Talk:Complexity Gaming

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Requested move 6 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved (closed by non-admin page mover) Danski454 (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CompLexity Gaming → Complexity Gaming – Complexity Gaming rebranded and changed the stylization of their name on May 3, 2019. CentreLeftRight ✉ 22:39, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:46, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CentreLeftRight: until the new styling is actually used by sources (rather than just announced) I don't think the page should be moved --DannyS712 (talk) 22:51, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This type of non-standard stylization in titles should generally be avoided unless it is the official name. Since this is no longer official, our standard title capitalization rules should be followed. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per the excellent analysis of Rreagan007. Although I believe that we should respect stylizations, we should also move away from them quickly when this is justified by the circumstances. bd2412 T 17:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this article?

Hello my fellow Wikipedians,

I cam across this article as part of the video games WikiProject as one that needed some copyediting. In reading it, it strikes me that the sourcing for this article is simply not up to standard. My searches have revealed very little about Complexity that meets the standard for acceptability beyond the most recent acquisition by Jerry Jones and the GameStop sponsorship. I would argue this article could be deleted, at least for now, on the grounds that there simply isn't enough independent, verifiable sourcing to warrant an article. I would love to hear the thoughts of another editor before submitting it for deletion. If there other reputable sources for esports out there that I may have missed, I'd also love to take a look at those! JoshuaLeach16 (talk) 21:57, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of reliable sources available (Venture Beat, Business Wire, Dallas Morning News, ESPN); this article would be snowballed into a keep. With that being said, the article certainly is not very good at its current state. — Pbrks (talk) 22:16, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Pbrks, thanks for the links! There are definitely a couple of good sources in your list there about the team being bought by Jerry Jones and their new facility that is sponsored by GameStop. I guess I was getting at more of some of the other stuff. The roster construction, the participation in different leagues, even the finishes in different competitions, all of those things are poorly cited or not at all, and I wasn't able to turn up anything, really, about the team's run in those different games. There is the book, but even that has only a little bit in it.

I guess my point is I don't think there are enough sources that talked enough about Complexity (because they have to have more than just a passing mention about a finish or whatever) and its history to justify an article right now, or that it would be possible to improve the article in its current state to something that fits with the standards of Wikipedia with the sources that are available. It could be reduced to a stub, and talk only about the acquisition by Jerry Jones and maybe some of the partnerships as the sourcing does support that. The majority of the article, in my opinion, should be deleted because it is largely sourced to something published by the team itself. By my count, 25 of 68 references link directly back to the Complexity website or the team's social media accounts. That alone, I think, should be grounds to remove significant portions of the article and rebuild the whole thing. I'd love to hear your thoughts though! I'm still pretty green when it comes to editing Wikipedia. JoshuaLeach16 (talk) 13:47, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JoshuaLeach16: Ah, I see you are new here, welcome! I think you may be confusing a few policies and guidelines. To establish notability for an article, it usually needs to pass the general notability guidelines; that is, there must exist some reliable, published, secondary sources with significant coverage that are independent of the subject. Once notability has been established (which is the case for this article), its notability does not go away. With that in mind, there are no reasons to nominate this article for deletion.

Now that notability has been established, we do not need every source to be reliable, published, secondary, have significant coverage, and be independent of the subject. While those are certainly preferred, we simply need sources to be reliable sources so that information can be verified. Primary sources, like Complexity's website and tweets, fall under this category; however, as you mentioned, having over a third of the article using Complexity itself is a bit much. If you believe this article needs a rewrite, be bold and go for it. If you would like an esports team article that is a bit more up to stuff for a reference on how you could write it, I would recommend Cloud9 (for the most part). Check out WP:VG/RS for a list of reliable sources that are preferred, if you intend on rewriting this article. In a quick search, I did not find much on Complexity's League of Legends division, and likely much of that section could be gutted.

Lastly, here are a few sources that you could use, as an example: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. — Pbrks (talk) 14:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pbrks Neat! I'll give these a look through and see about writing a fresh draft of the article. If I can figure out how to do it, I'll publish the draft elsewhere (publishing it in sandbox maybe?) instead of cluttering up the talk page with a whole draft before I make wholesale changes to current page. I would love another set of eyes to make sure I'm meeting the standards appropriately. I used to be a journalist, and I wouldn't even give a second thought to using the tweets and website stories and such directly in a story I would write, but I want to make sure I do things right for Wikipedia! Cheers JoshuaLeach16 (talk) 15:04, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JoshuaLeach16: Sure thing, write it up in your sandbox if you prefer and I can give it a readover. — Pbrks (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2021

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Change owners list to include Timthetatman.

Add sentence in at end of header stating "In September 2021, streamer Timthetatman signed with Complexity Gaming as a part-owner and content-creator."

Add Dot Esports article Dot Esports (link) to list of references as proof of above changes.

Support for changes: As substantiated by Dot Esports (link) and Complexity Gaming's own official Twitter page (link), Timthetatman has joined the organization. As substantiated by Upcomer (link) and by EsportsTalk (link), as well as by the aforementioned Dot Esports link, Tim is part-owner in Complexity Gaming. 2601:642:4302:C650:3C0F:DFF3:8D4:7E8E (talk) 21:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done Schazjmd (talk) 21:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]