Talk:Hurricane Danielle (1998)

Delete

I nominate this article for deletion, though I'm not sure how to do it. The storm did not hit any landmass as a tropical system, and while it did hit the United Kingdom and do damage there, that could easily be put in the 1998 Atlantic hurricane season article. At the very least, this could be part of a Hurricane Bonnie (1998) article if it is ever made. Hurricanehink 18:11, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

If deleted it should be changed to a redirect to the 1998 season. The current article is barely long enough not to be considered a stub but most of the text is pretty useless. Jdorje 03:59, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hurricane_Danielle_%281998%29 CrazyC83 16:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Remake

I changed the title so that it refers to the 1998 Danielle for my article on the 1998 Danielle. I tried my best to create the Danielle article. Yes, perhaps it should be merged, though I tried hard to make this a good article. CapeVerdeWave 05:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, not bad, but you should have more from outside of the TCR. In the preparations section, you could include any tropical discussions that indicated a possibilty of a track further to the west (I.E. threatening land). Hurricanehink (talk) 02:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I added some more details and sources and fixed some errors. I found some more information, but is there any tips you can give me on how to improve the article's writing while adding more worthwhile information into it? Also, I have a feeling the long storm history section needs to be toned down, shortened, and be written better, and that the impact and preparation sections, as mentioned, need to be expanded. CapeVerdeWave 10:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

For the most part, you need more sources that aren't the TCR. The storm history should be shortened to 3 paragraphs; precursor to genesis, genesis to peak, post-peak to losing its identity (including extratropical storm part here). As for preparations, did North Carolina take any precautions due to Danielle following just a week after Bonnie? Impact, ideally, could be divided up between Bermuda/US/Canada as one section and Britain as another. I include Canada in there because, according to the CHC, Danielle produced strong waves. Also, as a bit of trivia, this site says that hurricane researcher Jose Partagas had its ashes spread out through the hurricane. Hopefully you can think of a way of expanding. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips. I'll try to improve the article in the ways you mentioned when I'm ready. I am relatively new at this, and I did read the tips Wikipedia gives. Again, thanks. CapeVerdeWave 11:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I toned down a lot of the technical information taken straight from the TCR. There were some redundancies and all of the intensities should be mentioned in mph, not knots. Knots are only informative to the Navy, shipping, and people who do a lot of boating. bob rulz 17:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm leaving it at start class only because it is entirely based on the TCR. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Danielle (1998)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 19:13, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

• "Initially a tropical depression, favorable conditions allowed it to be Tropical Storm Danielle later that day" - kinda wonky wording.
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• "favorable conditions allowed for strengthening into Tropical..." would work better IMO.
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• "with Danielle peaking with winds of" - avoid one of the "with"s
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• "However, thereafter" - pick one of these words, not both
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• "Additionally, Danielle crossed seas in the wake of Hurricane Bonnie, also contributing to weakening." - the "additionally" and "also" seem redundant.
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• The structure of the lede is confusing. The first para seems like MH, and then so does the second, but then the second also deals with impact earlier in its history. You should either keep everything chronological, or just have a separate impact paragraph.
  • Could you address this? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
• According to the track map, the remnants didn't quite reach the British Isles, despite what the lede says. Maybe say "approached the British Isles"?
  • And this? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
• The infobox should probably use the extratropical dissipation date, and then say something like (extratropical after September 3)
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
• "In Bermuda, although the storm passed safely to the northwest, tropical storm force winds were reported on the island" - no need to say "on the island" when you already say "in Bermuda".
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
• "Throughout its path, Danielle caused only $50,000 (1998 USD) in damage" - that's not quite true, since it's only based off one known damage total.
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
    • Ehh, but you already mention the $50,000 in Puerto Rico. I don't think you have to say it again, considering you don't have any other damage totals. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
• "A tropical wave – which was accompanied by disorganized convection – emerged into the Atlantic Ocean from the west coast of Africa on August 21." - don't think the dashes are appropriate. Why not use commas?
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
• "with tropical storm force winds spanning only 115 miles (185 km) from the center" - this is confusing. Is that a radius or diameter? The "from the center" implies radius, but spanning suggests otherwise.
  • What was the verdict? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
• "The National Hurricane Center noted shortly thereafter that the eye was probably embedded in an asymmetrical area of deep convection." - what does that even mean?
  • The eye had disappeared from satellite imagery, but may have been embedded within deep convection.--12george1 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
    • Could you explain that a bit better in the article? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
• "though post-analysis indicates that at intensity of the storm was underestimated." - is there something missing here?
  • Nothing was missing, there was just a grammar error.--12george1 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
• "reconnaissance aircraft observations on August 29 concluded that the structure of Danielle improved since the previous day, August 28." - no need for the "August 28"
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
• "Six hours later" - from when? There is no reference to time in the previous sentence.
  • Fixed--12george1 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
• Can you try finding some more impact in the UK?
  • Much better now! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:13, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

On an account of how long it's taking, I have to fail it. Sorry George. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Danielle (1998)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TheAustinMan (talk · contribs) 01:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello, TropicalAnalystwx13, I will be reviewing Hurricane Danielle (1998). TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 01:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• "Tracking generally west-northwestward, the disturbance was disorganized initially..." I think you should flip 'initially' and 'disorganized' around to keep the flow of the clause.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• You could link wind shear.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "...low-grade Category 1 hurricane..." I wouldn't define the intensity of a hurricane within its respective classification as grades. I would consider using 'low-end,' as is typically used in NWS tornado reports.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "As the cyclone reached the western periphery of the ridge that steered it across the Atlantic for all of its existence..." Are you sure that the ridge was responsible for all of its motion? Case in point in the MH: "On August 31, the anticyclone near Bermuda caused Danielle to curve northeastward, away from the East Coast of the United States."
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "...a peak intensity equivalent to that of a Category 2 hurricane." since the SSHWS was already in usage I would cut out the 'equivalent' part.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "...but for a final time attained intensified..." Use either attained or intensified, but not both.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "...considered a tropical cyclones..." One storm was no longer considered a plural form of its own self? TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 01:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Meteorological history

• "The origins of Hurricane Danielle track back to a tropical wave..." I think you intended 'trace' and not 'track,' as I don't think the usage of track is appropriate in this context.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "Tracking west-northwestward, the National Hurricane Center (NHC) began Dvorak satellite intensity estimates later that morning following the consolidation of convection..." You should link the Dvorak satellite intensity part.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "...southern periphery of the Azores HIgh..." Holding the shift key a little bit too long there?
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "...periphery of an anticyclone..." Please link anticyclone.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "Despite an apparently favorable environment..." You should add 'being in' between 'despite' and 'an' since the storm was located there at the time.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "...reconnaissance aircraft suggest that Danielle was beginning to intensify." Wrong tense-usage of 'suggest.'
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "...as a shortwave trough located..." Link shortwave.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "Danielle reached its minimum barometric pressure of 960 mbar (28 inHg)..." Please do not use the convert template for pressures, since it rounds the inches of mercury units to the nearest ones - 960 mbar is 28.35inHg. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 01:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Preparations and impact

• "...this was later cancelled after Danielle passed northeast of the island." According to the meteorological history and TCR itself, this was cancelled after Danielle passed northwest of the island.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "The outerbands of Danielle..." Space missing between 'outer' and 'bands.'
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "Hurricane Bonnie ripped an artificial reef composed of tires offshore Atlantic Beach, North Carolina in late August. Danielle washed numerous loose tires ashore, especially on Emerald Isle." What is the purpose of the first sentence? The second sentence is sufficient by itself, though you could probably merge some of the locational information from the first sentence to the second.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "waves heights..." You mean 'wave heights.'
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• "An 11 year old boy..." Could use a hyphen.
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

References and Other Notes

• The Storm Data Reference (#19) is a dead link. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 01:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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