Talk:Yoshi's Island

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Shigeru Miyamoto gave Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island its signature, hand-drawn art style in defiance of Nintendo's marketing department?

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We should chage it to "Super Mario world 2: Yoshi's island Fall guys rules (talk) 01:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the discussion about this here. Sergecross73 msg me 01:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

" As a Super Mario series platformer,"

As a Super Mario series platformer, Yoshi runs and jumps to reach the end of the level while solving puzzles and collecting items with Mario's help.

This is literally saying that Yoshi, the character, is a "Super Mario series platformer". It needs to be fixed. Popcornfud (talk) 16:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I think the revert, if I had to guess, mistook this for yet another argument about whether or not the game "counts" as a Super Mario game. That's what I feared as I read the section title name. Not blaming you, just saying. Sergecross73 msg me 17:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I realize this now. I've moved the mention of it being a Super Mario game to a different sentence. ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. But looking again, is the sentence "An entry in the Super Mario series, it is the sequel to Super Mario World (1990)" not kind of a WP:DUH sentence? If we say it's the sequel to Super Mario World then readers know it is an entry in the Super Mario series. Popcornfud (talk) 02:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily. The article should be written with the general reader in mind, who surprisingly may not know about an overarching series. Not to bring up that other stuff exists but this pattern is also in dozens of articles-- just about all Smash games say they're in the Smash Bros series. ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see the same thing in many game articles. Unfortunately, I think it's a problematic pattern.

If it's a sequel to a game called Super Mario World, then the reader knows it's an entry to a series. Why? Because we've told them there are at least two games. That's what a series is, by definition — two or more consecutive things.

So this prose isn't adding any information. Instead, the actual function it's providing is a Wikilink to a relevant subject (the Mario series). This is worth including, but it needs a prose reason to exist in the first place. Compare to how the Sonic the Hedgehog 3 article does it:

Sonic the Hedgehog 3 is a 1994 platform game developed and published by Sega for the Genesis. Like previous Sonic games, players traverse side-scrolling levels while...

Do you see what I mean?

I'm not saying we shouldn't mention or link the series, I'm just saying the prose needs to be good too. Popcornfud (talk) 08:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've expanded the lead with more development details and (I hope) a more elegant insertion of the Mario series Wikilink. I hope it's an improvement. Popcornfud (talk) 09:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]