Talk:Dessert/Archive 1

Archive 1

Meal

I don't think that "Dessert" really belongs in the "Meal" series.

Often, the dessert is seen as a separate meal or snack rather than a course, and may be eaten some time after the meal

Occasionally, perhaps, but I dispute the use of the word "often". -- Picapica 22:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

yeah, I definitely disagree with it being in the "meal" series. I live in Colorado, and it would never ever be considered a meal around here. Granted, you have have sweets separately from anything else, but when you do, its a snack rather than a meal. Perhaps the meal idea is regional. If so, it should be noted, otherwise I'll consider removing it as a part of the "meal" series. Carl.bunderson 01:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Before a meal

Do any cultures do dessert before a meal? -Rolypolyman 21:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I've heard that eating sweets first is common in ayurveda practices, but I'm curious to know if that's true. --Twyspy 04:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I've actually heard dentists recommend eating dessert first, before a meal. Mastication during the meal will help get the sugar off your teeth.--DrCorrection 02:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

WHY DOES AS IMPORTANT A THING AS DESERT GET SUCH A STUB AS THIS!! at least consider it a stub! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.159.17 (talk) 15:09, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Deseret

I removed the sentence "One of the earliest known sweet foods is honey - the work product of Deseret, the Honey Bee." While the fact may be true, given that this appears to be a random act of Mormonism (see Deseret), I'd like to see a citation. I suspect there is some folk etymology at work here, given the similarity of the words "Deseret" and "desert".

128.208.6.193 05:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops. Above comment is mine.

mkehrt 05:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

My edit was reverted with comment: (adding back honey reference, with {{Fact}} template, you should do that rather than immediately removing the information, also possibly removing vandalism by IP)

OK, but I have removed the mention of "Deseret, the honey bee." I don't think that the fact that honey comes from bees or that the LDS scriptures claim that "deseret" is a word for honeybee has any bearing on the article.

Apoologies for me somewhat snarky talkpage comment above; it was in poor taste.

mkehrt 23:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

puding is not a dessert :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.46.219 (talk) 22:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Terminology

The comment on the use of the word sweet, rather than dessert, is a classic U / Non-U division. It's overly simplistic to say that sweet is the more common term in the UK. It will certainly be more common in certain demographics, and the statement that it is more common overall, may in fact be true. But the present wording is misleading nonetheless, as it indicates a homogeneity of usage that doesn't exist. Edited accordingly --Che Gannarelli (talk) 03:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Scratch that. I only got halfway through the article before commenting. I see that the U/Non-U distinction is in fact discussed. Apologies. I did not, in fact, edit the article. --Che Gannarelli (talk) 03:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I, as a Brit of eighteen years, have never heard anyone use the terms 'sweet', 'afters' or whatever that last one was, to describe dessert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.219.156.137 (talk) 20:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Another HILARIOUS Wikipedia Article!!

We have some serious bias issues here, not just focus on two countries, but also some debatable and questionable claims! And wtf is up with the pictures? That's upper-class bias, people! But seriously, some of the claims are BIASED and UNSOURCED, in fact, this article needs clean up to, people!! Biased articles are sooo 2008! Retro Agnostic (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this article seems to imply that desserts were largely invented in Europe/Middle Ages... Leonnatus (talk) 04:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Needs copyediting/rewrite

This article is a goddamn embarrassment. It reads like it was written by an illiterate. Almost every sentence has missing words or statements that aren't supported by the citation. The article needs to be rewritten.98.206.218.218 (talk) 04:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I thought to myself, "would it be too much for me to go to the talk page and say that this article is completely idiotic?" No. No it would not be too much. It should be deleted or turned into a stub. 98.246.154.230 (talk) 06:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

This article certainly needs improving, especially in respect of the introduction. Perhaps a complete revision of the article as a whole from a less western centric view point --Dreylax01 (talk) 20:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

The article states "There is a wide variety of desserts in western cultures". This statement is confined to western cultures, while it says "Dessert", not "Western dessert". This article should be rewritten to have desserts from cultures all around the world, not just western cultures. I will work on parts of the article to repair its mistakes. Sipslice11 (talk) 00:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Usage exception section

Is this really important enough to go into this article? Weleyan religious communities in S Indiana euphemistically refer to alcohol as dessert? valereee (talk) 11:50, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

History section

...needs a complete rewrite. valereee (talk) 13:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

lovetoknow.com

ChamithN, I question the reliability of that Delp article -- I removed that reference earlier today because a lot of what she's saying (like that fruit or nuts rolled into honey was considered the "first candy") just seems a little dubious. She says filo dough "was common in ancient times being recorded as early as the early 1300's." That's not actually "ancient." There are multiple grammar, punctuation etc. errors in the piece. I don't know what lovetoknow.com even is -- their About section says, "LoveToKnow is an online media company that owns and operates a family of web sites dedicated to providing high quality, useful information to Internet users." So to me that's basically a blog or something? valereee (talk) 01:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

@Valereee: Frankly I didn't entirely know about lovetoknow.com either. I did a Google search and that's the only self-published sourced I came across that mentioned about ancient deserts such as honeycombs, nuts and fruits. After reading your explanation, I went back and read the reference myself and I think your decision to remove that source is completely justified. Though it doesn't (and it didn't, at the time) seem like a blog to me, I don't think we can count it as a reliable source. Thank you for pointing this out and I'll be more vigilance when I'm looking for sources again. Cheers --Chamith (talk) 02:51, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

@ChamithN:, it can be so hard to tell with some of these online ones. Even ones that look like newspapers sometimes turn out to be one guy working out of his house with a few stringers. Seriously, it looked fine on first glance to me, too. It was only on reading it, when I realized there were multiple typos, that I started to question some of her assertions. I've just ordered a book from the library called 'The History of Dessert' which I'll see if I can use to help flesh out the references for that section, too! Maybe the book will confirm her assertions.  :) valereee (talk) 14:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

What does this have to do with dessert?

"Frozen foods became very popular starting in the 1920s when freezing emerged." GeneCallahan (talk) 04:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, when frozen food became very popular I'd assume the availability and popularity of frozen desserts such as ice cream and frozen pies/tarts etc. would have increased too. It's poorly written in that it isn't explicit, but the meaning seems clear. Will edit 'frozen foods' to 'frozen food, including desserts,'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.32.62 (talk) 18:56, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't that BE the dessert course?

"Throughout much of central and western Africa, there is no tradition of a dessert course following a meal.[18][19] Fruit or fruit salad would be eaten instead, which may be spiced, or sweetened with a sauce."

OK, it sounds like they have fruit for dessert, not like they don't have dessert. GeneCallahan (talk) 04:42, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. The article seems to imply that having fruit after your meal is somehow not a "dessert" because it's not sweet.. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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