Talk:2021 Pacific hurricane season

Andres

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Should Andres get an article since its the earliest EPAC named storm and has been bringing rain to Southwestern Mexico?DachshundLover82 (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

IMO, yes. Almost all other early-forming or late-forming TCs that nearly break records for their formation have had articles created.>User:CoolStuffYT 16:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@CoolStuffYT: No, that is rather inaccurate. Andrea 2019 have an article? Did Adrian 2017? Did Arelene 2017 in the Atlantic need an article because it destroyed an early formation record? Did One-E 2020 need one, even though it was technically earlier than Andres? Those were all pre season storms and they didn't need articles and there is a clear reason for that. Also, just because theres 1 source FORECASTING that Mexico might get some rain showers from the storm doesn't give it any more notablility. I will and forever will oppose these sort of goofy article requests... Hurricaneboy23 (page) * (talk) 16:38, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but Andres is having some impacts on the coast. None of the ones you mentioned do. Honestly, I'm 50/50 for this User:CoolstuffYT — Preceding undated comment added 00:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Actually check the weather reports from Southwestern Mexico before calling an article request "goofy". This was an actual record breaker and should have an article like Pali.DachshundLover82 (talk) 16:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

There are dozens of articles under the word "lluvias (rain)" in Colima, Michoacán, and Guerrero. This is causing rain along the coast of Mexico.DachshundLover82 (talk) 16:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

It is not causing rain. It is predicted to, and even when it is, impacts very likely won't be significant enough to warrant an article. Just because it's off season also doesn't mean anything, or according to you, a "record breaker"... plenty of other storms like this out there that never and never will need an article, which I have already explained and which you seem to have disregarded? You already have been notified about copying within Wikipedia for your articles which is a no-go and have had some of your articles moved back to draftspace or turned into redirects for a distinct lack of WP:NOTABILITY. I seriously doubt any attempts to making this an article will make well. Hurricaneboy23 (page) * (talk) 17:30, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright you are now starting to become borderline rude at this point. That was a notification for an action made months ago, people can change. All you seem to be obsessed about is starting edit conflicts and trying to delete/merge articles. You even broke a merge moratorium in December which is a “no-go”. We have had articles made for the EPAC for breaking records/intensity that had minor impacts on land, example Hurricane Hernan (2002). You are now resorting to insult because you are trying to break Wikipedia:I just don't like it. I’m done here!DachshundLover82 (talk) 18:08, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Also some of my articles were moved back to draftspace because I didn’t even move them to the mainspace in the first place. We were waiting for them to impact land until HurricaneEdgar moved them prematurely. He has been notified of this and I’m sure he is trying his best to not do it again. Please do your research before making these claims.DachshundLover82 (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I was seeming rude, that was not my intention. I was merely stating some facts on my side. However, my point definitely still stands on Andres (and IMO lots of other articles you yourself were working on, but thats unrelated) not being notable. Its not "I don't like it", its "We don't need it." In this case, I feel like you're the one who needs to do research... before considering creating an article.

By the way, Hernan 2002 was a Category 5 Pacific hurricane. NOT an off season, weak tropical storm. Bad comparison. Hurricaneboy23 (page) * (talk) 18:49, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Personally I dont think the storm should get an article, since all you can really say is that it was the earliest tropical cyclone in a calendar year within the North Eastern Pacific basin. After all tropical cyclones have formed in the SPAC between America and 140W or even 180. A bit of digging would also show that this system isnt even the earliest tropical cyclone in a calendar year for the whole of the Pacific yet alone between the Americas and 180. If it causes a bit of rainfall in Mexico and some significant impacts then we can revisit the article question - if not then I do not see why we need one when the season article would be enough to accommodatet he system. Jason Rees (talk) 19:47, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Agree per Jason Rees. Hurricaneboy23 (page) * (talk) 19:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per the above. Forming early is not enough for an article. This storm can be covered decently in its season section. Noah^Talk 20:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
• I don't see the point in one because everything that needs to be said can be said in the season article. Simply being an off-season storm isn't a good reason to make an article if that's all the storm ever did. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 22:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

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PTC 2

So, if Blanca were to form.from this wave, would it.be a record earliest 2nd named storm? If so, should we add a table? SputtyTheSputnik (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

We would only need a table if more storms break the earliest xth-named storm. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

@SputtyTheSputnik: I don't really see the need for a table of earliest named storms for the Eastern Pacific, as I strongly suspect that it would be trivial considering that most of them would be in the SPAC to the east of 180.Jason Rees (talk) 23:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello

May I suggest putting this page on semi-protected due to IP address vandalising the page.

Thanks

2A00:23C4:3A0A:6001:9C7A:1421:26C3:89AB (talk) 17:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP user, I have already sent a RFP request. Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 17:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Reminder for amateur editors

Pls don't use the refresh link, like this one --> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPEP1+shtml/160250.shtml? It's unstable and refresh every time an update comes. Instead use the archived links which are archived by the NHC. You can find in the archive section. And also the date format should be July 18, 2021 instead of 2021-07-18, it's way more readable, and it's used by official agencies. Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 08:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Why Felicia cannot have a main page

It was quite strong. Is there a rule about creating new pages of individual tropical cyclones? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Golurk88 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Golurk88: Because for storms to have articles, they have to be notable enough, which means they usually have to cause severe impacts, since a storm in the middle of the ocean probably won't be remembered much in the future. Akbermamps 07:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) In practice, articles on individual tropical cyclones are only created if they had significant impacts on land, such that they are notable enough (see Wikipedia's notability criteria for events) and there is enough content to justify spinning off a separate article. Storms that remain out at sea and have no impact on humans, like Felicia, usually do not get articles unless they possess extremely significant meteorological notability, for example by breaking multiple prominent records. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 07:33, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Golurk88, Felicia doesn't need an article because, it didn't affected land. Like Douglas it peaked as a Category 4, but unlike Douglas it didn't impacted land like Hawaii, where Douglas did made a landfall in one of the island chain of Hawaii, while Felicia became remnant low before even arriving to Hawaii. So you can clearly see there isn't enough impact info for Felicia and clearly fails to meet the the WP:NN criteria. Anyways if you want you can create a draft and submit to the WP:AfC, but I highly doubt that it will pass. Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 07:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Also as KN2731 said, it also didn't make any meteorological record (other than being the first major hurricane of the season). Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 07:36, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Why Is Jimena before Ignacio

They Should be in alphabetical order Builder900 (talk) 20:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Builder900: Jimena formed before Ignacio as Tropical Depression Nine-E. I'll put a note up since something like this in the Atlantic caused confusion last year. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Are we going to have this discussion every year? FYI @Builder900: storms are not listed in alphabetical order, they are listed according to their designation number (i.e. the number the NHC assigns to each tropical depression as they form). Jimena started as Tropical Depression Nine-E while Ignacio was Tropical Depression Ten-E before being named. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Aside regarding Linda

Parking this Tweet-chain about Linda's CPAC regeneration and potential impact in Hawaii, b/c while it comes from a reputable source it's just a tweet-chain so far. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Supposed hurricane Grace-Marty

I have doubts. As with hurricane César-Douglas, is there a possibility that hurricane Grace also has a composite name? Low pressure is the same. André L P Souza (talk) 22:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, @André L P Souza:, Grace will most likely not have a composite name. There are a few big differences between both systems. For César-Douglas, the circulation completely survived the crossover, the cyclone did not dissipate at landfall, and the system had tropical storm-force winds the entire time. Once it crossed over, it received a different name, due to the naming protocols for that period of time. Grace and its circulation on the other hand, did dissipate upon landfall. The redevelopment of Marty was due to the Mid-Level vortex and remnants surviving the crossover, most similar to Hurricane Nana and Julio last year. However, the LLC did dissipate before reemerging. Hope this helps clear things up a bit. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 23:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

CycloneFootball71 thanks for the report. I have the page "furacão Grace" created in Portuguese and I was afraid of having to move it to another place. André L P Souza (talk) 23:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem, glad things got cleared up. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 23:29, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Nora (draft)

Hi, guys there is a draft of Nora User:HurricaneParrot/sandbox/Tropical Storm Nora (2021) you are welcome to improve. thank you HurricaneEdgar 05:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

I have more information about Hurricane Nora. He left 1 dead and 7 missing in Jalisco. André L P Souza (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Olaf (draft)

Hello, there is a draft of Hurricane Olaf at Draft:Hurricane Olaf (2021) if you would like to improve it. Thanks :) Kellis7 14:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

• Is there a reason why it, along with drafts for Enrique and Nora, are not published? It's not going to get any better hidden from the live Wikipedia. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 20:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

  Draft articles are usually created if something could be notable. Some personal examples include the draft I made for the 2021 San Jose shooting before the incident was sufficiently notable. A failed example is the draft I made for Atlantic storm Mindy. It was not nearly notable enough to be moved to the mainspace.

  If you would like, you could submit the draft for review. To learn about it, check here. Kellis7 Twenty years; Never forget 03:00, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

  @Kellis7 and Yellow Evan: I added a lot to the Olaf draft, I believe it should be published, as there really isn't much more info out there since it was so recent. As for Enrique and Nora, they can get significantly better quickly, I just need to find time to add some Spanish refs to them (I also believe the Nora draft was deleted by HurricaneEdgar) to expand them. JayTee🕊️ 03:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you for your contributions, I will be submitting it soon. Kellis7 Twenty years; Never forget 03:18, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you for making the draft, I wish someone had done it sooner. Could someone delete the redirect? I think we should publish this without AfC since Olaf is clearly notable. JayTee🕊️ 03:27, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

• Need an admin to delete the redirect. This is part of the reason why I’m not found of draft space, and I think for a project like this, AFC is unnecessary bureaucracy for a niche subject like this. Honestly if you’re not sure on whether an active storm could merit an article my best advice is to expand the season section first and then split it off when necessary. And FWIW, I do think Mindy can merit an article down the line actually. JayTee32 (talk · contribs), is there a reason why Enrique and Nora *can’t* be published right now? It’s a bit strange given their impacts which have a long precedent of warranting articles. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 04:07, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
• The redirect's deleted now. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you @Jo-Jo Eumerus:; @Yellow Evan:, I'm aware we needed an admin to delete the redirect, that's why I asked (thank you for your help though). As for Enrique and Nora, Enrique's draft is pretty much a shell of an article that needs to be expanded greatly, and I'd rather have it a better prose length before being published. And Nora's draft has been deleted, I plan to make the article without AfC. As for the rest, I think Larry and Mindy warrant articles too, and I think there may even be a possible route for a Linda article too because of its effects in Mexico and Hawaii. JayTee🕊️ 15:12, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

  Draft:Hurricane Nora (2021) still exists. If this was a more obscure and less recent storm, I'd agree with holding it off but given the amount of interest recent seasons get, I'd be in favor of publication. Also, perhaps more importantly than anything in this basin, Draft:Typhoon Chanthu (2021) should be published like yesterday. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 20:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

  Agreed, glad to see that has been published. But "more importantly than anything in this basin"? I feel like this year especially there has been a significant lack of coverage of tropical cyclones in the East Pacific, several of which have had notable impact in Mexico. I agree that these need to get published but I'd rather make them more comprehensive in coverage first. JayTee🕊️ 21:33, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

  What harm is there on publishing when it's more likely to be improved and seen in the mainspace? As for Chanthu, it's a Category 5 that affected multiple Asian countries - not really a situation that is applicable in this basin. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 23:51, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Linda article

Linda caused impacts in Hawaii. It was also long-lived, and strong. It is also pretty notable. IMO, storms I would think of when thinking of the season would be Nora, Linda, Pamela, and Dolores. Could someone start a draft Hurricane Chandler (talk) 21:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

It literally only has one long paragraph on this page. Impacts were minimal overall, so this is not deserving of an article. United States Man (talk) 21:32, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay thanks! Hurricane Chandler (talk) 21:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)