Talk:Balladen om killen

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:08, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will get on with this right away! --K. Peake 08:08, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Change the genre in the infobox to only rock since hard rock is not sourced and ballad does not count
• Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox song
• Remove the release year of "Like a Rolling Stone" because it is not notable for the lead
• It is not sourced that the girls are actually invited to an apartment
• Remove pipe on A-side per MOS:LINKSTYLE
• "the single was due to" → ""Balladen om Killen" was due to"
• "role in the production of the single," → "role in the production of the song,"
• "attribute to its'" → "attribute to its"
• "Nonetheless, it garnered positive reviews" → "Nonetheless, the song garnered positive reviews"

Background

• Pipe rock to Rock music
• "and the band had changed" → "They had also changed" starting a new sentence
• "both guitarists of the group, Danne Larsson and" → "the guitarists Danne Larsson and"
• "the band's bassist Göran Lagerberg," → "bassist Göran Lagerberg,"

Recording and composition

• "with Lagerberg himself" → "with the bassist himself"
• "their respective instruments, drums and" → "their respective instruments of drums and"
• Quote box looks good!
• Pipe ballad to Sentimental ballad
• "According to Göran Brandels and" → "according to Göran Brandels and"
• "does sing lead on" → "does sing lead vocals on"
• "Despite this" specify what since this is a new para
• "in which Lagerberg's bandmate Tommy Blom was" → "in which Blom was"
• "which included being cocky" → "such as being cocky"
• "of Lagerberg, and who's" → "of Lagerberg and his"
• Invoke the ref after the fifty years ago quote because they need to be after any direct quotations
• "were putting out at the same time." → "were putting out then."

Release and commercial performance

• "releases, which both have different picture sleeves were" → "releases both have different picture sleeves and were"
• "would not known who Örjan Ramberg was," → "would not have known who Ramberg was," and if this is a problem, write Örjan instead of first name
• "though notes that the" → "though notes the"
• "likely assumed that the image of Ramberg" → "likely assumed how the image of him"
• "of just number 13," → "of only number 13,"
• "It was additionally the only week it appeared" → "This was additionally the only week the song appeared"
• "it also failed to" → "the song also failed to"
• "even though it was never released in his name." → "despite never being released in his name. ", as this is missing the space after the full-stop
• Shouldn't a colon be used instead of semi-colon?
• "and partly due to" → "and also due to" to be less repetitive
• Wikilink bonus tracks per MOS:LINK2SECT

Reception and legacy

• The img's abandoned part is not sourced
• "the single received primarily positive reviews," → "the single was met with primarily positive reviews,"
• "the subject matter, and that the inclusion" → "the subject matter and the inclusion"
• "though they end by noting that" → "though the staff writer ends by noting how"
• Add a writer or the staff of for Aftonbladet and Svenska Dagbladet
• "though write that the song is" → "though write it is"
• "that gives the single a" → "giving the single a"
• Add a full-stop after rock and roll
• Avoid the word claim per WP:CLAIM
• "in Swedish,[33] the release of" → "in Swedish;[33] the release of"
• "as "Balladen om killen" was" → "as "Balladen om killen", was"
• "and that they both should be" → "and thinks they both should be"
• "under his name solo." → "under Ramberg's name solo."
• "such as Siw Malmkvist, and Martin Ljung," → "such as Siw Malmkvist and Martin Ljung,"
• "Although it was only moderately commercially successful, it" → "Despite only being moderately commercially successful, the song"
• "were once again brought into" → "was once again brought into"

Personnel

• Good

Charts

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks excellent at 3.8%!!!
• Remove staff author from refs 29, 30, 31 and 32
• Ditto for ref 34, also add the language parameter

Sources

• Why does one source cite Premium Publishing and the other Premium, or are they different?
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with the Hymn source, add the language and I can't seem to go from page to page

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this went smoothly! --K. Peake 10:08, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

  Solved listed issues with a few exceptions:

  • Staff writers in the reviews formatted after "Mother's Little Helper", which is a GA and feature these citations:
  • "under his name solo." → "under Ramberg's name solo." → replaced it with a sentence instead: "Following the release of the single,[29] Ramberg chose to pursue a career as an actor, with "Balladen om killen" remaining as his only solo release"[13], with an added citation

  Premium and Premium Publishing are the same publisher, just forgot to add the suffix to one of the sources. Should be solved now

  The pages for the Hymn source refers to the physical copy of the article.

  Hopefully all issues should be corrected now. VirreFriberg (talk) 23:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

  VirreFriberg I don't agree with your response to the staff writers part since that is a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, also why have you kept hard rock as the genre when it is not sourced? --K. Peake 09:38, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

  Removed mention of staff writers in the sources and changed genre to simply Rock music as hard rock was indeed unsourced. VirreFriberg (talk) 12:31, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

  VirreFriberg No, what I meant is that you should use the staff or a writer of those publications, or something similar. --K. Peake 08:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  The articles themselves have no named author, but at the same time you stated "Remove staff author from refs 29, 30, 31 and 32" so I'm a bit lost. VirreFriberg (talk) 12:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  VirreFriberg I meant the part you mentioned above for the references themselves; in prose, you need to write "the staff" or "a writer" of the publications said something because it makes no sense to write it as the opinion of a publication. --K. Peake 14:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  Sorry, my mistake. Should be fixed now VirreFriberg (talk) 16:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, we finally found a resolution to the problem! --K. Peake 11:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Red-tailed hawk (talk) 15:27, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the song "Balladen om killen" was unusually released on two record labels, CBS Records International and Mercury Records, around the same time? Source: Brandels, Göran; Wrigholm, Lennart (2012). Boken om Tages: från Avenyn till Abbey Road (in Swedish). Premium Publishing. ISBN 978-91-89136-88-5. Page 318
  • ALT1: ... that despite the heavy involvement of Göran Lagerberg, the song "Balladen om killen" was only credited to Örjan Ramberg under his first name? Source: https://hymn.se/2017/07/24/balladen-om-balladen-om-killen/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tove Birkelund

Improved to Good Article status by VirreFriberg (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 00:08, 20 January 2023 (UTC).

• Recent GA, QPQ done. Length, copyvio spotcheck, etc. all good. Hooks seem neutral, AGFing per GA status that "unusually" (a term also used in text) is not editorializing for the main hook. I have no preference between the two hooks, the promoting admin is welcome to chose the one they think is more interesting. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:33, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
  • @Piotrus: Hi there, please make sure that the hook is backed up by the text of the sourcing – GA nominations frequently come with issues. Many thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:19, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
    • @Theleekycauldron: Thank you for pointing that out. I admit I AGF that part due to GA status. I cannot verify anything from the Swdish book (not online), and I have to say I am having trouble verifying the claim made in the ALT in the machine-translated article provided. Ping User:Onegreatjoke, User:VirreFriberg - hopefully they can provide quotations to back up the hooks. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
      • @Piotrus: Aha. You can assume good faith on any foreign language or otherwise inaccessible citations with {{DYKtickAGF}}, so no worries :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)