Talk:Hamad City

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 00:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Hamad City was largely destroyed within minutes?

• Source: Around an hour later, five Israeli air strikes rained down on the neighbourhood in the space of just two minutes. Bombs slammed into the pale apartment blocks one by one, reducing them largely to rubble and sending a huge pall of black smoke into the sky, as people fled and cries of 'help!' and 'ambulance!' rang out. France 24

• ALT1: ... that Colonel Yonatan Steinberg's army-issued weapon was found in Hamad City along with the personal effects of Israeli abductees? Source: The weapon of the commander of the Nahal Brigade who was killed at the beginning of the war, Colonel Yonatan Steinberg, was found in recent days by the commando brigade in 'Hamad City' in Khan Yunis. Along with the weapon of the senior officer, the fighters located effects of Israeli abductees. jdn.co.il (Hebrew translation); Source 2: In one of the nearby buildings, the personal weapon of the late Nahal Commander Yehonatan Steinberg, who was killed in a clash on October 7 was found. Israel Hayom
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Clark House (New Zealand)
• Comment: I personally prefer ALT0. After carefully re-reading the source (and watching the video linked in the article) I am proposing the following ALT in place of ALT0:

• ALT0a: ... that five Hamad City apartment buildings were destroyed in the space of just two minutes? Havradim leaf a message 12:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Created by Havradim (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Havradim leaf a message 23:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I see no evidence of instability. ALT0 is best but may need context as in "Hamad City in Gaza" but I will leave that to a promotor. ALT0a is not confirmed as it says, five airstrikes but not five buildings. I also did not find ALT1 interesting. Lightburst (talk) 23:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:ERRORS

The DYK came up at WP:ERRORS when posted and the discussion was:

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... that Hamad City in Gaza was largely destroyed within minutes?

This supposed fact is not clearly stated in the article. The nomination indicates that it's referring to airstrikes in December 2023. It appears that about 5 apartment blocks were destroyed on that occasion but the complex had about 50 and so was not "largely destroyed". Most of it must have remained because there was a subsequent Battle of Hamad in which 100 buildings were cleared and that took two weeks. A source from that article has photos which seem to show intact apartment blocks still standing at that time – March 2024. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@DYK admins: This should be pulled immediately. Spreading disinformation about the Israel-Hamas war is not a good look. It appears that the nominator Havradim noticed the mistake and offered a corrected hook [1], but Lightburst rejected this and approved the original. I wouldn't recommend a hasty swapping out of hooks though; ALT0a should get a proper review before being used. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 07:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Note that the nominator effectively identified the issue as they proposed a modification to the hook based on a "closer reading". That modification was rejected and it is surprising that the unmodified hook was then run as it was clearly erroneous. (edit conflict) Andrew🐉(talk) 07:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

 Pulled. Yes, this seems to have been a basic fact checking error, the article text (and the source) don't say what the hook says at all. The reviewer noted that there was a slight inaccuracy between the five airstrikes reported, and the five buildings mentioned in ALT0a, but then went back and approved ALT0, which the nominator had already noted did not match the sourcing, after reviewing again. I'd think as Soujourner says, maybe a modified version of ALT0a matching the wording used in the article would be best here. If this doesn't get reinstated today, I'd suggest giving the nom another chance another day, as I don't think the nominator was at fault for this. Also pinging @SL93 and Z1720: too, as promoter and admin. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for acknowledging my efforts to get everything right. How about if we simply edit the hook to read "... that Hamad City in Gaza was largely destroyed within minutes during the Israel–Hamas war?" It's not as if there exists any doubt that the neighbourhood was in fact largely destroyed, correct? If anyone is really not sure about this, I encourage them to watch the embedded videos in this link. Maha Thaer, a resident of Hamad who is quoted in the article, said that "We don't have a city any more, only rubble. There is absolutely nothing left ... There were no walls or windows. Most of the towers were completely blown up." [2] Havradim leaf a message 10:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

No, this is not a definite fact. The reporting in March has a quote "This neighborhood looks nice..." There was then more fighting and devastation but now it appears that residents like Maha Thaer are returning and taking stock. The war is still ongoing and so we don't have a conclusion yet. Viewing videos to form a provisional conclusion would be original research from primary sources. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, Thaer did say that most of the towers were completely blown up. But if we cannot take her word for it, how about – "... that Hamad City was turned into ruins as a result of the Israel–Hamas war?" Quote: "Hamas senior officials and their families moved into this new and opulent neighborhood, which then turned into ruins after the IDF entered as part of the ground operation to dismantle Hamas terror infrastructure in the area." [3] (added to the article) Havradim leaf a message 12:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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