Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 1997

Romania?

I feel like this ought to be looked into: according to EBU rules at the time, countries have to have at least broadcast the previous year's contest prior to the next one in order to be eligible to participate the following year. We now have clarity regarding at least a few countries who previously appeared not to have broadcast the contest the year before they came back somehow (Israel showed 1997 on delay, Lithuania showed 1998 on delay, Latvia showed 1999 live, etc). The only question it leaves up in the air is if Romania broadcast the 1997 contest. They were allowed to return in 1998, but no broadcaster is listed on the 1997 page, and all the other 1998 returnees/debutants (Belgium, Finland, Israel, North Macedonia, and Slovakia) are listed as having shown it at some point. Wouldn't that indicate they showed 1997 at some point? Otherwise, how were they allowed to return? (I feel like the way Slovakia got away with it in 1996 was due to the change in rules and Italy in 1997 because of their average score, but I can't be sure there either.)--BugsFan17 (talk) 17:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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This page ain't lookin too good chief 147.219.5.118 (talk) 04:00, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: rejected by Cowlibob (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Israel withdrew from Eurovision 1997 because the date of the final was set for the eve of the Holocaust Memorial Day? (Source: Eurovision.tv)
  • ALT1: ... that Irish boy band Boyzone were the interval act in Eurovision 1997 and their lead singer Ronan Keating co-hosted the evening? (Source: Eurovision.tv)
  • ALT2: ... that Televoting was introduced for the first time in 1997 in the United Kingdom, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland and Germany and it would be extended to almost all participating countries in the following 1998 contest? (Source: Eurovision.tv)
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Improved to Good Article status by Sims2aholic8 (talk). Nominated by DSOFOreverTYU (talk) at 19:15, 27 November 2022 (UTC).

Comment: This article is currently going through the WP:GAN process. I am the main contributor to this article and nominator for GA review however I did not nominate for DYK as I was waiting to achieve GA status. I believe this nomination should be rejected given it does not currently pass the DYK criteria, however given my proximity to the article I will leave the final decision of this nomination to another user. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Not eligible at this time - Just to provide some context, the article was reviewed here and tagged as a GA, but due to concerns with the review of the article was reverted per a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#Issue regarding a new reviewer. The article is not currently a GA and has not been expanded 5x within the past 7 days before its nomination at DYK. It does not currently meet the eligibility criteria at WP:DYKCRIT. - Aoidh (talk) 03:56, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 1997/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lajmmoore (talk · contribs) 18:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I'll work on reviewing this article over the next few days Lajmmoore (talk) 18:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Review

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Section x section criteria review

Section	Criteria 1	Criteria 2	Criteria 3	Criteria 4	Criteria 5	Criteria 6
Lead	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Location	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Production	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Format	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	n/a
Participating countries	The final sentence "Countries using televoting ... from being used." could benefit from clarification, as I don't quite understand it Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Might be nice to include some images of other acts performing if they are available? Y
Detailed voting results	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Is there an image of a spokesperson from the event? Y
Broadcasts	Y	Check the one I added - I assume it will be outlined in the rules? Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Other awards	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Notes and references	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y

Comments

Thanks very much @Sims2alholic8: for nominating a very thorough article. In my review of the criteria as it stands, there is very little to improve. However, I think the article would really benefit from an additional section, or further content about the legacy of the contest. I'm British and vividly remember the 1997 contest, and I would expect by now there to be quite a lot of cultural analysis of the event. I did a short source for a few sources, and these might be useful: Chris West, this on politics, this argue UK acts got more diverse and this seems to argue 1997 was a turning point for Eurovision and queerness? I expect you'll know more about the topic than me, but I really think including more cultural analysis and legacy of the contest would be beneficial. Many thanks for your hard work on the nomination Lajmmoore (talk) 19:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: Thanks very much for picking this one up! I've gone through the table above and made the necessary changes you've requested. From an image perspective I have done as best as I can with what is available on Commons; as it is a 25 year old contest free images of the actual contest are nigh on impossible to find, as much as I would love to include them myself, but your request did get me thinking about some additional things to include. As for the legacy section, that's actually quite a good idea and I'll start working on that straight away! I'll loop in back here once it's ready for review. In the meantime if you have any further comments or improvements please do let me know. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:11, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Sims2aholic8 - I absolutely take your point about the images - the 1990s can be so hard to illustrate. I did stumble across this image of Debbie Scerri - is that her at the 1997 event? Commons isn't my strong point though. Looking forward to reading the legacy section! Lajmmoore (talk) 11:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: Thanks for flagging that image. That is from the 1997 event, however it looks to me like it's a screengrab from the televised broadcast, so it's actually highly likely that this breaks copyright and I will label as such for an admin to review. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I did wonder, but couldn't work out how to check the metadata. Lajmmoore (talk) 12:11, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: Legacy section is now ready for review. I think I've covered the main points with regards to how the 1997 event has shaped the modern contest, but if there's anything you think I should take another look at then do let me know. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:14, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Sims2aholic8 thanks so much. I'll have time later this week, or early next week, to look at it and do the reviewers template. Lajmmoore (talk) 18:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Thanks so much for your hard work on the article @Sims2aholic8 - I've now reviewed the edits I suggested, and looked through the new legacy section and believe it meets all the GA requirements. Lajmmoore (talk) 17:42, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 13:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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Paul Oscar

• ... that Paul Oscar (pictured), Iceland's participant at the Eurovision Song Contest 1997, was the contest's first openly LGBT artist to compete? Source: How Eurovision became a gay-friendly contest
  • ALT1: ... that the Point Theatre in Dublin, venue of the Eurovision Song Contest 1997, was evacuated during rehearsals to prevent disruption to the event from loyalist paramilitaries? Source: #EurovisionAgain travels back to Dublin 1997 Security Tight as Point Theatre Prepares
  • ALT2: ... that televoting was first introduced to the Eurovision Song Contest as part of a trial during the 1997 event, leading to widespread adoption by most participating countries from 1998 onwards? Source: #EurovisionAgain travels back to Dublin 1997 Dublin 1997
  • ALT3: ... that televoting was first introduced to the Eurovision Song Contest as part of a trial among five countries during the 1997 event? Source: #EurovisionAgain travels back to Dublin 1997
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Woman to Woman (campaign)

Improved to Good Article status by Sims2aholic8 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:05, 20 December 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Sims2aholic8: good article. Though, you should get rid of the redirect caused by Loyalist paramilitaries. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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