I'm done giving you oxygen and making you feel relevant. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to see your PAs again. Things like "you have a staggering lack of self-awareness" are impolite and disappointing. Aside from the personal attacks, do you have any substantiated objections against inclusion of the content? --Mhhossein ^talk 16:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: you need to use more WP:CIVIL language or we'll end up at WP:AE. Your comments are unacceptable.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 22:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You're right that content on wikipedia is dynamic. And what is present on the page may indeed become WP:UNDUE once the coverage shifts (but also mind WP:RECENTISM). For now, though, most of the coverage in RS about Israel's participation is political. And we should reflect that. Do you have any suggestions for rewording that? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 22:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Judo

What happened to the judo section? Why was it removed? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Dispute: Removal of calls for ban on participation

Shauilr — Ilanmath: It's clear there's a dispute on whether the section § Calls for ban on participation should be included in the article. Shauilr has stated that the section should not be included in the article because it does not have anything to do with who is attending the Olympics, while Ilanmath hasn't given a reason. I contend that the section is warranted because the article's subject is Israel the country's participation in the Olympics, and reaction from the international community is relevant to the subject. So, rather than revert warring each other, let's discuss whether the section should be included or not here. Bowler the Carmine | talk 20:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The majority of the content about this should be on - Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Participation_of_Israeli_athletes

Where it is at the bottom of the page at the moment is good and it should stay there. Brief, straight to the point and link to the primary Concerns and Controversies page as it currently does.

During the Olympics there will be probably other controversies pertaining to Israeli's participation to add here and we don't need to turn this page into one long controversy - that's not what it's about.

I don't believe the bit about the double standards should stay on this page - it's just piling it on. There is no comparison to Russia and Israel. MaskedSinger (talk) 13:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I approve of the current placement of the section as it mirrors the structure of most political articles, where the reactions section is one of the last in the page. However, there is a comparison between Russia and Israel, all factionalism aside — one IOC member is invading another. Given that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is ongoing at the same time as Israel's invasion of Palestine, and that the double standard is currently the only controversy specifically mentioned in 2024 Summer Olympics § Concerns and controversies, the double standard accusation should at least remain mentioned in the article. Bowler the Carmine | talk 17:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

waitwhat?!? Hamas invaded Israel on October 7. Russia invaded Ukraine. Israel is retaliating for what happened on October 7 ie trying to destroy Hamas and rescue the hostages. It's not invading Palestine per say. It hasn't declared way against Palestine - it's declared it against Hamas. There is no Israel Palestine war. It's the Israel–Hamas war. Is Hamas an IOC member? Please stick to the facts. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Very well. Since October 7, there has been a full order of magnitude more Palestinian casualties than Israeli casualties, even if you trust Israel's numbers. The Hamas-run Gaza Strip is not the only part of Palestine to have been invaded by Israel, as the PLO-run West Bank has also been invaded unprovoked. Israel is blocking humanitarian aid to civilians in the Gaza Strip, according to the United Nations and Oxfam, causing a preventable famine and indirectly causing the death of thousands of Palestinian children. Is this better? Bowler the Carmine | talk 15:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to get into a debate with you. You said "one IOC member is invading another" and this is patently incorrect. Israel's war is with Hamas not with Palestinians. Everything else is just white noise. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Gaza Strip is very much part of the State of Palestine. Before the war, Gaza city was the biggest city in the State of Palestine, now it is in ruins.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 19:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Whether or not it should be included, it certainly should not swallow the beginning of the article. It is clearly tertiary. I urge for it to be place the long sections back where they were - not where they were just moved to the beginning. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:B9BB:592D:19D7:81B7 (talk) 05:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Individual Neutral Athletes at the 2024 Summer Olympics suggests a precedent for placing background at the beginning, though I am not familiar with the the history of the Olympics so I don't know where to begin looking for other sections that might support the precedent. Bowler the Carmine | talk 06:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

There seems to be 3 kinds of people editing here

1) People who love sports/the Olympics and love Israel.

2) People who love sports/Olympics. Don't care about Israel per say.

3) People who couldn't care less about sports/Olympics but love hating on Israel. Not that they shouldn't be able to edit this article or any other one, but they should be mindful of WP:ADVOCACY. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

This comment is very close to casting aspersions. Please make sure not to cross that line. Bowler the Carmine | talk 15:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

When it comes to casting aspersions, the deal is "An editor must not accuse another of misconduct without evidence."

I got plenty of evidence so this isn't an issue ;)

Thanks for your concern. MaskedSinger (talk) 20:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I concur the section should be placed in the bottom of the page. Bowler the Carmine's point about the AIN is misleading: Russia and Belarus WERE banned from participation, and the section on that article explains why it happened and what are "Individual Neutral Athletes". In contrast, Israel WASN'T banned from participation and there is no need to explain what "Israel" is. The section contains trivia that did not in fact affect the Israeli participation in The Games, and therefor should be place at the bottom of the article, if it should be included at all. CLalgo (talk) 09:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I did not intend to be misleading, but you are correct. While Israel may still be banned from the games (however unlikely that may be), leaving the section at the top in anticipation of a ban is WP:CRYSTAL. I agree that the section should be moved down unless Israel is sanctioned. Bowler the Carmine | talk 16:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Why would you think Israel would be sanctioned? For defending its citizens? MaskedSinger (talk) 20:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

"Why" is beside the point. There is a possibility they may be sanctioned, but it seems unlikely. Bowler the Carmine | talk 21:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Backgrounds typically belong at the beginning. Also, chronologically, the calls for boycott happened first.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 19:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

It clearly belongs in the article. We might want to shorten it, with a link to the Controversies article, but the material in general is appropriate and deserves a mention here. Unbandito (talk) 14:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

As there is a section in the article about Iran at these Olympics about this, there is no reason to conceal the calls for ban on participation here! 89.144.207.238 (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Sergey Richter

@Nimrodbr just qualified in shooting. Please add :) MaskedSinger (talk) 09:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

David Garchik

@Nimrodbr Believe he just qualified in the 200m back MaskedSinger (talk) 11:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Archery

@Nimrodbr 2 archers qualified! Roy Dror and Michaela Moshe Could you please do the honors :) MaskedSinger (talk) 06:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Equestrian

@Nimrodbr4 riders have been named. Don't know how it works in terms of which 3 compete. MaskedSinger (talk) 13:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

It should be publish soon which one is an alternate athlete. I think is Isabella Russekoff but I'm not sure. Nimrodbr (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok cool. Thanks for being on top of this. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

No consensus

@Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg: it doesn’t look like any consensus was reached to remove information on the war controversy from the article. Discuss it here before. Thanks. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 23:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed above. This is not the appropriate location. You are engaged in a tendentious edit war. Please review Wikipedia policies such as WP:NPOV.- ~~

Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 22:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

It has been discussed above and there is no consensus to remove information on the genocide. Your reply comes a bit too late though, I have opened a talk at WP:ANI. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like that matter was already closed as inappropriate. You should really take a deep breath or something.- ~ Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 22:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Read carefully and please avoid these sarcastic tones. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 22:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. You ran right to the admin noticeboard after initiating an edit war. You have expressed a serious belief that the word "vandalizing" refers to anytime someone disagrees with your edits. You have left a fraudulent 3RR warning on my talk page despite reverting more than I have. You have written extremely POV statements in your edit comments. These are the actions of someone that is terminally online and needs to take a deep breath and maybe get out of their bubble. There was no sarcasm. 100% serious that from my vantage point, you need to take stock in things.- ~ Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 23:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

You shouldn’t assume personal stuff about the real people who are behind users based on their online behavior, or pretend you want to give them advice while changing the subject. Because if I judged you from the same perspective, you would be the one who needs to get out of their bubble. Keep that for yourself next time, thanks. And take your time to read above that the removal of info has been opposed by a few editors and thus, until the matter is settled, no one has the right to remove it and expect others to just mind something else. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 23:15, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what you are talking about. I just posted factual context about your recent edits. I am not assuming anything about you outside of the Wikipedia project. My statement that you need to step back and take a deep breath is 100% based off of your conduct here rather than anything else. You accused me of being sarcastic, which was incorrect.- ~ Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 23:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Please seek consensus before removing longstanding content again.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 01:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

1- There previously was consensus; 2- It is not long standing content. I would reacquaint yourself with Wikipedia policies (and really just good wisdom) that relate to jumping into a dispute by making drive-by inaccurate statements. Otherwise, you open yourself up to accusations of laziness.- ~ Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 03:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

This discussion was had back in March, between @Mhhossein, @MaskedSinger, @Bishonen, @Doug Weller and myself. One one person opposed this content. What are your grounds on why this content, well sourced to RS, should not be included? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Given that the Games are winding down and not only has Israel participated but it's had it's best ever Olympics, this content should be at the bottom of the article, under triathlon. MaskedSinger (talk) 14:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Depends on what you mean by “best”. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 14:17, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Most medals. MaskedSinger (talk) 14:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Just took care of this :) MaskedSinger (talk) 14:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks for the ping, there was no consensus for removing such a well-sourced and relevant content. If they want to remove the content, then they need to build consensus for it. But before anything, the content should be restored. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
  • The removal of a large amount of sourced and relevant content is coming off as WP:IDONTLIKEIT. starship.paint (RUN) 14:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    Strange that suddenly after IvanScrooge initiated an edit war, half a dozen editors come out of the woodwork all in support of a position that is in clear violation of Wikipedia policies. All these mystery editors almost exclusively edit in the same hot button subject with the same obvious partisan bias. Almost as if there is some off-Wikipedia coordination or sockpuppetry (both of which are clear violations of Wikipedia policy). I despair in what this project has become.- ~ Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 15:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    @Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg That's both a personal attack and a show of bad faith. To accuse a CheckUser of socking is not a good idea, either retract or take us, or me, to ANI or SPI. Doug Weller talk 15:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    When I see a half dozen people I never heard of appear within hours of each other and all with identical positions, I point out how odd it is.- ~ Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 16:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    @Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg: this is just silly. You're acting as if it's some big mystery why there are suddenly a bunch of previously uninvolved editors here. But it's not, it's blindingly obvious why. The OP of this thread posted (legitimate IMO) concerns over your editing at ANI [5]. ANI is one of the most heavily watched pages on Wikipedia, so it's completely unsurprising when an ANI post, results in a lot of attention from regulars on an issue. Evidently those regulars are largely in opposition to your preferred version, It happens all the time, often in fact someone raises a complaint and receives an effective boomerang, even if not in sanction in terms of attracting others to the dispute who clearly oppose their preferred version. This isn't quite what happened here, but there's still nothing surprising. Guess why I'm here although I've never edited this page before, and mostly stay away from the A-I topic area? You should be aware of the timing of the ANI since you posted very early on at the ANI, and further ANI was mentioned by IvanScrooge98 in their first reply to you. [6] Nil Einne (talk) 23:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    In fact you said above "ran right to the admin noticeboard after initiating an edit war", so you were clearly perfectly aware of the timing. So your suggestion of something untoward is even more ridiculous. When taken with your belittling commentary on someone taking legitimate complaints to ANI, and your failure to observe 1RR, I expect you're very very close to earning an indefinite topic ban from the A-I CTOP area so I guess you cut this out right now and preferably apologise. Nil Einne (talk) 23:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    Like Starship, I wasn't aware you'd been blocked from this page. However I'll let my comment stand because I feel the first one at least may help someone who isn't very experienced with en.wikipedia understand why the accusation is so flawed. I'll strike the part which is partly alleviated by your block. Nil Einne (talk) 23:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    Excuse me? All I did was report your stubbornness and refusal to discuss to the admins. I would have been surprised if no one had intervened! ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 15:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    "Stubbornness and refusal to discuss." This seems to be a clear violation of WP: Personal Attacks. It is also a strange accusation to make considering the fact that you were wholesale reverting my edits just as much as I was doing with your edits. Your stated justification for doing so was because of a "genocide" which is indicative of a violation of WP: NPOV. Like me you also did not make any attempt to compromise and then made a quick comment essentially saying "I don't like that Moshe is disagreeing with me" about 5 seconds before you ran to the admin noticeboard. This seems to be a clear violation of Lifeskill: Introspection which you should occasionally follow less you look ridiculous.- ~ Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 16:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    I think you should take a closer look at WP:PA and WP:NPOV and get the sense of what they actually mean, because I’d expect someone who has been on the project for a long time to be more familiar with them. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 16:17, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    You seem to have an issue with faulty premises. This is similar to your earlier false accusation of vandalism. I assume your reasoning goes something like this-

    Moshe is accusing me of violating NPOV and PA

    I am not someone that violates these rules

    Therefore, Moshe is wrong. -Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 16:22, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

    It’s pretty obvious that it’s you who are trying to bring up PA and NPOV to invalidate my point that sourced content shouldn’t be removed against consensus. Not the other way around. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 16:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg: if the position you oppose is, as you say, a position that is in clear violation of Wikipedia policies, you should be able to easily explain how it violates policies. You have earlier mentioned NPOV on this talk page. Please prove, with reference to reliable sources, how policy is violated. Have we misrepresented reliable sources? Have we ignored a majority of reliable sources giving another position? Also, there hardly needs to be off-wiki or socking when this incident is plainly and publicly discussed on-wiki. starship.paint (RUN) 23:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• My bad. When I posted this I didn’t realise Moshe had been partially blocked from this article and can’t answer here. starship.paint (RUN) 23:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

What they were trying to apply NPOV to is the wording I used in the talk pages (whereby, admittedly, I did not conceal my stance on the topic), rather than the content of the article. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 23:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@IvanScrooge98: - please leave your own stance out in the future especially in contentious topics. It is irrelevant. starship.paint (RUN) 13:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 August 2024

Medal Name Sport Event Date

Silver	Inbar Lanir	Judo	Women's −78 kg	1 August
Bronze	Peter Paltchik	Judo	Men's −100 kg	1 August
Silver Raz Hershko Judo Women's 78+ kg 2 August EsZpRiA1 (talk) 15:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

 Already done This has been added to the page. Jamedeus (talk) 02:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Ban on soccer games

@Nimrodbr: Can you please explain in what way the content removed by you is not relevant to this page? Ban on soccer would directly affect the Olympic games where Israel were due to face three other teams. It is a partial ban on Olympic games. The adopted source makes such a connection, I believe, and there's no synthesis issue. --Mhhossein ^talk 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This is not relevant to the Olympic Games. The request submitted by the Palestinian Football Association is submitted every year at the FIFA Congress. The procedure that FIFA is still managing at this time does not explicitly refer to the Olympic Games but is a general and internal procedure of the federation. Furthermore, at no point in the procedure so far has there been an official from FIFA who has addressed how a decision, if made, will or will not affect the participation of the Israeli team at the Olympic Games. References to this are mainly speculations of commentators on a hypothetical case. Not every procedure to ban Israel from a specific sport relates to the games in Paris. Nimrodbr (talk) 15:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 September 2024

4 × 200 m freestyle relay team needs to be updated. Sp1dey ^💬 21:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

"Athletes" list on 4 × 200 m freestyle relay needs to be updated to Denis Loktev, Gal Cohen Groumi, Tomer Frankel, Bar Soloveychik. Check this page for detailed info. Sp1dey ^💬 19:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)