Talk:Arc System Works
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[edit]I check all of the games were developed/published by Arc System Works, but most of the games (i.e Double Dragon for SMS and Battletoads for Mega Drive) were noting do with Arc System Works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.152.86.255 (talk) 08:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Mobygames lists the game as being developed by Arc co, which later became Arc System Works. However, the game lacks any credits, and the title screen only has the logo of Jaleco. Harizotoh9 (talk) 09:10, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Othello (2009 video game)
[edit]re: [1], Othello (2009 video game) lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) Its current scope assumes that the 2009 DSi version of the game is the same as the 2017 Switch version—it's not. But even if the article is narrowed to the latter version, what significant coverage exists? The article is dependent on primary, affiliated sources for basic information, which is incompatible with the general notability guideline. It has no reviews from major sources and its only two reviews are from minor, Nintendo-focused publications (NWR and NintendoLife). Cubed3 and Gaming Age do not have any of the hallmarks of editorial reliability and shouldn't be cited in the article or considered a contribution towards the game's noteworthiness. An AfD discussion isn't necessary since redirection/merger would preserve a minimally useful search term. I'm not opposed to deletion, but I think redirection is the most generous way forward. czar 01:33, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- support i think you can merge this one with no problem. its like if there was a tic-tac-toe video game out there.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 02:09, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Czar, I won't "vote" for either side here as I am fine either way (this is why I pinged you about the restoration after all), but I feel we need to have a big discussion first.
- 1) "The article is dependent on primary, affiliated sources for basic information, which is incompatible with the general notability guideline." I am not sure WP:GNG on itself directly says that video game articles that are basically reliant on reviews (such as this one) fail it. Never specified.
- 2) "no reviews from major sources" I don't understand this either. Why does it matter if it's covered by the "Gamespot, IGN, Eurogamer" circle or not? So I get you think that a video game is notable only if they review it?
- 3) "reviews are from minor, Nintendo-focused publications (NWR and NintendoLife)" I get this in a way, but I am not sure if they are "minor", nor that it is the right decision to dismiss them as "not bringing anything to notability just because their scope is focused on limited platforms" as both are considered reliable per WP:VG/RS guideline.
- 4) "Cubed3 and Gaming Age do not have any of the hallmarks of editorial reliability" Then why was this not discussed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources first if you think they are unreliable and that WP:VG/RS having them as situational is in wrong for them? If both (and the 2 I added below) get dismissed as unreliable by a consensus, I will gladly support this merge proposal because I am not a huge fan of WP:BARE video game articles and I find them better off being merged.
- 5) In addition to these 2, another 2 should be discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources:
- Digitally Downloaded (once and for all, I would say) http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2017/03/short-n-sweet-reviews-nintendo-switch.html
- Select Button https://www.selectbutton.com/reviews/othello-review/ This seems to have an editorial and review policy, but I am not sure how reliable it really is.
Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:39, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- The GNG's significant coverage asks that the secondary sourcing be wide enough that editors would not have to delve into unreliable claims to make points. Can replace the word "minor" with "niche": ultimately notability is about lasting impact, as established in a preponderance of sourcing. If a game is only reviewed in extremely niche publications, and those reviews are short, and we're grasping at straws to source basic info about the subject, we're not looking at independent notability. Discussing the sourcing at WP:VG/RS is fine by me. czar 15:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hmm, I can see your point especially with LASTING notability, something I have not seen with multiple mobile games on Wikipedia that got coverage in all kinds of reliable sources just because Android+IOS were the next big thing, and not because those games specifically were notable on its own. Some years later about those video games? NOTHING. Problem is that SIGCOV only really requires more than a passing mention in reliable sourcing. This reminds me of the Asian MMOs influx back in 2008-2011, where they mostly got picked up by MMO specific sites like ONRPG, MMOHut, MMORPG website and basically nothing elsewhere, and all those ended up unreliable, making those games fail notability guidelines. I think VG/RS discussion is a good way to clear out some things (actually it is used less than ever, especially with the gaming scope shifting more and more to less AAA budgeted games and more mid tier or indie games which tend to get less covered on bigger websites, especially with Switch opening another door for indies) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:27, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- I revised my thoughts on this. There's an Othello (video game) article and Reversi article. In my humble opinion, it would be best to merge all Othello related articles to Reversi.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 18:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hmm, I can see your point especially with LASTING notability, something I have not seen with multiple mobile games on Wikipedia that got coverage in all kinds of reliable sources just because Android+IOS were the next big thing, and not because those games specifically were notable on its own. Some years later about those video games? NOTHING. Problem is that SIGCOV only really requires more than a passing mention in reliable sourcing. This reminds me of the Asian MMOs influx back in 2008-2011, where they mostly got picked up by MMO specific sites like ONRPG, MMOHut, MMORPG website and basically nothing elsewhere, and all those ended up unreliable, making those games fail notability guidelines. I think VG/RS discussion is a good way to clear out some things (actually it is used less than ever, especially with the gaming scope shifting more and more to less AAA budgeted games and more mid tier or indie games which tend to get less covered on bigger websites, especially with Switch opening another door for indies) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:27, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- The GNG's significant coverage asks that the secondary sourcing be wide enough that editors would not have to delve into unreliable claims to make points. Can replace the word "minor" with "niche": ultimately notability is about lasting impact, as established in a preponderance of sourcing. If a game is only reviewed in extremely niche publications, and those reviews are short, and we're grasping at straws to source basic info about the subject, we're not looking at independent notability. Discussing the sourcing at WP:VG/RS is fine by me. czar 15:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support - There is nothing interesting to say about this game. It works best to just list it on Arc System Work's gameography. TarkusABtalk 18:44, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support per TarkusAB Benjaminkirsc (talk) 19:09, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Not a notable game, could easily be merged into the ASW article. Namcokid47 (talk) 00:19, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Code Shifter artist
[edit]Does anyone know the artist(s) behind the "original" characters in Arc System Works' crossover game Code Shifter? Because the art style reminds me of the artist behind the Tangled: The Series and its film.78.77.143.79 (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Do we add games that they are porting to the list?
[edit]ArcSys is porting Library of Ruina by Project Moon from PC to the Nintendo Switch, should that be added to their list of games? Caucasianhamburger (talk) 03:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
The devs behind Another Code: Recollection
[edit]According to a datamine that was done on the Another Code: Recollection demo last year, the developers behind the title are Arc System Works. VGC's review of the title acknowledges this as well. 83.249.250.95 (talk) 16:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
EDIT: Now its official confirmed that ASW is the developer.--83.249.250.197 (talk) 04:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)