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The article title should be changed to reflect the correct Ukrainian transliteration. The correct spelling is Kuz'menko. The current Kouzmenko is more of a French version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kairos1919 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the query @Kairos1919. I looked through my sources on the subject, and all of them use the spelling "Kuzmenko", so I have dropped the "o" from the surname and moved the article. Grnrchst (talk) 11:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Green mini-review

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For the Women in Green Good Article Editathon.

  • Copyvio check - no issues from a review using Earwig's Copyvio Detector. I haven't checked print sources.
  • Images - good selection of relevant images, which are public domain. I don't think MOS:SANDWICH is an issue. Images could have descriptive MOS:ALT text added.
  • "she had become his wife" - I prefer a formulation like "she had married him" but not something that is a blocker to being a GA.
  • Prose seems OK - typically reviewers will make some suggestions.
  • Most sources look fine, but Black Cat Press appears to be primarily a print shop. A reviewer may ask about that one.
  • The article appears to be appropriately referenced - I didn't do any spot checks though.
  • No big problems with breadth, depth or neutrality that I could see.

In all, I think it's ready for a GA nomination. Thanks for your work, Grnrchst. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review @BennyOnTheLoose. Just so you know, the reason the bit about Kuzmenko being Makhno's wife is phrased like that is because they weren't formally married - as they opposed the institution. See the good article review on Nestor Makhno for context.
Cheers again. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Passed. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 15:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]


GA review
(see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):
    b (citations to reliable sources):
    c (OR):
    d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):
    b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
    b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail:

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  • Copyvio check - no issues with online sources found when using Earwig's Copyvio detector.
  • There are several duplicate links. (MOS:DUPLINK - I use the duplinks-alt sidebar tool linked there to check for these.) Examples: Red Army, Poland, Galicia, Kyiv.
  • There are some more: Ukrainian language, Nestor Makhno, Revolutionary Insurgent Army

Biography

  • Lead has 'Agafya "Halyna"' but the body has just 'Halyna'. I don't have access to the Patterson source, how is Kuzmenko's name given there?
  • She's commonly known as "Halyna". The name "Agafya" was her given name at birth. Patterson 2020 mostly uses simply "Halyna", but in the case of her birth it says "Agafia (Halyna) Andriivna Kuzmenko was born 9 January 1897 in Kyiv." How should I rectify this? --Grnrchst (talk) 16:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd suggest either a referenced footnote giving her birth name, or amending the body text to something like something like "...Agafya Andriivna Kuzmenko, later known as Halyna Andriivna Kuzmenko, was born in Kyiv..."

Revolutionary activities

  • "Like her new husband, who was commonly known throughout southern Ukraine as Batko (English: Father), Kuzmenko was bestowed the honorific of Matushka" - needs a slight tweak to show that her huband didn't also have the honorific Matushka (e.g. Kuzmenko was bestowed an honorific, Matushka"
  • I think that it would be helpful to summarise briefly what Makhnovshchina was.

Exile

  • "she was given the cold shoulder" seems a bit informal

Controversy around alleged diary

  • No issues.

References/Bibliography/Further reading

  • What makes the translation of Kontrrazvedka by Archibald a reliable source? Judging by their website, Black Cat Press seems to be primarily a print shop.
  • If you're worried about the reliability of Azarov 2008, then I'm more than happy to remove it. The only times it is cited in the text is alongside the more clearly reliable Sysyn 1977, so nothing of value would be lost in its removal. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spot checks on "a number of teachers from her own hometown even being executed by the Red Army for their Makhnovist sympathies" (Skirda) - OK.
  • Excerpt from Skirda 2004, p. 318:

    In a civilian capacity, a number of teachers took part in the Makhnovist movement and in its social and economic organizational ventures. Some of them paid dearly for this; Galina Kuzmenko quotes the case of the brothers Yefim and Daniel Marutsenko, as well as Daniel's wife - all three teachers in Pestshanybrod, the town where Galina was born - who were shot by the Reds in the summer of 1919 on account of their Makhnovist beliefs.

    --Grnrchst (talk) 16:58, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spot check on "During this period, the couple frequently argued and Makhno even accused Kuzmenko of having had an affair with their co-defendant Ivan Khmara" (Darch 2020) also OK. (Like with the Skirda check, page numbers are different, as different editions were checked.)
  • Excerpt from Darch 2020, pp. 137-138:

    It seems that Makhno’s relationship with Kuz’menko had deteriorated under the strain of such events, with frequent quarrels, during which he accused her of having an affair with Khmara. The Russian historian Golovanov writes of her that:
    "There was no peace in her, but there was unremitting passion and an explosive personality – just the woman needed for the years of struggle. When the war ended, her relationship with Makhno went bad, and, although she bore him a daughter, the family fell apart. They split up and reunited; she had affairs … in public [Makhno’s] wife was often harsh with him, and it seemed … that she had never loved him, and ended up with him only because she was flattered to be the wife of the most powerful chieftain in Ukraine. He, oddly enough, was a faithful husband … even though at the height of his fame he could have taken any lover."

    --Grnrchst (talk) 09:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further reading: You could add a 'trans-title=' parameter for works with titles in languages other than English, if one isn't already populated.
  • Further reading: Looks like there are no easily-findable further details for the Chop item. (No action required here.)

Infobox and lead

  • I think that it would be helpful to summarise briefly what Makhnovshchina was here too.
  • The comma after "in 1921" seems to make the sentence a bit choppy, but it's optional to remove it.

Images

  • Placement and captions are OK. Although MOS:ACCIM says "Avoid placing images on the left hand side as a consistent left margin makes reading easier.", the number of images used, which add to the article's value, mean that having some on the left seems a better option here.
  • alt text could be added per MOS:ALT. I received some useful guidance about Alt text at Wikipedia:Peer review/Fatima Whitbread/archive1

A very interesting article, Grnrchst. Thanks for your efforts. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: Thank you for reviewing this! --Grnrchst (talk) 10:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria, so am passing it. Nice work, Grnrchst. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 19:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Self-nominated at 16:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Grnrchst: Good article. However, I feel as if the hooks could be a little more interesting. Could you make some better hooks? Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:34, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Ok, should I rewrite the above hooks to be more interesting or write new ones based on other sections of the article? --Grnrchst (talk) 17:38, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You could do either it doesn't really matter. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Grnrchst: Actually, try to rewrite the hooks to be more interesting. I feel as if that could be possible. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:56, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Onegreatjoke: Ok, I rewrote the existing hooks and just for safety added a couple others. Let me know what you think. --Grnrchst (talk) 07:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Grnrchst: Hooks are much better. just one question, is this one of your first 5 nominations? Onegreatjoke (talk) 12:30, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Onegreatjoke: Yes, this is my second nomination after Going to the People. (Third including Elite panic, although I didn't nominate that one myself) --Grnrchst (talk) 12:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Grnrchst: Alright, approving in good faith. Onegreatjoke (talk) 12:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Onegreatjoke: you can use the DYK toolbox's "QPQ checker" to figure out how many credits someone has (wouldn't count for failed noms, but hey) :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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