Talk:Cyclone Leon–Eline

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December 20, 2014	Good article nominee	Listed
March 25, 2015	Good topic candidate	Promoted
March 26, 2021	WikiProject A-class review	Approved

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Better intro, more impact, separate impact by region, any chance of impact pictures? Jdorje 20:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Got the pic taken care of. Cyclone1 16:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He meant pictures of damage but that works. A damage pic certainly couldn't hurt. -- §Hurricane E RIC§^Damagesarchive 00:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oh, lol sry. Cant find any of those. Ill look. Cyclone1 02:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Needs cleanup and expansion. --Core des at talk. o_O 18:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1 2 [1] [2] [3]

Fatalities?

So... what should I put for the fatalities? There isn't really a good death toll. Going country by country isn't even ideal. In Madagascar, the storm killed at least 64 people. Collectively, Gloria and Eline killed 205 people, but Gloria's death toll on its own is 66, so Eline could've killed 139 at most. One of the few international disaster databases, EM-DAT, sadly just lists 130 deaths for Madagascar from February to March, which would include both Eline and Gloria. For Mozambique, it's fuzzier. Early news stories only directly attribute 17 deaths to Eline there, but the floods and the cyclone are so interconnected. It's known that there were 150 deaths before Eline arrived, and there were around 700 deaths from Eline (although EM-DAT lists 800 deaths), meaning at most Eline killed 550. Zimbabwe and South Africa have 12 and 21 deaths, respectively, which makes it easy.

Overall, that means Eline killed at least 114 people, and as many as 722. The current listing of "up to 1,000 direct" is pretty misleading, as the toll would have to include the floods. Should I list the death toll as "at least 114"? That is awfully low, but is the most accurate. Slightly less accurate would be the 64 from Madagascar, 33 from Zimbabwe and South Africa, and the 700 from Mozambique for floods, thus being 797 (with a note that it includes concurrent flooding), which seems too exact. As the article does cover the floods in great detail, it isn't the worst option, and is decently backed up by MFR (which mentions the 700). However, we know that Eline didn't kill those 700 people. So I'm not quite sure what to do. Thoughts would be very appreciated - @Juliancolton:, @Jason Rees:, @Yellow Evan:? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd set it as a range from 114-722 in there. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 21:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, will do. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cyclone Leon–Eline/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 06:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Hurricanehink! I am going to be reviewing this article. Below are the issues have I with passing this article and listing it as a GA:

I think the lead is a bit long. Of course, this is a high-impact storm, but you devoted about 21 and a half lines to the impact, but only use six for the MH. Obviously, this storm was important meteorological as well, since it traveled over 6,8000 miles and lasted 29 days. Maybe you should try to cut the impact and add more MH?
"It formed on February 1, 2000 in the Australian" - Comma after "2000"
"south of Beira, Mozambique near peak intensity" - Comma after "Mozambique"
"estimated at $9 million (USD), and collectively"; "and damage estimated at $500 million (2000 USD)." - Why does the former simply say "(USD)", but the latter says "(2000 USD)"
Why didn't you wikilink Zimbabwe, South Africa, and Botswana in the last paragraph of the lede?
"76 kilometres per hour (47 mph) to St. Brandon. On Mauritius, the cyclone produced wind gusts of 137 kilometres per hour (85 mph)" - Abbreviate km/h
Maybe more issues later.

So far, I think it's a nice article that doesn't need to much fixing.--12george1 (talk) 06:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts

I have been asked to provide some thoughts on this article:

After crossing 90° E, the Météo-France office in Réunion (MFR) renamed the storm Eline on February 8. - This is factually incorrect as the Mauritius Met Service renamed it not MFR.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Perth Tropical Cyclone Warning Center (PTCWC) -> Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) - I am trying to encourge the project to be less specific with which TCWC from the BoM monitored it since Brisbane can warn for Perth.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PTCWC to BoM.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PTCWC estimated an initial peak of 140 km/h (87 mph) -> Why isnt it rounded to 140 km/h (85 mph)?

What is that on the Australian scale?

Also use the IBTRACS link here rather than the TCR to cite here as it will be easier to cite if ever changed.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Talking of IBTRACS make sure the URL uses the IBTRACS URL template {{IBTRACS url|id=2000032S11115}} and which points to Version 4 and can be tweaked every year rather than 3.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For consistency Australian tropical cyclone scale -> Australian tropical cyclone intensity scale.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Météo-France (MFR)[nb 4] estimated 10‑minute winds of 65 km/h (40 mph) at that time. -> Personally I would just use a line about the BoM passing the primary warning responsibility for Leon to Meteo France.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I seriously wonder why we have a Meteorological history of Cyclone Leon–Eline article, as i feel that the MH within the main article is lacking ad a bit skimpy on details and i notice that you jump from the 8th to the 11th to the 14th.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

the storm passed about 85 km (53 mi) south of St. Brandon - Why 53 mi?.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Passing about 160 km (99 mi) northwest of - Why 99 mi?.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While approaching eastern Madagascar on February 17, Eline intensified to reach 10‑minute winds of 165 km/h (103 mph), making landfall near Mahanoro at that strength.[1][7][1] - Why the double citation to Reunion?.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who wrote the "Monthly Global Tropical Cyclone Summary February 2000"?.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The JTWC estimated peak 1‑minute winds of 215 km/h (134 mph), - Again rounding.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

making it the strongest storm to hit the nation in several decades. -> Can we be more specific please.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Check both Met Mar articles for the season in case there is anything that can be cited back to there or you have missed anything 1 & 2.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that the section on the duration needs a bit of love and possibly expanding to include the SHEM and World.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Preparations and impact -> Effects.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Before Eline struck Mozambique, storm warnings and later hurricane warnings were issued on February 21 -> It seems strange that the Mozambique weather service would issue storm/hurricane warnings in the same way as the NWS would. In fact when I looked at the source, I presumed that it was talking about the normal Reunion marine bulletins rather than specifically Mozambique.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This line from the BoM is interesting: Leon had little impact on either Christmas or Cocos Islands.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Swap the MFR TCR url to this one and put RSMC La Reunion as the author.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Tropical Cyclone Warning Center in Perth, Australia is a branch of the country's Bureau of Meteorology, which is the official Regional Specialized Meteorological Center for the Australian basin.[4] -> The BoM is not an RSMC for the purposes of TC tracking.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

that issues ->That issued.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anymore impacts for the Mascarence islands? Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The MFR issued a gale warning for Zimbabwe in anticipation of strong winds well inland. However, the Zimbabwe government did not issue any storm warnings until the storm moved over the country. -> It strikes me as odd that MFR would issue a gale warning for Zimbabwe.Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gary mentions "There were some media reports which indicated that much of the populace along the eastern coast of Madagascar had little advance warning of the cyclone's approach." -> Can you look into this further as there are no preps listed for Madgascar? Jason Rees (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Meteorological history of Cyclone Leon–Eline?

CLOSED

Articles merged, per consensus. Non-Administrative closure-- LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Jason Rees (talk · contribs) brought up merging the MH article, and I have to say, I agree. There are only seven paragraphs in the sub-article vs. three in this one. I'm thinking of taking this article to FAC, and considering the size isn't overly long, I think it is appropriate to merge the MH article. Any thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:18, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - Leon-Eline does not have enough of an MH to justify a separate article in my opinion and that a merger/clean up of the MH would suffice. I also note that Cyclone Rewa had a long track as well but i have never felt that it needs a separate MH article.Jason Rees (talk) 11:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support – No real size issues if the two articles were to be combined. Additionally, it's better to have everything together in one place. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 08:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support – No real reason to have a MH article given the size of the main. Noah^Talk 20:18, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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A-class review

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Promoted to A-Class: LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Leon–Eline

Nominator(s): ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if the article is in decent shape for FAC, or if I should focus on the sub-articles for Madagascar and Mozambique floods. If the latter is needed, then I'll archive this ACR. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Hurricanehink, I think you should go for the sub-articles. I'm also closing this ACR by myself. SMB9 9thx my edits! 06:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC)~~[reply]

@Hurricanehink and SMB99thx: where are your "more than one reviewer" per WP:ACLASS? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @MarioJump83 – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:20, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Mario Jump 83! 00:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from MarioJump83

I'll formally reviewing this. Based on my quick review, I got this:

Is there anything more about the floods from October to February 2000 that can be added to 2000 Mozambique flood which would be renamed to 1999–2000 Mozambique floods?
Early 2000 Madagascar floods talks more about Tropical Storm Gloria.

These articles are not WP:CFORK and I do not believe merging these articles into Cyclone Leon–Eline is appropriate. Overall, I do believe that this article is more than enough to make Leon–Eline FAC based on the size of 2018 Global FT Pacific hurricane articles and add 2000 Mozambique flood & Early 2000 Madagascar floods into 1999–2000 SWIO GT. Mario Jump 83! 01:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LightandDark2000: I would like you to close this ACR, per WP:ACLASS. Mario Jump 83! 10:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from LightandDark2000

Reading through the article, I only found a few issues that needed to be addressed:

The usage of "Category" as a noun. "Category" is not a noun, but it was used as such in several instances. I went through the article and wrote out the storm's full status in each of those cases.
Eline had re-attained tropical cyclone at 12:00 UTC There was an grammatical error here in which the storm's status was not properly written out when the sentence was referring to it. I fixed that as well.
stating they flood refugees from Mozambique would be deported if they entered illegally. There was a grammatical error here in which "they" was incorrectly used instead of "that". I also fixed this as well.

The article is very comprehensive and very well-written. As such, after making the necessary corrections, I feel that this article meets the A-Class requirements, and as such, I agree with MarioJump83's decision to promote this article to A-Class. As such, I am passing this A-Class review. Congratulations! LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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