Talk:Bloons TD 6

Some sources

Got some sources that may be possible candidates for reliability and independence.

• gaming-ground.de with the BTD6 trend (German)
• Droidgamers, BTD6 price cut
• TouchArcade BTD6 review everything happen so much
• DroidGamers BTD6 Co-Op

Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 02:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 02:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah, okay, DroidGamers no good, right? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 02:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

What about this one? Android Authority, overview of BTD6. I don't know about Android Authority and its reliability. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 04:09, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Ways to improve to get it enough to an accepted status

@IceWelder: I would like to have some specific feedback as to how I would make this article improved enough to become "accepted" status. It would be a good idea to give me some feedback on very specific details that need improvement.

Reading from your comment: "Light decline because the article contains too many unsourced statements that should be worked out first. Notability appears to be given".

So it appears that I should source the statements that are marked {{citation needed}}, and then it's all ready for shipping? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Or is it because of how there's too many intricate little details that possibly can be cut out? Or a mixture of the two I aforementioned? I suppose finding reliable sources to back up each of the points not yet citationed would help a lot, I suppose. At least the hardest part about notability is covered. Hooray! Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• The [citation needed] parts and those where there is neither a source nor a tag (like the claim for why there is no Flash version) need to be amended. There is more possible cleanup (for example, ProtonDB is unreliable but even that source says that the game does not natively run on Linux, just using Proton) but appropriate sourcing is the primary stepping stone after notability. There are at least four reviews in reliable sources (TouchArcade, Pocket Gamer, Gamezebo, and GameStar) so notability should not be an issue. IceWelder [✉] 22:34, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good. I shall make these adjustments later, including cutting down on some unclaimed stuff and sourcing points where there are no sources. I still am not convinced about how Zxcvbnm doesn't say that Bloons TD 6 is notable in spite of having various reliable independent sources about the game. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I mean yes, I can see their point of the article having many quite trivial details, and yes a lot of the intricate detailing seems to appear unsourced, but the fact that there are many reliable independent sources on Bloons TD 6 means does not mean the subject is not notable, it just means the article needs cleanup. If the "it's notable" point can be proved, which it should because of the presence of such sources, then all is needed to do is clean up the article's sources vs points. We've done the "head-out-of-womb" part (establishing notability, basically this is a major bottleneck to most drafts), so now we just need to get the "legs" out (cleaning up the page's sources vs points). Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@IceWelder: Alrighty, time to review again. I fixed much of the unsourced stuff by removing very dubious unsourced claims and backing up the better potential unsourced claims with reliable sources. Some of the claims could not be done with secondary independent sources, so I had to make do with a primary source, that being Ninja Kiwi's official update videos. I also added a bit more content on top, but the main focus of those edits were to touch up with fixing those problem points you mentioned. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 00:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

The draft looks much better but I'll have to leave the actual review to someone else as drafts shouldn't be reviewed by the same person multiple times. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 10:08, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ZXCVBNM: Also pinging you because you're involved here too. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: Doh, wrong ping. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:19, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

As for you, Zxcvbnm, I would like to know how you interpret "notability", because it appears IceWelder says Bloons TD 6 is notable enough to be worthy of a separate article. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I tend to see "notability" in the case of Bloons TD 6 by its noteworthiness in significance in New Zealand gaming industry and how it ranks among top games in the world in spite of New Zealand being quite unknown to most of the world. Several sources directly found on Google mention upon this. Secondly, it has been commented independently by multiple independent reliable sources about its popularity amongst various app services, specifically App Store, Google Play, and Steam later on. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure, merely being top in the world in several app services is not itself noteworthy, but the coverage about it being top in the world with commentry about New Zealand gaming industry is worth a spot in the Wikipedia space, don't you think? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Popping Bloons earns money

I strangely couldn't find any secondary reliable source that states that popping bloons earns money, but I suppose that could be implied based upon the info given in the reliable websites found on this article. I don't think that point should be challengeable, although I wished it has a reliable source that backs it up while stating the point without need for explicit mention of such. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 03:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

It definitely isn't challenge able as the game actually mentions this itself. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

DYKable?

Is this page DYKable? According to the DYK check tool, it says it isn't. Just asking, in case anyone wants to nominate it for DYK. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 22:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Article name change

The official name for the game is Bloons Tower Defense 6, however the article name is Bloons TD 6. I feel like the official name should be used for article unless WP:COMMONNAME applies here. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000: Pinging as they appear to be a major contributor to the article as well as the creator of this article. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The only source for "Bloons Tower Defense 6" in common use is in the official website for it. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 21:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Ya I realized that after I looked at the screenshot and I was like, "Even the game itself refers to it as Bloons TD 6", however I think we should at least clarify what TD stands for. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Becoming a C

In order for this article to become a C, more deepened history of the game itself and its development must be included in a Wikipedia context. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Alright. Could you possibly explain what could be added? I understand you want more stuff in history and development but what exactly do you think is missing? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 15:34, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Paragons

I don't know if this meets Wikipedia's notability standards but there is no mention of Monkey paragons in the article and was wondering if Paragons could be added to the article. ScientistBuilder (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)ScientistBuilderScientistBuilder (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, they can be added in. I can't find any sources about Paragons outside of Ninja Kiwi's primary sources, but you can use their official YouTube videos as a source. While YouTube is generally considered an unreliable source, official channel videos are considered not unreliable. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Special game modes

I am still new to Wikipedia (so I may be wrong), but is this really necessary information?

Both the information itself and the phrasing are more akin to the Bloons Fandom (formerly "Wikia") wiki rather than Wikipedia. Feedback is appreciated. ToffeeQueen (talk) 01:53, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I do agree that it seems a bit like something added purely because someone is a fan of the game, however I'm unsure what the related policy on this would be. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Maybe WP:CRUFT? If so, the policy is usually to delete the section. Splatana (talk) 15:02, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Splatana: In this case i would probably just say to add information about the gamemodes that are brand new to this game and have some notability (although I could be interpreting this wrong). An example would most likely be CHIMPS mode which is only possible due to the inclusion of Monkey Knowledge in this game. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

So in other words, to summarize it I would change it to a statement that would say "The game retains many gamemodes from previous entries in the series with the addition of X new gamemodes being, *name(s) of the new gamemodes*." With X being the number of new gamemodes added with this game. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Done! I'll probably delete the special mode section later when i have more time, as its not needed now. --Splatana (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Splatana: It could probably be kept, just slimmed down to describe the new gamemodes a bit more and add a little detail to Coop and Boss Bloons if necessary. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:00, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Trimming down "Special Game Modes"

As I know have more free time (and remember this article exists), I'd like some help on trimming down the overly detailed Special Game Modes Section. Any ideas for how I could do this? Splatana (talk) 09:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Blaze The Wolf:, as they put forward the idea in the first place, and have helped me before Splatana (talk) 09:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

@Splatana: You pinged my old username. Luckily I checked my watchlist. I'm currently on a Wikibreak so I'm unable to help you with this at the moment. I'd suggest asking at WT:VG for some help. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Gameplay peer review

Here's some comments and suggested changes. Like the responses you've received at WT:VG, sourcing can be improved a lot further. You can find a list of video game sources deemed reliable and high-quality at WP:VG/RS, or this custom search engine, which shows only reliable sources. It's pretty neat!

• "The core gameplay of Bloons TD 6 is similar to other games in the Bloons TD series. As with other games of the series, Bloons TD 6 is a tower defense game. Bloons TD 6 utilizes 3D graphics in its gameplay, but it is played primarily in a 2.5 D perspective." A lot of repetition here, and can be shortened: "Gameplay of Bloons TD 6 is a tower defense game played from a 2.5D perspective, similar to that of previous entries in the series." With this condensed version, you can combine it with the paragraph below.
• "In Bloons TD 6, the player creates a defense consisting of towers (referred as "Monkeys" in-game)" - This tower detail won't serve much importance to people who are curious about the game only: "In the game, the player creates a defense consisting of monkeys alongside other structures and traps"
• "Maps are chosen by the discretion of the player, starting off with the less difficult maps. Completing games on maps unlocks more difficult maps. The game retains many gamemodes from previous entries in the series, along with adding several new ones, such as "C.H.I.M.P.S.", a mode where most unlockable features are restricted." - This gamemode sentence should be moved elsewhere, and considering there's a special modes section that would be the most likely place. I would also move this map detail to the end of the first paragraph, and merge the two map sentences: "Maps are chosen by the discretion of the player, and more difficult ones are unlocked as more games are completed."
• "Additional game mechanics are added in Bloons TD 6 that are absent in previous games" is a repetitive and rather redundant statement. "Bloons TD6 expands on traditional Bloons Tower Defense gameplay with "Heroes", who..."
• "...and unlock deeper Monkey Knowledge in conjunction with Monkey Knowledge Points." This sentence needs some clarification; I'm not sure what it's means myself.
• Rather than listing off what weekly modes there are ("Weekly events include Race Events, Odyssey Mode, and Boss Bloons"), I'd rather be interested in knowing what purpose they serve. "Certain game-modes are only avaible on a weekly basis..." and give a general description of what they collectively do from there.
• "On top of standard game modes, there are additional game modes that feature special rules not present in normal games. These modes include Primary Monkeys Only, Deflation, Military Monkeys Only, Reverse, Apopalypse, Magic Monkeys Only, Alternate Bloons Rounds, Double HP (Health) MOABs, Impoppable, Half Cash and CHIMPS, in increasing difficulty." This can simply be summed up with "On top of the standard game mode, Bloons TD 6 offers multiple additional game modes that use certain rules and restrictions, such as limiting what monkeys the player can use or making Bloons stronger in some aspect."
• "Custom challenges can be created in Challenge Editor and played by any user using Challenge Browser." This could use some clarification as well. Also, "user using" is repetitive, I suggest a "via the"
• I see that the remains of this paragraph consists of weekly and seasonal info. That being said, the statement about weekly events mentioned in the paragraph above can be merged down here.
• "rules not present in ordinary games" is a good example of shortening but is rather vague. In cases like these, one example would benefit, like how Minecraft would say something along the lines of "the player can craft various tools; for example, they can make a sword, which inflicts more damage on mobs."
• I see that this next paragraph also has to do with weekly and seasonal events. Since I've showed you how you can sum up this content with a sentence or to, this entire paragraph can be cut alongside it. With gameplay sections we try to keep things as short and snappy as possible.
• This last paragraph about Co-Op, too, can be surprisingly shortened into a sentence. "The game supports multiplayer with up to four players, and money collected is dispersed evenly among them."
• With all these cuts on the Special Gamemodes section it shouldn't be much more than a paragraph. Although I would advise against keeping the subheader for consistency reasonse, you can leave it if you'd like.

Panini! • 🥪 12:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and pinging Splatana. Panini! • 🥪 21:15, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Panini! Rewrite has been completed! The Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources search engines have almost nothing on the majority of topics discussed in the gameplay section, so I'll have to do some more in depth source searching. Splatana (talk) 15:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Condensement of the article looks pretty complete as far as I can see. In terms of content and flow, it feels pretty complete while also summarizing as much as possible. At the same time, the article has trimmed off a lot of unnecessary words. By the way, the last truly major update in Bloons TD 6 was the Paragon update, back in July 2021, which means the content does not have to be updated further beyond the current summarizations. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 05:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

By the way, the "and to unlock certain Monkey Knowledge in conjunction with Monkey Knowledge Points" is concise enough in my opinion. In the actual game, reaching rows 4 and below require Monkey Money in conjunction with Monkey Knowledge Points, but mentioning specific thresholds is simply redundant in terms of summarizing the overall gameplay of Bloons TD 6. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 05:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Reference error

On reference 27 (at least this is where it was at the time of this revision), the author is apparently named "Fabian" with no specified full name. Since their surname and given name aren't defined explicitly, should we just use |author=Fabian instead of |first-name=Fabian? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 05:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000 I believe that if an author has a pseudonym (which I guess Fabien would count as), you don't need to include the first name and last name parameters. Splatana (talk) 07:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

So, just |author=Fabian? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 19:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000I'm 99% sure that is is just author. Splatana (talk) 07:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Minor change

Should I remove the sentence in the second paragraph stating that playing games on maps adds additional game modes with unique rules? The Gameplay summery does mention additional game modes later on. Splatana (talk) 07:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I removed it, realising that such a sentence was redundant. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 19:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Bloons losing lives

Somehow, this article has no mention about the fact that Bloons leaking causing life loss. Not sure where to get a reference for that though. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 05:24, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Barely any Heroes mentioned

As the big selling point in Bloon tower defense 6, the heroes are barely mentioned. We should list off the Heroes just like the towers, the name, the prices and the release date of the heroes. That way, the heroes are mentioned more and people know what the heroes are.

Hunter Kaminski (talk) 14:10, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, the aim isn't to list every single game element in the game, but to summarise information about the game to interest the general audience. We got Bloons Wiki and other dedicated gaming sites to list full information about each of the towers and heroes, and all the intricate information about in-game content. At most, for heroes, we should mention that there are a wide variety of heroes that each have a unique specialty, and give a few examples of each hero with a unique specialty. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 07:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

A possible error?

in the Wikipedia page, it refers to Moab class bloons as Zeppelin's despite only the zomg being known as a zeppelin. Moabs and bass are referred to as air ships. Should this be changed? Turquoisenugget (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)