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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the 1818 Akure–Benin War led to the Akure Kingdom becoming a vassal state of the Benin Kingdom?

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 15:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this shortly--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sturmvogel 66, is this review moving forward? Generally, GA comments should be made within a week or so for the nominator to respond to. If you no longer have time for this review, we can always send it back into circulation - just let me know what you would like to do. There's a number of other open GA reviews you began more than a week ago with no comments yet. —Ganesha811 (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to take my time on reviews; but be sure they'll all be completed before the end of the month.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. If you can, please ping the nominators to give them a rough idea of your timing, just so they know what to expect. —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:54, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image is appropriately licensed
What do you mean by "top commanders?" Senior or best?
- Yes, senior. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's still in the lead.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC) Done[reply]
    Done Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
under a single leadership single "leader"
- Done changed to "leader". --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a bit too much about the founding of the Akure Kingdom; compress all the Background section into no more than 2 paragraphs that focus on the relationship between Benin and Akure leading up to the time when the war began
- Done Fixed. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Looks OK.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clarify that the Bini people were from Benin
- Will wikilinking to Bini people not do this? --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - That will work just fine.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
who harboured covetousness for Chief Osague's splendid adornments awkward
- I removed splendid from here... is that okay? --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually "harboured covetousness" was the biggest problem. Simplify that.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC) Done[reply]
    Done I fixed this. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It took two years to deliver the Chalk of Good Tidings?
- Following the story logically, that is exactly what you'll find out. Even though there's no source that says it took two years. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I further clarified it in my subsequent edits. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clarify that these incidents in the causes section took place in 1818 earlier in the section
- Done Fixed. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and guns were used extensively this makes no sense placed where it's at as it's irrelevant to causes
- Done Removed. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More later.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sturmvogel 66: Pinging you to check in. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Deji was captured and beheaded and his son, Adésọ́rọ̀ (Osupa), was taken as a prisoner to Benin. This is not related to the causes of the war.
- Done --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The course section has several issues.
- @Sturmvogel 66: While I have fixed some, like the single-sentence paragraphs, what others? --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't use single-sentence paragraphs
- Done --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are the Okearo and Okelisa routes?
- Okearo was a town and is now the name of a route currently in Ondo State, while Okelisa remains a town which is in present-day Ogun State, Nigeria. They currently do not have articles on Wikipedia. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add links to all these places not linked earlier
- Same as above, they do not have articles on Wikipedia--Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Red links are perfectly acceptable. Or just say that the armies took different routes.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Not done The more I think about this, I think that you should just say that the various armies took different routes to encircle the Akure forces.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Done Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why isn't the Omonoyan Army discussed before it blows up the palace?
- Omonoyan was part of the Benin armies, he was only notable because he was the one that fired the canon, nothing else. Omonoyan is part of the Benin armies, so anything Benin armies is mentioned, Omonoyan is presumably mentioned. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - That's not how it comes across since you mention three different armies earlier. Which one did Omonoyan come from? And clarify that Omonoyan was a single man--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Not done--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done I have done general reworking, this should no longer be an issue. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just say that the Deji was beheaded rather than "sentenced to death by beheading"
- Done --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lots of duplicate links; this is a short article, linking only on first use will do just fine
- Done --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, Done--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sturmvogel 66 How about now? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More later--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wondering if I should ping you @Sturmvogel 66, :-) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need; busy weekend offline. I'll give you some comments later tonite.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much of the first paragraph of the consequences section duplicates the last paragraph of the course section although it does add more detail. Change the last paragraph of the course section to say that Arakale was captured and Akure vassalized, leaving the details to the consequences section
- Done --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When faced with imminent danger, he defended himself by employing a pistol. Excessive detail
- Removed --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After their triumph in Akure, both the Ezomo and the Ologbosere suffered from mysterious illnesses and passed away during their return journey to Benin This contradicts the info you presented several paragraphs earlier when you said that the Ezomo died from smallpox.
- Removed Since it already appears at the early consequences. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Their deaths were regarded as occurring while in active service. This is irrelevant detail
- Removed --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For a brief period, the Ekitis remained loyal to the Oba of Benin but later rebelled.[47] This led to another military operation under the command of Omemu, one of the front commanders of the Benin army. Omemu convened Ekiti's leading chiefs at Igbara Oke, but they adopted a hostile stance, resulting in their defeat in the fierce battle.[44] With the success of this campaign, the Ekitis renewed their allegiance to the Oba of Benin, and the payment of tribute continued until the British occupation in 1897. Not a direct consequence of the war; delete this
- Removed --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oyodo was later tasked by the Ore of Otun to combat their enemies, the Araye.[44] However, due to his harsh and frugal leadership, coupled with fatigue, Oyodo's soldiers deserted, leading to his capture and beheading by the Araye.[44] Upon hearing the news, Imadiyi resumed the war, and after a decisive battle near Otun, the Araye surrendered, establishing peace.[44] Despite his victory, Imadiyi succumbed to fever and died at Ijero while returning to Benin. When did this happen? If not shortly after the war, it's irrelevant and should be deleted.
- Removed --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More later--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What you've done so far looks good, but are still a few things mentioned above that need to be addressed.
In cite 19 you've got some missing spaces between words
- Done --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's some close paraphrasing going on with your sources. You need to put things in your own words without just re-arranging the words in the sources. See WP:CLOP for things to look out for.
- @Sturmvogel 66: Done I have done general reworking, this should no longer be an issue. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alphabetize your sources by the principal author's last name.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One last quibble, why are Roese & Smith in all caps? They should be in the same format as all the other authors, regardless of how the journal writes them. Everything else looks good.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sturmvogel 66 Done Fixed, but I bet if Citation runs that article, it might turn it back to all caps, it comes from the publication, not us. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, that's strange.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 01:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the 1818 Akure–Benin War led to Akure Kingdom becoming a vassal state of Benin Kingdom? Source: Adegbulu, F (10 August 2010). "Edo N'ekue Phenomenon: A Study in Pre-colonial Benin Imperialism and its Impact on Akure, Ikere and other Communities". Lwati. 7 (2) pp. 88. doi:10.4314/lwati.v7i2.57533. S2CID 144157865
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Improved to Good Article status by Vanderwaalforces (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]

No QPQ required. No image. Article promoted to GA today (March 19). Hook is interesting, article is long enough, article is NPOV. Earwig returns 14.5% on copyvio (violation unlikely). The only potential issue is the source. I need a little additional clarity to ensure that Lwati is not a predatory journal. I'm unable to find it indexed in any of the normal places (i.e. EBSCO, etc.), it charges a mandatory publication fee, and the specific article in question is 14 years old but has only been cited in one other source (an unpublished paper). Vanderwaalforces - could you potentially either clarify the status of Lwati or provide an alternate source for the hook? Other than that, this should be good to go. Chetsford (talk) 02:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, changing this to approved. On further review, Old Dominion University classifies AJO as a "good" OA publisher [1]. So this should be clear. Good work / good article, Vanderwaalforces! Chetsford (talk) 02:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chetsford: It is actually a good journal, thank you! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 04:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dates

@Vanderwaalforces: I came across this page while going through DYK-scheduled hooks, and was struck by the absence of dates in the article. This war happened in 1818, but it isn't mentioned when in the year it occurred, or even how long it lasted – it seems like a strange omission to me. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 18:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All I know and could find is 1818, I wasn’t existing by then and no source mention the exact time in 1818 that it happened. Do you expect me to put any random date in 1818? This is not a question you should answer though. It’s a matter of WP:V. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanderwaalforces, what's a Chalk of Good Tidings? Neocorelight (Talk) 01:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neocorelight Hi there, a "Chalk of Good Tidings" was usually sent to all vassals of the Kingdom, letting them know that a new Oba has ascended the throne. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]