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We understand that he is Governor until August 24, 2021. The date reflects that he will be governor until that date, therefore it shouldn’t matter if we put that date in to show that his term is set to expire on that day. QuestionOfFact (talk) 22:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
QuestionOfFact, (a) yes it matters, because it's a date in the future and things can change. Also putting the date in makes the template think that his term has already ended, even though it's a future date. (b) who is "we"? Only one person should be using your account. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
When I said “we”, I was referring to the community following the case on Governor Cuomo. It is pretty much understood that much can change, and if much does change- the page should be updated to reflect it. Right now, the appropriate thing to do according to Wikipedia’s rules would be to put the date that the term is set to expire. QuestionOfFact (talk) 23:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree. He will probably leave in 14 days, but we don't have the degree of certainty to say that. TFD (talk) 01:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. Yes, we know it is most likely certain that he will leave in 14 days. And yes, things can change. However, the point here should be that if things change, Wikipedia will also update to reflect that change. QuestionOfFact (talk) 02:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree with some of your points, QuestionOfFact, but I reach a different conclusion: Right now he's the Governor of New York. If that changes (like we expect it to), Wikipedia will update to reflect that change. Larry Hockett (Talk) 03:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I understand that, but if you change the dates then people understand that he will be governor until that date. It’s not like we are saying he ISNT governor at the moment. I rest my case, I’m not gonna argue about changing it- by the time anybody gives a crap about changing it the 12 days will have elapsed. QuestionOfFact (talk) 18:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Here's alink to Barack Obama's article from January 19th, 2017, his last full day in office. There is no mention of his final day in the info-box, even though it had been known for four years. (Obama was barred from running for re-election to the presidency for a third third.) TFD (talk) 21:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I moved the information about his resignation from the end of the WP:LEDE to the second sentence where I believe it belongs. I based this on looking at List of resignations from government for any other example where there was an interim period between resignation and date that resignation would be effective to see how we handled it. I found this example, where during the interim period, the resignation was mentioned in the second sentence. --David Tornheim (talk) 07:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Rv good faith - while readers right now may be looking for that information, we are WP:NOTNEWS and it makes more sense logically where it was; it's very doubtful that in WP:10YEARS his resignation will be what he's most notable for
That does not seem a valid reason for the revert. On August 24--only six days from now--the WP:LEDE and infobox will undoubtedly be changed after his resignation becomes effective, because at that time he will no longer be currently serving as governor and present tense must be changed to past tense. In fact, the most relevant line of WP:NOTNEWS says:
Editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date information within its coverage...
Not done:On August 10, 2021 Cuomo announced he would step down as Governor of New York, effective August 24. Also that won't stop him from being a lawyer, author, etc. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Midnight resignation: Departure date - Aug 23 or 24
Making it known, per Huffington Post, that Cuomo's resignation will take affect at midnight EST. This means Cuomo's departure date will be August 23, 2021, while Hochul's taking office date will be August 24, 2021. PS - What can I say? it's a New York thing & you can't both be governor concurrently, not even for a fraction of a second :) GoodDay (talk) 03:27, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Cuomo's departure date would be August 23, 2021. See bios of the other NY governors who've ended their terms ad midnight New Year's Day. They have it (correctly) as December 31 & not January 1. GoodDay (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Exactly, at no time is he gonna be governor on August 24, 2021. Not even for a nano second. See the departure dates of the NY governors who completed their terms at midnight on January 1. They (correctly) use the departure date, December 31. Same thing with Mexican presidents (Nov 30, not Dec 1) & Brazilian presidents & vice presidents (Dec 31, not Jan 1). GoodDay (talk) 03:49, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
I know exactly what the source says. But, you're not getting what I'm explaining to you. I'll let somebody else try. Meanwhile, be frustrated as editors will correctly put in the August 23 date, if the resignation take affect at exactly midnight & not a nano second after. GoodDay (talk) 03:58, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
I understand what you're saying. He's was in office all the way up until the 24th. That's a style choice for the infobox. Either way is correct, and I'd rather match the date on the letter. ― Tartan357Talk04:04, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Argued about this years ago (midnight office changes) on many bio articles. Finally, I realised that they were correct about the departure date, which if applied 'here', would be August 23, 2021. I'm not surprised though, if many editors haven't grasped this oddity, though. Oh, if only he'd resigned at 4:00:01 (UTC), August 24, then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. GoodDay (talk) 04:29, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, that's a good recommendation to avoid situations exactly like this. Speaking of which, this source says Hochul was sworn in at 12:01 a.m. (which I can't find anywhere else), so who was governor from 12:00:00 to 12:00:59? Or do you not have to be sworn-in as governor in order to count as "being" the governor if the previous guy already left? (And where else besides Wikipedia are there people I can bicker about this with? :D) Davey2116 (talk) 04:38, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Succession is automatic, upon predecessors death, resignation or removal from office via impeachment conviction. GoodDay (talk) 04:42, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
12:00 to 12:00:59 would make Hochul Governor-Designate, so it wouldn’t make a difference. Cuomo is still stripped of his title at 11:59:59 meaning Hochul automatically succeeds him. QuestionOfFact (talk) 22:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Technically, he is not resigning. He filed for RETIREMENT.
Right, and he filed for "retirement" early. He's retiring after saying he was going to resign. Resigning implies walking away from the table because one recognizes one's wrongnesses, not taking every last bit with you. He's retired. And that's the way his official paperwork -his filings for retirement- reflects. 38.73.253.217 (talk) 13:18, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
So whenever someone is defeated in an election and draws a pension, should we say they retired instead of saying they were defeated? In both cases retirement is a result of their loss of office, not its cause. TFD (talk) 21:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
I have added it to the article. It is not that he is leaving because of retirement, which he is not. He is resigning. He has filed for the retirement pension he is qualified for because of his 14+ years of state service. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:13, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Four years as attorney general & over ten years as governor. Yup, unfortunately he qualifies for the pension. Unless the Assembly chooses to impeach & the Senate chooses to convict & strip him of that pension. GoodDay (talk) 23:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York served as Chair of the National Governor's Association between 2020-2021 (on twitter this morning, 9/13/2021); the new "editors of wikipedia" (see intellectual property crime above; e.g., the above group removed the wikipedia of the National Institute on Disability Research and Rehabilitation of the US and its federal centers "because of Cuomo family leadership"; and the Nation's Long Term Services and Supports) has his personal address as "Kathy Hochul" (again see "edits" on the browser; also see already frauded in less than a month is the Governor from Utah serving on Cuomo's Executive Committee). I've had over a half decade of wikipedia crime and am a Cuomo Democrat of New York. Julie Ann Racino, American Society for Public Administration, HHSA Executive Board (2017-2018), 2021 2603:7081:2040:9200:5485:931D:F91F:BEE5 (talk) 14:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)JARacino2603:7081:2040:9200:5485:931D:F91F:BEE5 (talk) 14:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
The non-neutrality flag on the "Controversies" section, urging its incorporation into the article, looks pretty bad as people are coming to the article for background right now, because Cuomo has been further accused of sexual improprieties. I suggest that the flagged section be incorporated into the article now, as suggested, and the flag removed. I am personally against the placement of "Controversies" sections in bios on general principles, so i am only asking for something i have often advocated -- the integration of controversies into a chronological timeline rather than their call-out as a special "Ooooh! Shocking!" section. Other than that, the article reads well and i have no further comments. 75.101.104.17 (talk) 17:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Update
We stopped by to see how much tampering the wikipedia group could do in a month "at the Democratic political gates" which include National Institute on Disability Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR) and Long Term Services and Supports (LTSS), funded in US as M-LTSS. Wiki groups destroyed site after site to become tabloids and revisionist lies!
Regarding the below, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, as he completed his successful term as Chair of the National Governors Association (2020-2021), was urged not to resign and the message was forwarded to the Democratic Chair of New York State. We look forward to working with him (yes, politics is personal; and yes, he does not know) in the decades to come, and "suggest the tabloids on this site" investigate "South Asian charity representatives at the 2016 Democratic National Convention".
Julie Ann Racino, American Society for Public Administration, 2021 2603:7081:2040:9200:5485:931D:F91F:BEE5 (talk)JARacino2603:7081:2040:9200:5485:931D:F91F:BEE5 (talk) 14:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
This is incorrect. He announced his resignation, but it does not take effect IMMEDIATELY. It takes place 14 days after it is announced; meaning August 24th is the day he is no longer Governor of New York. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 18:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
RfC for lead image
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Responding to an ANRFC request, I find that there is no consensus. Editors express concerns with all of the images present: some opine that image 5 is "grainy" and has an "abysmal resolution"; others object that image 3 is backlit, outdated, and unflattering, while still others criticize image 7's background or image 6's shadow. (Other images gained little or no support at all.) As a closer, I can find no policy basis to favor or discount any of these arguments: the selection of a lead image is fundamentally a question of aesthetic opinion on which reasonable minds can and do disagree. Given the numerical deadlock between images 5 and 3, as well as the lack of majority support for any option, I cannot divine a consensus from this discussion, and the status quo should thus hold.If there is a desire to litigate this matter further, the following observations may prove helpful. First, the large number of suggestions prevented consensus from coalescing around any particular image. If this matter is to be discussed again in the future, it would be prudent to prevent the presentation of a ponderous proliferation of pictures. Second, the participants seem to share a general antipathy toward all of the images discussed: HAL333's comment that "none of these are great" is typical. If another, higher-quality image can be obtained (perhaps some sort of official photograph), it would be more likely to gain consensus.I note for the record that I discounted a comment supporting "Option 4 or 5, even though they're a bit off, because so is he", for obvious reasons. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Option Five, the current one, where he's smiling. He has an odd look in most of the others. Ann Teak (talk)
Option 3 strikes a middle ground between his smiling and frowning facial expressions in the other images. I think this is the most neutral facial expression, and therefore the best option. (Option 1 would be my second choice.) ––FormalDudetalk01:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Option 3: I think that the current image looks grainy and weird from my screen (Likely due to the low resolution), option 1 and 4 seems way to zoomed out, and the expressions in 2 and 6 seems a bit weird Justiyaya08:37, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Option 3. While his facial expression looks a bit more normal in 5, 5 is really grainy and low def (if there was a higher definition version of 5 I would prefer it the most). 2 is just a bit odd, and you can't really see his face that well behind the shadow in 6. 3 is just the least-worst option.Option 7 was just added, I like this one the most actually. Not sure how well this RfC will work as images have trickled in after people have !voted. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 07:34, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
3 or 5 as decent close-up images of his face; 1 is tilted, 2 is a weird facial expression and 6 is too much in shadow. -sche (talk) 19:35, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Option 6. This photo appears to be a recent photo and also is a higher resolution than the other photos. Though the shadow on the picture is not ideal, it appears to be the best of the suggested options. Jurisdicta (talk) 05:50, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Option 5 as first choice, option 7 as second choice. Oppose 1 and 3 because he looks too pose-y and is looking somewhere else, oppose 2 cause of the saturation, oppose 4 cause of the zoom (too far away), and oppose 6 cause of the zoom (too close up). Option 5 and 7 both seem the most normal, but slightly prefer 5 because of the background (curtains instead of the subway). Some1 (talk) 00:10, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Option 3. He's smiling, good portrait, it's a quality photo and high resolution. Option 4/5 is abysmal resolution, and the smile is a bit over the top for a portrait. Option 2 is atrocious, but fortunately it has no votes anyway. Alsee (talk) 01:09, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Option 7 or 3 - Unlike Option 5 (the current image) this photo is more recent, of a higher camera quality, and is cropped in the same way as other lead images for articles about politicians. Also, he's still smiling in this photo too. Three is my second choice because its of a higher quality and he has a neutral expression on his face. BlueShirtz (talk) 00:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Option 3 This appears to be the best one. It's relatively good quality and straight on and he is making a neutral expression. I noticed 5 is the most popular, and I'm surprised since how bad quality it is. I think option 6 would be my 2nd option, it's just not as straight on as option 3. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 05:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Option 3 but none of these are great. Isn't there at least one high quality portrait released by his (former) office? ~ HAL33317:14, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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The current wording is fine: "On October 28, 2021, a spokesman for the state court system announced that Cuomo would be charged with misdemeanor "Sex Crime" in the Albany City Court." While there is always room for improvement, I don't see why this should promote an edit war. TFD (talk) 23:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Please include this in the article that Albany County District Attorney David Soares has dismissed a criminal complaint he filed against Cuomo and also declined to pursue other potential criminal charges.2601:447:4000:220:10FA:BF4E:A9AB:3CFE (talk) 22:24, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2022
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On October 28, 2021, a spokesman for the state court system announced that Cuomo would be charged with a misdemeanor sex crime in the Albany City Court.[1]
On October 28, 2021, a spokesman for the state court system announced that Cuomo would be charged with a misdemeanor sex crime in the Albany City Court.[2] The office of Albany County Sheriff Craig Apple would file a criminal complaint against Cuomo related to Brittany Commisso’s groping allegation.[3] However, on January 4, 2022, Albany County District Attorney David Soares declined to prosecute Cuomo and asked a judge to dismiss the complaint, stating that "While we found the complainant in this case cooperative and credible, after review of all the available evidence, we have concluded that we cannot meet our burden at trial.”[4] Soares also stated that his office considered other potential criminal charges, but none fit the allegations.[4]2601:447:4000:220:1959:7952:E4E3:A8B3 (talk) 22:31, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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On December 28, the Westchester County district attorney declined to issue criminal charges from the credible allegations, citing "statutory requirements" of New York's laws.[1][2]
On December 28, the Westchester County district attorney declined to issue criminal charges from the credible allegations, citing "statutory requirements" of New York's laws.[3][4] On January 7, 2022, a judge dismissed a criminal complaint which was filed against Cuomo.[5]2601:447:4000:220:607E:7564:26E9:46DF (talk) 22:21, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I am not a native English speaking editor, but the sentence "At the time of his resignation, he was the longest-tenured governor in the United States" made me thinking what it really mean, so I decided to reword it better. However I do not have a source for the date I used for the beginning date (January 7, 2019), it is my own research, but there was no source before my edit either. I found that before him Butch Otter had this record, who served continuously from January 1, 2007. So please double check it! Thanks! JSoos (talk) 19:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
@Mateodepalacios: I understand, it is much easier to delete a relevant statement with error, than correct it. So I was wrong, before him it was not Otter but Gary Herbert, so the beginning date is 4 January 2021. Still I can not put reference, only the snapshot of the list of current governors article proves it (Ordered Inauguration column shows it):
@BarrelProof: Q: "Who really cares about this very narrow category of distinction?" A: I think if somebody serves a position for a very long time, making a record long service among all the governors, may be worth to mention. JSoos (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Sorry for not noticing this discussion before acting. For some reason the first ping did not work (the second one did). I also had not realized that the sentence had a longer history than I was aware of, as I had not seen this Talk page discussion. I just think it is a relatively minor point, and the lead section of the article should be brief and should be only a distilled summary. I certainly have no problem with mentioning this in the body of the article, but I lean against its inclusion in the lead section. For the record, at the time of my removal of the sentence, it said "From Utah governor Gary Herbert's retirement on January 4, 2021, until he resigned, he was the longest-tenured governor in the United States still in position." Can we at least move some of the detail into the article body? — BarrelProof (talk) 18:25, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for answering! The original sentence was amended to the fact of his resignation, as "At the time of his resignation, he had the longest tenure of any incumbent governor...". I think it is worth to mention in the lead, that he was the "longest serving" at that time, details of from/to could be unnecessary details which could be in a note eg. as: "From Utah governor Gary Herbert's retirement on January 4, 2021, until he resigned on August 23, 2021, he was the longest tenured governor still in position, serving 3887 days." It is connecting to the facts as written before about his fathers long service. JSoos (talk) 18:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Not done for now: It's effective in 14 days ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Done. Removed from lead. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 01:29, 1 August 2021 (UTC) "Ganbaruby is considered to be an active criminal!"
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