Talk:Ayodhya division

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Move logs: Ayodhya division
Faizabad division

Discussions:

RM, Faizabad division → Ayodhya division, No consensus, 6 September 2021, discussion
RM, Faizabad division → Ayodhya division, Procedurally closed, 29 September 2021, discussion
RM, Faizabad division → Ayodhya division, Moved, 5 May 2023, discussion

Name changed

Name of division is Ayodhya. not Faizabad. Name of District and Division is Ayodhya. Currently Faizabad is small town of Ayodhya District.

Please correct it and provide right information to users. S.P.Verma (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is the English Wikipedia, and our articles are based on the common name in English as per the article title, not the official name. This name should be used throughout the article, other than a brief mention of the official name.
We may, eventually, change the name, as we did at Mumbai, after about 10 years, but other articles, such as Bangalore are still under their "English" names, as this is what English readers recognize. - Thank you - Arjayay (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bangalore is common name, it is true because their is only spelling change (now Bengaluru). But here Faizabad division is not any common name. Ayodhya division is the common and famous name. I have checked it, i found that Ayodhya division is more famous and popular name. That's why you can change this Wikipedia's title name as Ayodhya division. Ayodhya-prayagraj (talk) 05:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category renaming discussion

An editor has proposed renaming Category:Faizabad division to Category:Ayodhya division. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 20#Category:Faizabad division-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:42, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: (non-admin closure) NO CONSENSUS User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 22:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With the socking and the WP:ARBIPA issues, the only thing clear here is that consensus has not been found; it will be easier to find consensus through a new proposal than by keeping this one open. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 22:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Faizabad division → Ayodhya division – Google Search engine results are very close to both names, like for "faizabad division" it is around 11,50,000 and for "ayodhya division" 10,90,000. So if we consider "news" sections results, we can clearly see the difference in common name, for "faizabad division" it is around 4000 but for "ayodhya division" it is around 20000. so clearly we can see what should be the article's title according to WP:COMMONNAME. Uttarpradeshi (talk) 18:00, 6 September 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Support one little update to my above data, i have checked recently the random search results again, so for "faizabad division" it is now 11,00,000 and for "ayodhya division" it is 11,30,000. so now my above argument is more strong that common is "ayodhya division". thank you. Uttarpradeshi (talk) 09:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SUPPORT Found extensive coverage by major news outlets with the term "Ayodhya Division" used. Quoting WP:NAMECHANGES directly, "If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match."

Times of India: https://m.timesofindia.com/city/lucknow/maurya-opens-996-projects-of-rs-1500cr-in-ayodhya-div/amp_articleshow/84188071.cms

Hindustan Times: https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/others/300-oxygen-plants-coming-up-in-state-says-up-cm-101620673639897-amp.html

The Week: https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2021/07/08/will-build-roads-in-the-name-of-slain-ayodhya-kar-sevaks-says-up-dy-cm.amp.html

The Hindu: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kartik-purnima-devotees-take-holy-dip-amid-high-security-in-ayodhya/article29951221.ece/amp/

The Pioneer: https://www.dailypioneer.com/2021/state-editions/cm-yogi-assessing-covid-situation-from-ground-zero.html

Outlook: https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/amp/authorities-set-to-give-ayodhya-complete-makeover-after-sc-verdict-in-favour-of-ram-temple/1661492

NDTV: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ram-temple-trust-to-have-office-in-delhis-greater-kailash-2175606?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Official government websites already state it as Ayodhya Division, for example: https://ayodhya.nic.in/ Hindian1947 (talk) 13:35, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

:SUPPORT Here are some other major news publications which have used "Ayodhya Division" instead of "faizabad Division"

India TV News: https://www.indiatvnews.com/amp/news/india/ayodhya-complete-makeover-resorts-five-star-hotel-airport-ram-temple-563415

Tribune India: https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/post-verdict-ayodhya-all-set-for-massive-makeover-128

WION: https://www.wionews.com/india-news/law-and-order-improved-under-bjp-says-pm-modi-in-ayodhya-ahead-of-fifth-phase-of-polls-214984/amp

- Hindian1947 (talk) 05:55, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose the provided sources on talk page do not discuss the subject. They talk about Ayodhya than Ayodhya division. There seems a lot of political controversies about renaming, which needs good sourcing to support the page renaming. The lead section should be updated as "Faizabad division, officially known as Ayodhya division, is an administrative geographical unit[1]" than renaming. WP:COMMONNAME reads Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria. (See Allahabad). TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 11:57, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* Comment:@TheBirdsShedTears there are around 20000 news section results for "ayodhya division" and only 4000 results for "faizabad division" which clearly shows that "ayodhya division" is the common name per WP:COMMONNAME Uttarpradeshi (talk) 06:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Please hold until the SPI is closed — DaxServer (talk to me) 09:50, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~:@DaxServer the suspected sockpuppet is not involved in this RM, so why are you asking to hold this one? Uttarpradeshi (talk) 10:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)~~[reply]

*Support as per Hindian1947. Hindu108 (talk) 06:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 29 September 2021

Faizabad division → Ayodhya division – Proposed Name complies to WP:COMMONNAME SonalMehta06 (talk) 10:40, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done - the last discussion about this closed only 3 days ago - Arjayay (talk) 11:06, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the closure notice again, it clearly mention that "it will be easier to find consensus through a new proposal". so a new proposal should be considered as the extension of the older one, as requested by the closing user. SonalMehta06 (talk) 16:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the intent of the close was to be with no prejudice against speedy re-nomination. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 21:39, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Closing this per the discussion at Talk:Faizabad district. The moratorium there (ending 22 September 2022) applies to this article as well. Editors are advised that all Faizabad --> Ayodhya moves should be listed together after that date.--RegentsPark (comment) 12:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC) RegentsPark (comment) 12:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Faizabad division → Ayodhya division – Proposed Name complies to WP:COMMONNAME SonalMehta06 (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Havelock Jones (talk) 10:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is an administrative subdivision of Uttar Pradesh; Faizabad and Ayodhya are neighboring cities in this province. The subdivision was renamed in 2018: [2] . Many name changes in India are controversial due to religious or linguistic issues. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 21:46, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 5 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed proposal; participants pointed out that this update would be WP:CONSISTENT with the recent move of Faizabad district to Ayodhya district. (non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:59, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Faizabad division → Ayodhya division – Ayodhya division is the common and official name of this administrative division in Uttar Prades. Please change the name of Faizabad division as Ayodhya division. Bikapur (talk) 07:02, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support Ayodhya division: On 13 November 2018, the government renamed Faizabad and Allahabad division as Ayodhya and Prayagraj division. In today's time both Prayagraj and Ayodhya division are common and official name. The names Prayagraj and Ayodhya are being used in news, government papers and even in foreign media. You have changed the name of Allahabad division to Prayagraj division few days ago. That's why you should soon change the name of Faizabad division to Ayodhya division. Bikapur (talk) 16:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/up-cabinet-approves-renaming-of-faizabad-as-ayodhya-allahabad-as-prayagraj/amp_articleshow/66604547.cms#appDwnldBanner

This is the news of November 2018 about the name change of Faizabad and Allahabad division as Ayodhya division and Prayagraj division. Bikapur (talk) 16:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support yes, i agree. Ayodhya division is common name now. And also Faizabad district is already moved to Ayodhya district so it's better to move it too. Rahil1610 (talk) 01:40, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Since corresponding district article has already been updated to current name after discussion; no need to continue showing wrong name of administrative division anymore. Should be updated to current name as soon as possible.–JayB91 (talk) 03:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When Faizabad district is changed to Ayodhya district then why not Faizabad division to Ayodhya division. Rahil1610 (talk) 09:23, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes agree; that's what I wanted to say since Faizabad district has already been updated after discussion to Ayodhya district hence no use of keeping the incorrect name of "Faizabad division" anymore and it should be updated to Ayodhya division.–JayB91 (talk) 18:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because the proposal at Talk:Faizabad district was to move Faizabad district. The proposer could have made a proposal to move many articles whose title was "Faizabad ..." but chose not to. If you read The Old Man and his Sons you will maybe understand why he/she made the choice he did.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
sir please don't start any useless talks. Please change the title name of this Wikipedia page as Ayodhya division as soon as you see my message. Thank you. 2402:3A80:666:16DE:B31:1DB5:254B:AC4F (talk) 23:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.