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Split legal issues into its own article

I think it's time to split this off into its own article. Just a suggestion. CNC33 (. . .talk) 02:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that with his latest arrest a split is inevitable; however, I'm not sure that we're at that point just yet. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 14:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At 6389 words we are still ok from a size point of view. — Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 15:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was working on categories for new pages, and the page was created by removing the existing redirect: Sean Combs sexual misconduct allegations. Svampesky (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the redirect for now. The page, as created, had next to no content, and people seeking info on this topic will likely look for it here first anyways. — Diannaa (talk) 22:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend creating a draft first. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 00:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of the story remains to be told, as events unfold ln real time. It will be simpler to only have to update one article - this one. — Diannaa (talk) 01:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it should be split into it's own article, given just how high profile his arrest has been and how damaging it's been for his profile. Though I don't think all of the legal issues need to split, only the recent allegations in regards to his sexual abuse and all the other similar allegations made against him.CarterSterling (talk) 07:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I must be misunderstanding you. Surely you don't think it should be split off so that we don't damage his reputation? — Diannaa (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes! You definitely are - I stated "how damaging it's been for his profile" as a way to reiterate it's importance and how much of a big deal it is. Apologies if I sounded like I was stating otherwise.CarterSterling (talk) 08:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support split now It's not in proper summary style as it should be. Splitting it off would help that. ~ HAL333 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Considering the fact that this section already has approximately 2,300 words, I think it's completely appropriate to split this into a new article, especially with allegations dating back to 2017. This type of article isn't uncommon or against Wikipedia policy either, as there's already pages like Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations based on similar topics—celebrity sex scandals and assault allegations. Definitely needs to be worded carefully, though. Sexual assault allegations are an incredibly touchy subject. Also agreeing with Hal here, that section is definitely uncomfortably long to read and deserves to be split off for viewing's sake. RidgelantRL (talk) 21:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on the multitude. It is awkward as all hell to see this massive, line-after-line-after-line-after... you get my point. Make sure it is cohesively structured, and stays within BLP and Controversial Subjects policies. Otherwise, definitely notable and fleshed-out in its own rights, that's for sure. BarntToust (talk) 22:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as there appear to be new legal cases filing often. For example Graves v. Combs was filed on Sep 24, 2024 and is missing from this section. 132.239.136.2 (talk) 20:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support through the fact that the only section from the "Legal issues" section that should be split is the misconduct allegations and cases. That is the most serious. The non-misconduct issues can stay. Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 04:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support splitting to Sexual misconduct allegations against Sean Combs. Badbluebus (talk) 18:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. When creating/splitting, link it to P. Diddy case (Q130369696). Web-julio (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name of Cindy "Ruela"

As you can see in the original files Cindy's last name is Rueda, not Ruela. I can't edit that, but someone should. NatanaelAntonioli (talk) 05:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Thanks for the suggestion. — Diannaa (talk) 10:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake in the personal life info

At the end of this section, in the last subsection of legal issue, there is a mistake with the date, when the Jonas brothers changed their lyrics in a concert. The year shoud be 2024. Rayofrivia97 (talk) 02:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Good catch-- — Diannaa (talk) 02:42, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Far-Right Label to Description

Are you sure you don't want to add "far-right" to his description? You seem to do that to anything you don't like... 97.117.72.85 (talk) 15:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Har you got some sources that describe him as far-right? — Diannaa (talk) 15:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just ignore this user, they are a troll and claiming random topics are "far-right" is their gimmick. --Thebirdlover (talk) 04:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 October 2024

Per WP:Consistent, WP:Concise, WP:Common name.

The artist names of most other musicians on Wikipedia, including musicians that the Diddy article directly links to, are not titled with their legal name but with their stage name, including The Notorious B.I.G, who had different stage/artist names over his career. I'm also pointing Biggie's article name out specifically to say that the Diddy article somehow being 'separate' from the norm because he has had numerous stage names does not make sense. The name of Stefani Germanotta's article on Wikipedia is Lady Gaga. Not Stefani Germanotta. It makes very little sense to deviate from this norm, especially when the stage name is sufficiently precise for the article name.

"Diddy" is already a concise title. Confusion with the song or other characters can be solved with an already existing disambiguation page. Searching "Diddy" on Wikipedia will redirect you to this very page, which just supports that Wikipedia already considers the term 'Diddy' to be concise enough to redirect here.

WP:Common name is an obvious principle here. "Diddy" by far is Sean's most popular name as shown through Ngrams, when compared to "Sean Combs", "P. Diddy" and "Puff Daddy". Unfortunately I cannot verify through wikinav the statistics of how many searches for "Sean Combs" are redirects from Diddy or some variation, but I'm quite certain they far outweigh any direct searches to "Sean Combs".

Nobody is searching for "Sean Combs". They are searching for Diddy. The article already does a well-enough job explaining his other stage names with the opening sentence.

Rename to "Diddy", keep the disambiguation notice, keep the note about his other stage names in the opening line. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 17:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We recently closed a similar move discussion; see Talk:Sean Combs/Archive 2#Requested move 16 August 2024. The result was "The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion". I doubt consensus will have changed in the last ~six weeks. -- Diannaa (talk) 19:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove "former" in the first sentence

He's not a "former rapper". He's in jail now, so he's not rapping at the moment. This seems to be speculation/WP:CRYSTAL that he's never going to release music again. Nobody knows that. PRicoNMI (talk) 16:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. 162 etc. (talk) 18:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, he may as well be still active, so the end date for when he is active is still present until he gets convicted or is retired. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Combs' Voice

The audio file for his voice is extremely damaged. It's impossible to hear a thing 77roundz (talk) 21:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It works okay for me. I am using Chrome on an Acer Chromebook. Diannaa (talk) 01:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]