Talk:2007 Atlantic hurricane season

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2007 Tropical Cyclone Summary

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SUMMARY TABLE

NAME              DATES       MAX WIND   DEATHS   U.S. DAMAGE
                                MPH                $MILLION
---------------------------------------------------------------
STS ANDREA        9-11 MAY       60         0        MINOR
TS BARRY          1- 2 JUN       60         0        MINOR
TS CHANTAL      31 JUL-1 AUG     50         0          0
H DEAN           13-23 AUG      175        32          0
TS ERIN          15-19 AUG       40        16         25
H FELIX         31 AUG-5 SEP    175       130          0
TS GABRIELLE      8-11 SEP       60         0          0
H HUMBERTO       12-14 SEP       90         1         50
TS INGRID        12-17 SEP       45         0          0
TD TEN           21-22 SEP       35         0          0
TS JERRY         23-24 SEP       40         0          0
H KAREN          25-29 SEP       75         0          0
H LORENZO        25-28 SEP       80         6          0
TS MELISSA       28-30 SEP       40         0          0
TD FIFTEEN       11-12 OCT       30         0          0
H NOEL          28 OCT-2 NOV     80       163          0
TS OLGA          11-13 DEC       60        40          0
--------------------------------------------------------------
*UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME

B+ class

Wait, does it JUST need a season summary to get it to GA or A-class? Weatherlover819 (talk) 23:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it also needs to be nominated at WP:GAN, but I think that would be something required to satisfy WP:WIAGA §3 or WP:WIAFA §1.b. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 23:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Got ya. Weatherlover819 (talk) 23:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dorian?

What? Are you kidding me? Surely this is a joke and an actual name will come to light. Fernand? How about Fernando? This is the Atlantic. The overwhelming majority of us speak English and Spanish over here. This is ridiculous. I'm so sick of the French having to control everything. Dorian is nearly as disgusting and embarrassing as Fifi, and Fifi only wins because it killed 8,000 people. When there are a plethora of normal "D" names to chose from, a bunch of high-born Europeans who don't know the first thing about meteorology pick a name that sounds like a fruit and a grand total of two people have been unfortunate enough to be tagged with. Why are European names being put on North American lists? Let North American countries name the storms that hit North America. There's a novel idea. Do the whole Asian thing where names are submitted by the nations who are carrying out the body bags. The WMO is turning the Atlantic naming system into a joke. These storms kill people. Give the storms names that have meaning to those affected. Some may not think it's a big deal but I think it's disgusting. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 20:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because Haiti speaks French and gets pummeled every other year? Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 20:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Felix didn't even significantly affect a French territory. I actually don't have a problem with "Nestor". Plus, Haiti should be the one requesting retirement, not France. Haiti is it's own nation and can speak for itself. Nicaragua should submit a new name for Felix. They may have chosen not to for whatever reason so France, never missing an opportunity, decided to submit a name for them...of course a French name. The Spanish version; Fernando should be used, not the French Fernand. Also, Mexico has full rights over Dean. Mexico lost more people and suffered more damage. I doubt I will ever understand "Dorian". I thought it was a joke to be honest. Even the WMO is usually better than that. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 21:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are limits placed on names used within the hurricane lists. If Fernand was the replacement, Felix must have been a French first name as well. Spanish names are replaced with Spanish names, Dutch names with dutch names, etcetera. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Felix, as I understand it, is Spanish. Fernando is the Spanish form of "Ferdinand", "Fernand" is not. A quick Google search revealed that the WMO is back to heavy drug use again:

"DORIAN: This name was invented by Oscar Wilde for a character in his novel The Portrait of Dorian Gray, 1891. He probably derived it from the Latin name Dorianus, itself from a Greek tribal name. If so, the name simply means 'Dorian' or 'of the Dorian tribe.'" -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 21:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Dean" is English, "Felix" is Latin and "Noel" is French. "Dorian" is Greek, "Fernand" is French and "Nestor" is Greek. So, David, if the limits you mentioned are rules, they ain't following them...or (as they will probably claim if confronted) that the roots of the origninal names (as with most names) are Greek and Latin. Ferdinand came from the Visigoths. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 21:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Please keep all discussion unrelated to articles at the Hurricanes Wikia. Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 22:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Astro, but I feel this is relevant as it has to do with content included in the article. Chronicalling a storm as it's developing and the forecasts that go with it. That is less relevant and should be kept on the Wikia until it's past tense. This is different. I trust you now see how blurry the lines are between what should be on the talk page and what should be in the Forum. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 22:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AstroHurricane is correct. This discussion has nothing to do with improving and maintaining the article. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 20:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

I'm working on a rewrite of this article at User:Juliancolton/Sandbox1, and before finishing it off I'd like to get some suggestions, feedback, and maybe a small collaboration to get the article to FA before June 1, 2009. Any comments are appreciated. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 02:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Put User:Juliancolton/Sandbox1#Storms above 2007 Atlantic hurricane season#Storms, and you're set. I don't see why we need to remove the listing of storms we have right now. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 02:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question regarding the "Impact" section

Quoting from the article:

"The 2007 season was severe in terms of damage. Collectively, storms caused about 416 fatalities and approximately $7.5 million (2007 USD) in damage. [...] Dean also left $616 million (2007 USD) in damage on Martinique and $154 million (2007 USD) on Guadeloupe."

If the collective damage of the storms was estimated at $7.5 million, Dean alone couldn't have caused $616 million in damage, could it? Was the $7.5 million number supposed to be billion, with a b? ekedolphin (talk) 08:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, good catch. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Dean's ACE

The ACE section needs to be updated. The maximum sustained winds were change on April 7, 2008, per NHC. Weatherlover819 (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated it. It changed from 35.5625 to 35.2325; difference of 0.33 from the four 85kts changed to 80kts. -- RattleMan 10:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2007 Atlantic hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

~~I will be reviewing this article for GA status, thanks!--Finalnight (talk) 14:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)~~[reply]

Looks like Finalnight isn't going to do it, so...

Here goes... Plasticup ^T/C 16:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

The article's biggest weakness is its prose. It needs a good firm review, especially the lead. That said, it easily passes GA.

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
The lead needs be much smoother before FAC. e.g. starting a paragraph with a pronoun.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
Plasticup ^T/C 17:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

proposal to remove date-autoformatting

Dear contributors

MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether a date is autoformatted or not). MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.

There are at least six disadvantages in using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:

Disadvantages of date-autoformatting

(1) In-house only

(a) It works only for the WP "elite".
(b) To our readers out there, it displays all-too-common inconsistencies in raw formatting in bright-blue underlined text, yet conceals them from WPians who are logged in and have chosen preferences.
(c) It causes visitors to query why dates are bright-blue and underlined.

(2) Avoids what are merely trivial differences

(a) It is trivial whether the order is day–month or month–day. It is more trivial than color/colour and realise/realize, yet our consistency-within-article policy on spelling (WP:ENGVAR) has worked very well. English-speakers readily recognise both date formats; all dates after our signatures are international, and no one objects.

(3) Colour-clutter: the bright-blue underlining of all dates

(a) It dilutes the impact of high-value links.
(b) It makes the text slightly harder to read.
(c) It doesn't improve the appearance of the page.

(4) Typos and misunderstood coding

(a) There's a disappointing error-rate in keying in the auto-function; not bracketing the year, and enclosing the whole date in one set of brackets, are examples.
(b) Once autoformatting is removed, mixtures of US and international formats are revealed in display mode, where they are much easier for WPians to pick up than in edit mode; so is the use of the wrong format in country-related articles.
(c) Many WPians don't understand date-autoformatting—in particular, how if differs from ordinary linking; often it's applied simply because it's part of the furniture.

(5) Edit-mode clutter

(a) It's more work to enter an autoformatted date, and it doesn't make the edit-mode text any easier to read for subsequent editors.

(6) Limited application

(a) It's incompatible with date ranges ("January 3–9, 1998", or "3–9 January 1998", and "February–April 2006") and slashed dates ("the night of May 21/22", or "... 21/22 May").
(b) By policy, we avoid date autoformatting in such places as quotations; the removal of autoformatting avoids this inconsistency.

Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. If anyone objects to my proposal to free the dates of autoformatting in the main text in a day or two on a trial basis, please say so below. The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just our millions of readers; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links.

Critically, since I’m an FAC reviewer, I want to state in unequivocal terms that if contributors object, this will have absolutely no bearing on my review or declaration at FAC. I’m proposing the action because FAC is an influential process, not because nominators might feel under obligation—in this respect, they shouldn’t. Tony (talk) 04:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the dates should not be autoformatted. There are a healthy number of wikilinks in this article already, and the blue dates just confuses the issue. Like Tony I also want to mention that I will be participating in the FAC review, but this matter, being a matter of preference rather than obligation, will not sway my opinion. Plasticup ^T/C 16:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree 100% about the disadvantages to autoformatting. As such, I removed all the links. Cheers, Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 17:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Julian—I should have said that I have a script to do it in a jiffy. Tony (talk) 10:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that would have been a luxury! Oh well, it was probably better to give me something to keep me busy for a while. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Repetitions

I'm having trouble deciding what to do about the lead. The word "season" is repeated 12 times in the first two paragraphs, which makes them sound mechanical. For example, stripped of modifiers, the first sentence of the article says "The season was a season". My opinion is that the lead should be re-written in more varied language. Some of the instances of "season" could simply be dropped, and others could be eliminated by re-phrasing. I think this is a job, though, for the primary contributors rather than a copyeditor. Finetooth (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had some trouble with the lead when I was writing it. I tried to remove or rephrase some of it, but if you feel it needs to be completely rewritten, please let me know. Thanks, Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 17:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge the list article?

Same along the lines of 2002, 2009, 1994... not sure if there were any others. The list article is not featured, meaning there will be some issues to tackle if that was merged here. Some sections are unsourced, but I am fine with adding sources for all of them to ensure the main article remains featured. Long story short though, there is no need to have two articles containing the exact same information. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed this three years ago. Anyone have any further thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No objection. Cloudchased (talk) 16:33, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Link

The Links to TS Barry Lead to Tropical Storm Barry (2007 instead of Tropicsl Storm Barry(2007).someone fix it please? 76.124.224.179 (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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