Talk:Golden Banana

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I see this has been de-prodded (which is fair enough; it has a page history that should be preserved, at least). But I think it needs more in the reference dept than some vague allusions to the “many analysts” who argue its existence. Who are they? And if it’s so well known, why are the only hits on Google for boutiques and strip clubs? And where is it? One source reckons it includes the departement of Aube; another that it stretches down from Bristol.
And whatever it is it isn’t a conurbation; a conurbation is where two (or more) cities have grown to merged into one another (like Leeds and Bradford, or Los Angeles and San Diego) some of the area indicated here has less people per square mile than Norfolk. Moonraker12 (talk) 15:58, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A "Google test" is a fairly blunt and unsophisticated approach to finding discussion of a technical term, and your dislike of this seems based on personal incredulity. Try looking at Google Scholar for instance. If different sources claim different areas are so-called "Golden Bananas", that doesn't mean we can't write about them. And if "conurbation" is the wrong word, edit it (I've done so). Another source: "A secondary belt of urban activity, a `European sunbelt' or `golden banana', stretches from Madrid and Barcelona across Provence to Northern Italy."[1] It is also discussed in William Lever, Antoine Bailly: The spatial impact of economic changes in Europe, Chapter 7: "The European regional dimension" (Studies of Science in Europe, European Science Foundation Series). Avebury, 1996. ISBN 1856286118. I think the original report was Europe 2000: outlook for the development of the community's territory : communication from the Commission to the Council and the European Parliament, Volume 27. Commission of the European Communities. Directorate-General for Regional Policy, 1991, ISBN 9282633187. We should at least merge to Blue Banana as the sources explicitly compare this lesser known Golden Banana to that better known area. Fences&Windows 19:09, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On the subject of changing the word if I don't agree with it: If I knew a word that described "a discontinuous string of places with a higher population density than their surroundings" I'd put it in, but I don’t (probably just my ignorance); the word that does spring to mind is "chimera".

And the GB isn't really any kind of entity at all (it's not an official appellation) or even the common name of some entity (I doubt anyone in this region calls it this; except maybe town planners); it is a term used by some analysts to denote a vaguely defined area according to a particular (somewhat arbitrary) criterion. So I've put that in. (The rest of what I would put is here, but I thought I'd discuss it first).

Also, if a merge is on the cards, it’d make as much sense (more, considering the page history) to merge to Donkey Kong 64.

Thanks for bringing up google scholar (I didn’t know about that) but the sources there were much the same as in g- books and g- search (eventually); there aren't that many of them and from what I've seen they don’t say any more ( in fact say somewhat less) than what the article says at the moment. So if you have more information about what sets this region apart from those around it (particular industries, cross-border initiatives, socio-economic factors, whatever) please do add it; I couldn’t find it. (What is the source for the claim about a centre for IT and manufacturing, BTW? The CENTOPE report doesn't mention it, nor does what I can see of the Eskelinen book).

I would say it'd be useful to have an article on metropolization; then we could fold in this and the blue banana article to it, as well as anything about North of the South, Europe of Grapes, the European Pentagon and whatever.

And you might want to take a look at Blue Banana, as most of what is there at the moment ought to go as well. Moonraker12 (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm working on the Blue Banana article, trying to sift through different sources. I'm not finding much about the Golden Banana in Geza et al., which is referenced here. Still, that source is a book, rather than a journal, and I will edit that here. In their book, on pg. 3 there is a diagram referring to the area of the Golden Banana as the "Sunbelt Zone", which they attribute to (an)other author(s). I believe it would be preferable to cite the original source directly, from a direct part of this article's text, rather than some unconnected reference at the bottom of the page, which only vaguely hints at the idea using a different name. But maybe I need to read through that source more thoroughly. DrMichaelWright (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]