Talk:East Bengal Club/Archive 1

Archive 1

Badge

The club badge appearing on this site is the old one. A new, very similar one, has been released incorporating Kingfisher-a sponsor, into the badge and removing the words calcutta..

Please change the players name format.

Done. --Victor D ^PARLE 17:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

General style and contents

Contributors please refer to WikiProject Football clubs. Also see this page (very helpful one) which details out the proposal for the general style and contents of an article on a football club. This page is a part of WikiProject on Football. --Victor D ^PARLE 18:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Kit colours

Would someone PLEASE change the kit from black to the famous red and gold. I am inexperienced and do not understand nor know the colour codes.

Almost done. ǽ should be credited for that. Victor D ^PARLE 21:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks, Victor : -- ǽ —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnalEyes (talk • contribs)

I would prefer opinions from all fans and others who visit here on whether the home or the away colours are looking better and brighter and "truer". Please note that the right-arm sleeve's gold band colour would need to be rectified a bit too. Could your opinions come in here by the end of this month (Sep 2006) please ? You may leave your name with your preference of home or away colours, and any other comments you would like to make. Thanks, in advance. --ǽ 15:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Edited a bit, like the fr:East Bengal Club and de:East Bengal Club. I am not sure about the away colours.

Minor details if any may can be ignored. There is a white band in between arm sleeves and the body. Their socks are patterned in two parts too. Its not easy to include all minute details. Remember, it is not supposed to be an accurate drawing of the kit(Template_talk:Football_kit#Creating_a_new_pattern). --Victor D ^PARLE 04:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Recent squad updates

I've updated the Coach's name in the infobox from de Ridder to Pareira. Someone please update the squad since there has been changes like Baichung Bhutia. --Victor D ^PARLE 22:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Victor D ^PARLE 17:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be some discrepancies in the squad list posted here, and on the comment just below (unsigned), and on the official site. Why are M Suresh and Luis De'Souza missing? What is the status with Raju Singh and Mohd. Mukhtar? Anybody to clarify please?

--ǽ 16:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I've updated the squad-list from the KEB Squad List page --ǽ 11:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

According to [1] and [2] new Brazilian players Daniel Carlos Jorge (MF) and Thiago S. Ferreira Da Costa (striker) have joined the squad. But they've not updated the official list yet. Please report any discrepancies of the article squad list. --Victor D ^PARLE 06:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

History

East Bengal's History should be mentioned in the page also. Someone who has a good idea aboout it please create the history section Simianwolverine 01:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio

Entire history section was copied from the club site http://eastbengalfootballclub.com/club/ -- Whpq 18:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC) Enire Achiements section copied from http://eastbengalfootballclub.com/club/achievements.asp -- Whpq 18:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio material has been removed.--Victor D ^PARLE 23:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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Current Squad

GK=sandip nandy,jayanta paul,gurpreet singh sandhu,abhra mondol,devjit majumdar.

Defence=Uga Okpara,gurwindar singh,nirmal chetri,raju gaekoad,dipak devrani,abhisek das,sunil kumar thakur,saumik day,robert,sunil kumar junior,naoba singh,ravindar singh,saikat saha roy.

Midfield=mehtab hussain,penn orzi,alvito dicunha,harmanjot singh khabra,sushant mathew,sanju pradhan,r.vasum,khemtang paite,charan rai,subodh kumar singh,milan singh,biokhokhei.

Striker=Tolgey ozbey,baljit singh saini,robin singh,budhiram tudu.

Coach=Armando Colaco,atanu bhattacharya(GK coach),alvito dicunha(assistant coach) Team Doctor: Dr. S R Dasgupta

Physiotherapist: Rajesh Basak — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.36.147 (talk) 04:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Honors

In this section under international segment it is written "International- AFC Cup- Semifinalist 2012-13". Well generally in this section we get to see the trophy that particular club has collected..so reaching semifinal is not a trophy infact in the East Bengal club's official website(http://eastbengalfootballclub.com/trophy.php) it not there in the trophy room section. So according to me it should not be out there in the honor section.If i am wrong please correct me with proper logic.Souvickchatterjee (talk) 18:43, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Infobox and Leading Paragraph

The intro paragraph is poorly written with no care given to the data accuracy. I have tried to fix the same and have corrected & rewrote part of the section. Please do not change this without justifiable reasons.

1. The name of the club is East Bengal Football Club, shortened to East Bengal FC. Do NOT change it to East Bengal in the Infobox.
2. Current Season for the club is 2014–15 East Bengal F.C. season. Updated in the Infobox. Do not change that back to 2013-14 season, which is over.
3. Full name is Kingfisher East Bengal Football Club. Updated in the Infobox. Do not change this. You may check the official site of the club to check this out.
4. East Bengal are yet to win an I-League title. All the 3 were won in the days of the NFL.
5. Removing KickoffIndia link as it redirects to a porn site.
6. East Bengal and Dempo share the longest uninterrupted streak in the top-tier of Indian football - NFL and I-League. Mohun Bagan was NOT a part of the first NFL proper. Do NOT change this sentence again.
7. Indian Super Cup has been discontinued after 2011. So, no point of adding that.
8. Asian Theatre: ASEAN Cup is/was NOT an AFC competition and as such CANNOT be considered as a continental trophy. The best performance of East Bengal in the continental championship has been achieved last year, when it reached the Semi finals of the AFC Cup.
9. Jorabagan and other such stuffs are covered under the history and there's no need to mention them in the intro section.

Thanks. Shovon (talk) 06:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2017

150.242.150.124 (talk) 04:39, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 05:01, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2018

Can someone please remove "Chor Club of India" from this page. Shanusarkar1 (talk) 07:42, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done MBlaze Lightning 07:45, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2018

East Bengal Football Club also is a professional football club, based in Kolkata, West Bengal, India. Shanusarkar1 (talk) 07:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MBlaze Lightning 07:46, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Nike

change ((Nike)) to ((Nike, Inc.|Nike))

 Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:05, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion

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• East Bengal smoke show.jpg
• Salt lake Stadium.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 18:37, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2019

Hi,

I am a Life Member of East Bengal Club (Membership Number - L1352). While browsing the Wikipedia page of our club, I notice some miscreants have altered the name of the club in Bengali script and made it sound very derogatory. Please remove this immediately and block the Id which has made these changes, or give me privileged to rectify the page.

Hoping for an immediate response.

Thanks & Regards, Pratyayan, Sanyal. Pratyayan (talk) 08:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done: please see Special:Diff/927881940. NiciVampireHeart 11:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion for improving

ArnabSaha, I think you are trying to improve the article may be for GA.

Here are some suggestions if you want to see the article in good shape. The lead seems meager, it needs more summarised information. Covert the First subsection into prose, it looks utterly bizzare. 1980 to 2010s need lot of improvement, seems hollow. I have removed excessive materials from the stadium section, precisely the other ground. But the main stadiums speak very less of the club, try to improve that. Avoid deprecated source, and don't cite a source more 3-4 times. Add additional citations. Remove shouting in the reference titles. Try to avoid P-hacking, I have seen some, removed them along with exaggerated datas, like runners up and all. The statistics article is for that purpose only. Along with that I would suggest to go through WP:MOS, if you have not gone through, because I can see a lot of issues specially the tables. And before everything go through FA articles like Manchester City F.C., Aston Villa F.C., Arsenal F.C., Chelsea F.C., FC Barcelona to take a best idea about how to make the article a good one. You can ping me for any help for the improvement. However, I'll keep an eye though. Drat8sub (talk) 22:59, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Just an FYI, I recommend looking to Cardiff City F.C. as an FA article to go off of since that was the most recent club article to be made FA. A lot of of the ones above have been for years but have been edited far from what they were when nominated. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 01:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

ArsenalFan700, Drat8sub thanks a lot for helping. currently, I am referring to FC Bayern Munich. ❯❯❯ S A H A 06:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Arnab, do you understand why we have suggested those articles, because those are FAs, Bayern's article is a GA, nothing wrong in referring that but best will be following a FA which is our ultimate goal here and a recent one as Arsenalfan suggested the Cardiff City article. And that minor titles need no mention here, there is nothing to keep from that part, it will destroy the structure that you are hoping to see. And another thing I want to point out, the record section that is existing now is not healthy at all, keep it simple, it has 3 table and repetetive datas. Either delete it, which would be my preference if I would be thinking nomination since it will never overcome stability, an important parameter for a GA/FA, or place in a single table mentioning the national and continental record, no need to mention any other extra cups and tournament. Drat8sub (talk) 13:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Exactly. Like, the Manchester City article was promoted in 2006 and hasn't been reviewed since 2009. That doesn't mean it isn't good but that over the last 11 years, a lot of edits have been made and additions that are probably not supposed to be on a featured article were probably kept. Cardiff City was promoted last year and is the perfect article to go off of. Just because some clubs are among the best, doesn't mean they have the best wikipedia article. That is why I try to incorporate stuff from Major League Soccer and the A-League since while they are not the best leagues in the world, they have some of the most detailed and looked after pages in football wikipedia. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 20:09, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Well Arsenalfan, that is the most common mistake I have seen in many users, not totally their fault ofcorse. Because the welcome note or five pillar page does not actually talk much about the FA and GA. So, a lot of users actually think established club articles are the best articles, considering wikipedia similar to club website. However the five pillars page clearly mentions what's an encyclopedia is, what are the requirement. Anyway, exactly that's what I was saying, Arnab, best is to follow FA and better than Bayern's page it would be even better if you have a look at Ipswich Town F.C., where the record and statistics section written in prose, that is what a good article demands actually. And Arsenalfan there is one thing that need to be focused, why we don't see much changes in the existing FA articles, it's due to the very fact that FA articles are stable articles, these are written in such a way that there needs minimal updates and hardly anything will exists in the article which is suceptible to change frequently, like the format of record section in this article and for the same reason Manchester city article did not have any major changes in structure. So Arnab give importance to the stability and prose. Drat8sub (talk) 00:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Drat8sub, runners-up data is present in Cardiff City F.C. ❯❯❯ S A H A 08:32, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

It was our suggestion to refer, not to copy, and to use logic. Cardiff city does not have rich history of winning championship, so for the record section it has been kept. Like if we consider Kerala Blasters or say Northeast united we may need to add runners up or 3rd position. But East Bengal have a rich history of winning championship and various cups, no need of mentioning runners-up, no one actually bother for that. And most FAs don't have runners up. It's absolutely not required. Drat8sub (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Drat8sub, ok ❯❯❯ S A H A 19:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

deletion

@Drat8sub: wait and dont revert. i will work on them and modify them. thats why I have placed the {{under construction}} template. wait for a day. ging through the FA articles and summarizing the whole takes time. ❯❯❯ S A H A 14:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Sure, go on. Bdw, you have added a citation recently. kindly check if it is correctly done or not (publisher google.com), does not seem correct to me. And kindly go trhough the WP:MOS and WP:RS. Drat8sub (talk) 00:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

ArnabSaha, want to let you know that, I've hidden the whole management hierarchy, totally unsourced content, and the added link is a rotten link. So, re-add the section if you have a source (only RS), because I don't get any. So let me know, if you also fail to get any, we have to delete the section. And secondly, please merge the national and continental records. And is there any free image of EB winning trophies/winning team or nothing exists? Drat8sub (talk) 05:13, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Drat8sub, then we have to wait till quess leaves. since the new website will be launched after that. till then, management and technical staff should be kept hidden or visible using the old website link. also, regarding the international trophies, no other Indian clubs have achieved the same. so, it should be kept. its not something common here, unlike the european clubs. ❯❯❯ S A H A 07:08, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Coach

Thangboi Singto is appointed as assistant coach. Sayansark (talk) 15:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Source please. Drat8sub (talk) 19:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

East Bengal Players Issue

Hello to whoever has this page on their watchlist and who takes care of it. There is an issue with the Players section. The first player in the "current squad" section is not capitalized and it's a red link. I think someone should fix this, it looks very unprofessional and makes Wikipedia look bad. Thanks Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

{{cn}} tag

@Drat8sub: Check the sources carefully. They have percentage mentioned, and both of them are RS. Its becoming disruptive otherwise... ❯❯❯   S A H A 18:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

76 and 24???? Are you sure?? Drat8sub (talk) 18:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah. reliable sources and other media houses say the same. ❯❯❯   S A H A 18:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

I am not asking that, I know it's 76 24. Was asking whether it's mentioned, these citations were added by me only, when I added, they did not had those informations. See goal.com, it was cetainly updated after my addition, I added it on 1 Oct and it's last update too showing 1 Oct. When I added, it did not have that info. I read by lines always, no way it can miss my eyes. So, I was confident without seeing. Anyway, any news on new name?? They already sent to AFC, right? Drat8sub (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Then, maybe updated later. But when I checked, it was mentioned 76 percent. And the name change was mentioned by ESPN based on the interview of HM Bangur. FC changed to SC. But, yet to be announced by the club and FSDL. Stay Safe ❯❯❯   S A H A 18:31, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Vice Captain

Assign Anthony Pilkington as the vice captain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.211.67.247 (talk) 13:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

On the subject of reform of East Bengal Hockey Team

East Bengal Club has reformed their hockey team which will take part in the 2021 Calcutta Hockey League from 12 February, 2021. But in this article it's still showing that hockey team is defunct. Can it be changed? Please reply. Thank you. Debabrata Sarkar Mejbill (talk) 17:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Debabrata Sarkar Mejbill, it wasn't updated initially, due to lack of reliable sources. Now, it's updated  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

User:ArnabSaha, thank you. Debabrata Sarkar Mejbill (talk) 17:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

Daniel Chima is no more part of East Bengal. 103.217.235.56 (talk) 11:41, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:25, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 18 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

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SC East Bengal → East Bengal Club – East Bengal authorities has reverted the club name back to East Bengal Club through a request submitted to the IFA and the AIFF, since Shree Cements have broken their partnership with the club. Debankan ^talk  16:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

References

• Support move per nom. O.N.R. ^(talk) 03:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom, new name confirmed in the Times of India source, and reflected by their website. GiantSnowman 11:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support per GiantSnowman, no reason not to move if it's been officially updated. SportingFlyer T·C 13:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Evidence was not provided that the club's name actually ended with "FC". (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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East Bengal Club → East Bengal FC – A standard name for football clubs and also the previous page name before the club was rebranded to SCEB  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:43, 21 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:28, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:59, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

• The current title is the result of a very recent RM, so this is not an uncontroversial request. DanCherek (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

  @DanCherek thanks for the mention. I completely missed the talkpage.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 15:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - per last RM and official website. Not every football club uses 'FC', nominator is showing basic ignorance here. GiantSnowman 15:40, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

  @GiantSnowman The parent entity "East Bengal Club" always had a separate website, even before it was rebranded to Sporting Club East Bengal. And even when it was rebranded, there existed 2 separate websites, one for SCEB and one with EBC. But, the article was always East Bengal Football Club, since beginning.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  12:56, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

  so? See also Times of India source in the last RM. GiantSnowman 17:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

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Removal of Personnel and Management subsections

Dont know why the user removed it but it was an important part. Sp7898 (talk) 02:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Vivekananda Yuba Bharati Krirangan

Stadium page under attack (capacity) 93.143.252.66 (talk) 13:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 23 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 07:24, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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East Bengal Club → East Bengal FC – Suggesting this move as per the actual official website and official twitter handle of the club. Linking a reliable source here. An article should match the current information about its topic rather than sticking to the old information. — AKSHADĒV™ 💬 05:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose this is a general article for the sports club, not a specific article for the football club, as evidenced in the first sentence of this article: East Bengal Club... is an Indian professional multi-sports club based in Kolkata, West Bengal. Whether the football content should be split into a separate article East Bengal FC is a different issue, but not in the scope of this RM. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  The evidence is indeed in the first sentence, pay attention, “East Bengal Football Club (EBFC) is an Indian professional multi-sports club based in Kolkata, West Bengal”. The article itself refers to EBFC! And I'm very well aware of the fact that EBFC is a multi-sports club but it's official name is East Bengal Football Club not East Bengal Club. — AKSHADĒV™ 💬 14:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  The football club is not the whole sports club. I have fixed the first line of text. This RM is aiming to usurp the other sections of the club, it has provided 0 actual sources that the whole sports club is known as "football club", as all the links are to the football club. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  The infobox, the history section and all the other sections have content that mostly focuses on football. The parent organisation needs a separate article because this one is all about football. Your opposition is unreasonable. — AKSHADĒV™ 💬 15:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  That is because it's been taken over by the football editors. A separate article for the football club may be needed (I think it probably is), but moving this article, which has clear sections about all parts of the sport club, is inappropriate. A WP:SPLIT would be the correct way to do it, a move and disregarding of the other sports in this club is not. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  The infobox should be fixed to be about the sports club, the first line should be fixed (like I tried to, but you reverted, because of your insistence that this is an article about the football club, despite the fact it references its other sports too), and the history should be moved to an article about the sports club in general. People demanding it's a football-only article are making it that way, but the article is really about a multi sports club, that needs less information and bias towards the football team. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  Now I understand, but I'm not bias towards football, I like many other sports such as cricket, tennis, badminton, field hockey and many more. Football is just one of them. I request to you and every other experienced editors that if I don't get anything right away, don't judge me, please! It hurts a lot. I'm not like others :) Peace! — AKSHADĒV™ 💬 16:01, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose this is about the sports club, not the football club. SportingFlyer T·C 16:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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• Oppose per SF. A separate article about the football club should be part of a separate discussion. GiantSnowman 18:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose/Speedy close - As the seperate article about the football club is what needed and the discussion on it is already underway. — AKSHADĒV™ 💬 03:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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