Talk:2008 Atlantic hurricane season/Archive 2

Bertha

Hi. Can we include some links to past versions of the computer models, the ones that predicted Bertha's formation a week in advance, available from http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs (or is that not reliable enough even to show that they predicted them in the first place)? Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 16:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only the GFS and Canadian forecasted its existence before Sunday (June 29), and they were way to slow, and slowing the system down by one day each day, normally a sign of a false alarm. According to those pieces of guidance from the 29, the cyclone should be near 15n 33w on July 6, so it's unclear this was even Bertha. Before Sunday, I don't think you can say the global guidance had a handle on the disturbance that became Bertha, which is why it didn't show up on the HPC forecast maps as a low until the guidance did have a handle on the disturbance on Monday (June 30). It wouldn't be the first time a statement showed up in the TCD that was not fully correct. Keep in mind it is a real-time product, and technically isn't a primary source for that reason, should someone question it. Its par is slightly above that of a blog. I've wondered whether we should really be using these within wikipedia articles for this type of reason. Thegreatdr (talk) 10:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, although it is days away from being warranted (if at all operationally), I am wondering if a sandbox for an article should be initiated? CrazyC83 (talk) 19:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not a bad idea. We have plenty of time, but I would be very surprised if this storm didn't affect land. People here in Bermuda are already talking about it. Plasticup ^T/C 20:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox. Feel free to expand it. I will update the storm history further. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 22:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just tried to update it to reflect the fact it was upgraded to Hurricane at the 5am advisory. I probably missed something. - JVG (talk) 09:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was watching Bertha's satellite profile from my desk at work and wondering how it doubled in 3 hours... sure enough by the time I got home it was upgraded to a Cat3. Didn't even stop at Cat2 on the way. I say we brush up the sandbox and go live - my neighbors have all gone out to stock up on water, batteries, etc and I cannot imagine this storm being non-notable. Plasticup ^T/C 21:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bertha may brush Bermuda as the NHC forecast track shows but it's more likely that Bertha will be a fish storm. However, Bertha is a notable storm as it broke three formation records, easternmost tropical storm, hurricane, and major hurricane before August. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks that way now, yes. At the time of my edit the 5th day forecast was within 20 miles of Bermuda, but it has since swung east. But as you said, it is still an interesting (and notable) storm. Plasticup ^T/C 18:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As the past few years has shown, pretty much every storm that wasn't a 24 hour 35kt storm can have an article. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 19:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. An anon just changed Bertha's 5-day map to its past track map. Is this okay or should we keep the 5-day track as the storm is far from dissapated? We upload a new image of the 5-day track every new advisory so wouldn't removing it from the English Wikipedia defeat that purpose? Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 19:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

5-day map until dissipation. Track Map after that. Notice that the 5-day image is still in the storm's primary article. Plasticup ^T/C 19:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Longest Lasting Storm

The Link to the weather channel says that dean lasted 8.5 days, but the article says that Dean lasted 10 days. Does anyone know which one is right? --Elena85 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 21:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dean formed on the 13th at 6z and disipated on the 23rd at 6z. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 22:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The problem is, both Wikipedia and the Weather Channel are correct. The difference is, the Weather Channel uses the storm at TS status or above only, while Wikipedia includes its TD periods. So, this may need clarification. Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 22:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, how about July 1916 storm number 3? That one lasted over 12 days. This is why wikipedia avoids the use of blogs as primary sources. Thegreatdr (talk) 04:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The 10 day versus 8.5 day discrepancy seems to have been cleared up, but this might be of interest: List_of_notable_Atlantic_hurricanes#Characteristics. Dean was exceptional in many ways, but not in its duration. Plasticup ^T/C 03:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1916 02 Length & July

Was 1916/02 a tropical storm on 9th and 10th of July? I think [1] indicates windspeeds of less than 35 on 9th and 10th July making the duration as a tropical storm only around 9 to 9.5 days but I could easily be misinterpreting that. Secondly does it count as a July storm having formed in June? Thirdly what is the highest ACE for a July storm and for a pre August storm? Anyway is it time to make Bertha the longest duration July tropical storm? crandles (talk) 15:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After another look, it was storm 3 that year which persisted for just over 12 days as a tropical cyclone, not 2. Bertha should eclipse that record tonight. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is already underway on Bertha's talk page. For the sake of continuity it might be better to continue the discussion there. Plasticup ^T/C 16:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Counting the TD stages, Bertha is the longest-lasting tropical storm or hurricane and Cape Verde storm or hurricane since Helene of 2006, which lasted 12 days. It is the longest-lasting July storm since TS Alison of 1989, which lasted 13 days but formed in June, and ties with Hurricane Emily of 2005. However, the storm is not over yet and it would be good if a reliable source covers it when the storm is over. Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 16:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...BERTHA NOW THE LONGEST-LIVED JULY TROPICAL STORM IN HISTORY... -- RattleMan 21:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NOTHING is more reliable than NHC official releases. CrazyC83 (talk) 14:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TD 3

Sandbox is ready for publication for when needed. I was figuring waiting for until it reached TS status, but TS warnings are up, so it's there. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We should publish now..... 86.12.213.2 (talk) 09:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TS Warnings up, so it's published now: Tropical Depression Three (2008). If/when it reaches named storm status, just move it. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 09:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bertha Infobox

Hi...I'm new, but...shouldn't the top right number on Bertha's info box be a 3 or larger, because that's its max intensity and we already have a "current" section describing it as Cat. 1? The same question goes for Bertha's pages---71.252.253.19 (talk) 23:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the number corresponds to the current section because the storm is currently active. Once it dissipates, the numbers are updated to the maximum intensity numbers. Having both could be somewhat confusing, and it's harder to code. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 00:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dolly

As we wait for the special advisory (the upgrade has been mentioned in the offshore waters forecast), I wonder if a sandbox should be started, since this will likely need an article pretty quickly. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:34, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Also, does anyone other than me from the English Wikipedia usually update the interwikis, as I often update the French, Simple English, and Chinese interwikis, if there is a relavent article, but right now I have to log off soon? Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 16:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thick that a sandbox should be started as Dolly is expected to make landfall in Mexico sometime in it's life. --Elena85 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 16:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made a sandbox.... please find at here

Itfc+canes=me (talk) 17:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We just need to try to find stuff on its precursor wave - after all they flew several Recon missions and it produced tropical storm winds before developing a circulation. CrazyC83 (talk) 18:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ack, I hadn't seen the sandbox - I had started working on one in my userspace already. In either case, we should publish as quickly as we can finish it. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 18:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Dolly

Dolly is Very Damaging If the Damage Estimates are Accurate. Dolly might be retired for this year? --69.124.189.120 (talk) 23:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not, because the $1.5 billion estimate is likely too high. With no deaths and only limited flooding, Dolly's damage will likely end up being much lower than anticipated (like Ophelia of 2005 and last year's Humberto). NHC estimated the damage based on the major flooding they expected from Dolly, and the possibility that the Rio Grande would flood. From what I've seen so far, the damage done by Dolly doesn't warrant retirement. Then again, I could be wrong, sometimes they retire random ones like Klaus. 24.224.190.96 (talk) 19:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Klaus was requested to be retired by Martinique. I'm not sure about Dolly though - It struck more than 4 months ago, and the 1.5 billion is still there. If Dolly caused less than 1.5 billion in damage, it probrably would have been announced earlier because there would be less damage to acess, if you get my point. 76.235.165.167 (talk) 16:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur

The first from the Atlantic hurricane season is out. It backs up the starting point over 12 hours from the operational estimate (which was not unexpected). CrazyC83 (talk) 00:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow the NHC must be trying to get a head start on the TCRS as we do not see them as early as this ussually Jason Rees (talk) 13:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is of serious note, indeed...I'd say historical. We haven't TCRs this early since...2007. Before that, you have to go all the way back to 2006 to see a TCR posted around August 1. => Thegreatdr (talk) 13:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

lol Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 19:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might be a hangover from 2005. Just like some people say 2005 changed expectations for the amount of storms in a season, maybe some people are expecting the TCRs to be late too (there weren't many lulls in 2005 to use). Most TCRs for 2005 were not released until in 2006, and of the ones released in 2005, most were not released until after mid-November. -- RattleMan 20:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Edouard

I created a page for Tropical Storm Edouard since a warning was posted.Hurricaneguy (talk) 22:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While this is not a bad idea, try to include more information when you start an article. The lack of information almost got it deleted. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is best to start with a sandbox in userspace. Such lack of information is common in storms that warrant an article from the beginning (so far this season, all but Bertha have warranted an article instantaneously) but it is best to get some stuff in there. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fay

92L

Has this tropical wave produced any "impacts" in the Lesser/Greater Antilles? If/when it becomes a TD/TS having some pre-formation impacts might be a nice touch. Plasticup ^T/C 02:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to look it up. It is quite possible. CrazyC83 (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about the rest of the Lesser/Greater Antilles, but I know that up to 4 inches of rain has fallen in Puerto Rico. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 20:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fay

Fay's sandbox Itfc+canes=me (talk) 20:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, although it shouldn't be published until it is ready - an article will be needed. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok.... please help. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is created. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 13:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Itfc+canes=me (talk • contribs) [reply]

Season Impact

Couple of questions; if the column is titled landfalls, then why are "no landfall" cases listed? Also, given that ACE is constantly changing, should it be visible already? Might be worth hiding for now? - JVG (talk) 12:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The current ACE of the season is certainly of interest to me; I don't see any reason to hide it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm meaning the big landfall table, not the little ACE one. I'm also more questioning the "direct hit, no landfall" entries in the landfall column. - JVG (talk) 16:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that someone has added a Cat1 landfall for Little Cayman, but I don't see any record of landfall in the NHC's archives on Gustav. The track shows that the eye passed between Grand Cayman and Little Cayman. It was a direct hit in that Little Cayman was inside the area of hurricane force winds, but the map indicates that there was no landfall, and none of the advisories mention a landfall. Can anyone produce a source for this? In the meantime, since the NHC materials seem to indicate that eye of the storm missed Little Cayman by a large margin, I'm changing the entry to indicate a direct hit with no landfall. DOSGuy (talk) 19:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gustav

Come play in my sandbox. Plasticup ^T/C 16:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, NHC still has it as a TD. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 16:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why it's in my sandbox and not the mainspace. Plasticup ^T/C 16:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flight data now supports an intensity around 50 kt (flight-level winds of 66 kt found), so an upgrade is imminent. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's 2:03 PM EDT! Where's the intermediate advisory?! ~A H 1^(TCU) 18:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There it is! Now officially Gustav. ~A H 1^(TCU) 18:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The official intermidiate advisory will be delayed an extra 30 mins :(| . Currently max. winds 95 kph. ~A H 1^(TCU) 18:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for Arthur

The article claims that "Some forecasters question whether Arthur's very short lifespan would have been reported and named in the years prior to today's technology." The source given for was the comments page of some guy's blog, with no indication as to which of the 951 comments back up the statement. This is not a reliable source so I have removed the reference and added a Who? tag. Dricherby (talk) 12:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Having spent a lot of time working on the 2005 season, I can attest that the NHC forecasters sometimes inflate the figures a bit. The number of storms in that season which were upgraded for very brief periods of time was quite telling. There were hurricanes for only a single 6 hour period, or tropical storms that wouldn't have been named if the forecasters weren't pushing for a record season. The most obvious example is a bit of wind that was designated a subtropical storm. I don't mean to say that it wasn't an exceptional season, but I don't think it would have smashed the record quite so soundly had the meteorologists been evenhanded. I think that attitudes are as much responsible for the increase as technology. But that's just my personal experience with 20+ TCRs from that season. Plasticup ^T/C 13:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actully if you scroll up in to the blog itself Jeff masters queries weather it would of been named within the last paragraph off the blog so this is a reliable source and i will be readding the blog in a moment Jason Rees (talk) 17:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, and Jeff Masters isn't just "some guy". Following the Wikipedia guideline that self-published sources should generally be used only to talk about themselves, I've changed "Some forecasters question..." to "Jeff Masters questions..." More sources are required for the more general statement. Dricherby (talk) 12:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hanna article

Premature IMO. It is no immediate threat to land and there is always the possibility it might fizzle before threatening land. 96L (the Campeche blob which IMO is a TD right now) is more warranting at this moment I believe. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The NHC forecast and the model consensus predict the storm will bend westward, so it's bound to affect land within the next week. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 17:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Atlantic storms almost always impact land eventually. Plasticup ^T/C 16:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Things picking up

With Gustav and Hanna, and maybe two more storms brewing out in the Atlantic, looks like the 2008 season is kicking into gear. Hope you guys are ready for a busy autumn! 68.8.80.43 (talk) 17:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If 96L develops, it will warrant an article almost immediately. The distant waves won't have much to write about in the short term should they develop soon. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it's definitely late August. bob rulz (talk) 12:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"exceeding Category 3"

The article says that this seasons has two "major hurricanes (storms exceeding Category 3 strength in the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale)". But no storm has exceeded Category 3 yet; should it say at or above Category 3?--Prosfilaes (talk) 14:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ive changed it to say Exceed cat 2 Jason Rees (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Reached Category 3" would be less ambiguous. Plasticup ^T/C 16:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pressure

There seems to be an argument relating to the correct central pressure of Gustav. If anybody can provide a reliable source for it to be 935, I'd like to see it, because the latest advisory says its 945! Chris1193 (talk) 19:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Td 9

Come play in my sandbox Itfc+canes=me (talk) 14:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Advisorys

The NHC are struggleing with advisorys.... shall we wait till after the offical advisory time to update? Itfc+canes=me (talk) 09:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that does sound a good idea maybe we should wait untill 15- 20 Minutes after the advisorys are due to update as then we can do it all in one hit esspecially as we now have 4 Cyclones to deal with in this basin.Jason Rees (talk) 09:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am seeing a lot of errors - they really must be swamped. This is my favorite so far: THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS ESTIMATED AT 275/12. Plasticup ^T/C 11:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What if we got someone (plasticup, maybe) to protect the page from ALL edits until 10 minutes after ALL advisorys are issued.... It might not work but for now it would mean that we can have all the infomation AND we can see what mistakes there are. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 15:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plasticup's not an admin, so he can't protect the page. Aside from that, that won't work... –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 16:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok.... Itfc+canes=me (talk) 16:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's not really what edit-protection is for. Plasticup ^T/C 16:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an admin and I can protect the page, but again, that's not what the locking bit was made for. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 17:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget that the monthly summary for August is really late. :P --141.157.171.113 (talk) 00:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coherant updates

The history of the page right before now is a mess; perhaps it would be better if in the future for an update like this (where Tropical Storm Ike became Hurricane Ike) most of us backed off and the person updating it made a complete change in one edit, like CrazyC83 did. These partial edits look wrong, and we need to update the links to the advisory (our reference source) at the same time we're making the change.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I update the article first (try to do it at once even though I often run into conflicts on busy pages), then copy the current details infobox to allow for a quick update here. The ACE and text details come in subsequent updates. CrazyC83 (talk) 03:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflicts are really common when there's an update, so I usually try to make small edits in one section and update it progressively, because otherwise, my edits never get through... Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 17:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible IP Vandalism

I'm putting this message up so we can be sure to monitor the edits made by the I.P. User 125.60.235.231 (talk). As you can see from his contributions list, he has made frequent misguided and/or unconstructive edits to this and other pages, most or all of which have been reverted and assumed good faith without warnings. However, the number and frequency of edits has led me to place a good faith warning on his talk page. Please be sure to notify this user if he continues to make unconstructive edits. Thanks, CB (ö) 03:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gustav is still a TD

As of 11pm EDT, September 3, Gustav is still active. Just because the NHC has stopped monitoring the system does not mean it has dissipated! The Hydrometeorological Prediction Center is still tracking the tropical depression. Please stop changing the infobox/active systems/dissipation date/etc until the HPC does so first. Plasticup ^T/C 03:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It's even on the NHC current cyclone map as still being active. -- グリフオーザー (talk) 09:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Former Tropical Depreesion Gustav" now from HPC which means we can now remove all the current stuff relating to GUSTAV. Jason Rees (talk) 15:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even though it's still raining significantly from the system in the Midwest? I'd think that if there were any lingering weather impacts from the system that it would still be deemed current, no? Thegreatdr (talk) 17:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My thinking was, we track the storm as long as it's still given a name by the HPC, former or not. The HPC doesn't give bulletins for normal rainstorms. --Golbez (talk) 17:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good. HPC will carry advisories on Gustav as long as it is a significant rainfall threat, regardless of its category. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True. Also, remember that the "dissipated" date in the infobox points where the tropical cyclone dissipated, not just when it became extratropical. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 17:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry I chaned it but I didn't hear anywhere that it was active. Syntheticalconnections (talk) 00:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Josephine

The weather station said that Josephine was a Category 1 Hurricane as of 11:39am. Should this be changed, or was I misinformed? Stooben Rooben (talk) 18:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You were misinformed,if you want to check, go to http://www.nhc.noaa.gov and click on the icon for Josephine and go to Archive and find the advisories after 5pm yesterday --Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 19:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Stooben Rooben (talk) 23:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forecast

It would be nice if a sentence was added after current information that said whether the storm was expected to strengthen/weaken/sustain over the next couple days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.86.160.62 (talk) 19:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible retired names?

What names do you think will be retired from this season?

My guess is:

Gustav--obvious choice Dolly-- said to be one of the most destructive hurricanes in texas since rita Fay--stronger than allison, said to have extreme damage Hanna- 535 deaths —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.28.178 (talk) 19:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fay- Said to Have Damages
Gustav- 20bil est. 160dead
Hanna- If she isn't retired the world is a very sad place.

--Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 19:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have there been any times when a hurricane name was rumored to be retired but it was revealed at the last minute that it was not?? Georgia guy (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Retired hurricane names aren't often rumored by officials. If an official agency mentions during the season that they plan/intend to request a storm name for retirement (such as last year with Dean and Noel with Meteo-France), then I believe it'll usually be done. However, that's pretty rare, and usually we won't know what is retired until the WMO meeting in the following spring. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elena, nothing is certain. Case in point: Hurricane Gordon (1994). And anyway, we don't really discuss this here, as it has nothing to do with improving the article. --Golbez (talk) 19:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will stop but those storms are the ones that I think are possible. --Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 20:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remember we are here to document. If someone who is an acknowledged expert makes a statement about storm retirement, then it is appropriate to say "Dr. Such and such has said that if Hanna isn't retire the world is a sad place." Etc. 66.31.217.132 (talk) 16:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you insulting me, besides I'm just guessing. :(

--Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1800 edits!!!' 20:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane images

There are a lot of uploaders who didn't put the time (in UTC) and date of when the image is taken. Tropical cyclone images are supposed to be like this right? E.g like TS Fay "Fay_19 aug_2008_1615Z.jpg". IrfanFaiz 21:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

also there are some images being uploaded to EN Wikipedia and not Commons as is required Jason Rees (talk) 00:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hanna death toll

I thought the 500+ number was proven to be a gross overestimate several days ago. I put in the latest totals I can find with sources forthcoming, but there seems to be a lot of confusion on how many people Hanna has actually killed, and I'm sure Ike won't help any. bob rulz (talk) 06:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Protect?

After multiple vandal attacks. Should we protect this article? --IrfanFaiz 13:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the vandals are significantly disturbing the article. Plasticup ^T/C 18:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If none of the Season storm articles are protected then the Main season article shouldnt be be protected Jason Rees (talk) 19:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Landfalls

If you read back on some of the public advisories for Hurricane Ike, it clearly states that the eye passed directly over both the Turks and Caicos islands, and Great Inagua Island, Bahamas. Hurricane Hanna also made two other New England Landfalls, one near Islip New York, and the other near New Haven Connecticut as a tropical storm, not extratropical. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it went back into the Atlantic.. for it of having another landfall. -- グリフオーザー (talk) 19:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Image:Hanna 2008 track.png, it's pretty clear that it crossed the Atlantic to get to Islip, New York, and it would have been a pretty dance to get from Islip to New Haven, Connecticut--and one that would have taken right across NYC.--Prosfilaes (talk) 19:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the NHC did not report it in the advisories or discussions. Maybe the TCR will determine such though. CrazyC83 (talk) 21:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I can see the landfall disputes with Hanna... But Ike clearly made landfall on both the Turks Islands AND Grand Inagua. I'm changing them back to landfalls from direct hits. 24.222.149.228 (talk) 22:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do you get a direct hit that isn't a landfall? Surely it's not direct in such a case. Also, why would such be listed in a column titled "Landfalls". The fact they're listed is misleading. - JVG (talk) 16:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Direct hit = the eyewall, or highest winds - hit a landmass, but the center of the eye does not. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Hurricane Ike" vs "Hurricane Ike (2008)"

For better or for worse, the Hurricane Ike article currently resides at Hurricane Ike, not Hurricane Ike (2008). Discussions about the name of that article are appropriate on its talk page, not in the comments of this article. Or, if you think the policy of generally fixing double redirects is wrong, read this and then take the discussion here. --AdamRoach (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion on the article's talk page concluded that we should leave it at Hurricane Ike. Plasticup ^T/C 02:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]