Talk:1935 New York anti-lynching exhibitions

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Did you know... that the 1935 New York anti-lynching exhibitions included Death (modeled after the lynching of George Hughes), Necklace (by Aaron Goodelman), This Is Her First Lynching, and The Law Is Too Slow (pictured), and were intended to support anti-lynching legislation, while earlier similar proposed legislation was supported by the NAACP using the lynching of Henry Lowry?

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 16:23, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The Law Is Too Slow, 1925 lithograph by George Bellows

... that the 1935 New York anti-lynching exhibitions included Death (modeled after the lynching of George Hughes), Necklace (by Aaron Goodelman), This Is Her First Lynching, and The Law Is Too Slow (pictured), and were intended to support anti-lynching legislation that would have made it against federal law for police to do nothing as they did in the lynching of John Carter, while earlier similar proposed legislation was supported by the NAACP using the lynching of Henry Lowry? Source:

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/CDawgVA; Template:Did you know nominations/Jane Margyl, Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Ellen Moylan, Template:Did you know nominations/Resident Human, Template:Did you know nominations/500 Park Avenue, Template:Did you know nominations/Monzer Hourani, Template:Did you know nominations/Philipp Harnoncourt.
Comment: Uncle G wrote more than me on some articles, and vice versa, so keep it simple and just share credits. I'm still working on various aspects of the nomination and the articles.

Created by Drmies (talk) and Uncle G (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 17:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Here's my review...

1935 New York anti-lynching exhibitions - brand new article, long enough, citations in every paragraph, appears to be written neutrally. Problem - the spring of 1935 violates MOS:SEASON, please correct. I do see the sentence at the end of the "Organization and background" section, that should be put towards the start of the section.
Lynching of George Hughes - brand new article, long enough, citations in every paragraph, appears to be written neutrally
Death (statue) - brand new article, long enough, citations in every paragraph, appears to be written neutrally, appears to be written neutrally
Aaron Goodelman - brand new article, long enough, citations in every paragraph, appears to be written neutrally, Earwig is happy with the online sources not being plagiarized
This Is Her First Lynching - brand new article, long enough, citations in every paragraph, appears to be written neutrally
The Law Is Too Slow - brand new article, long enough, citations in every paragraph, appears to be written neutrally
Lynching of Henry Lowry - brand new article, long enough, citations in every paragraph, appears to be written neutrally
Sources - most of these articles are sourced to the Apel and Heid books, which I was able to read some of on Google Books. I'll AGF for any detail that I may not have seen in those snippets.
Image - present in The Law Is Too Slow and Lynching of Henry Lowry, is relevant to the hook and listed as being donated to Wikicommons, so PD, and shows up well enough at this size
The hook - Removing the bolded characters from the hook for the purposes of counting, this hook is still over 200 characters. WP:DYKSG C3 says that we can make exceptions for multiarticle hooks, if it is reasonably compact and readable. The hook could be made more clear. Does the hook benefit from mentioning the lynching of John Carter? How was the NAACP "using" the lynching of Henry Lowry?
QPQ - three out of seven done

So, well on your way to passing. Need to fix the MOS:SEASON issue, four more QPQ, and hook revision. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Muboshgu, I appreciate you. I know I got some more QPQs to do, but man, I'm watching this documentary on Betty Davis and it is quite something. Anyway, SEASON was new to me, and I can't say I like it, but I fixed it--put in the dates, added a journal article to verify. Here's a tweaked lead--the first lead was actually a lot longer, and John Carter was in there but I submitted him separately I think. Drmies (talk) 00:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that the 1935 New York anti-lynching exhibitions included Death (modeled after the lynching of George Hughes), Necklace (by Aaron Goodelman), This Is Her First Lynching, and The Law Is Too Slow (pictured), and were intended to support anti-lynching legislation, while earlier similar proposed legislation was supported by the NAACP using the lynching of Henry Lowry?

Drmies, I appreciate you too. MOS:SEASON is good because the seasons don't line up with the northern and southern hemisphere. I like ALT1 a lot. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Muboshgu, you're right--there is another hemisphere, I forgot. That's Canada right? Kelapstick, is that why you're making a killing on turnips out of season? Reviews are done. Drmies (talk) 22:59, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great. I see one more minor issue though, a small discrepency in dates. In the 1935 anti-lynching article, section "Organization and background", it says in the first paragraph that the NAACP exhibition was Feb 15 to Mar 2, and the second paragraph says the Artists' Union exhibition was Mar 3 to Mar 16. Then the last sentence of the section says they were Feb 15 to Mar 1 and Mar 2 to Mar 16, respectively. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Muboshgu, it's handled. Thank you so much. Drmies (talk) 12:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent – Muboshgu (talk) 15:23, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to promote this but there is a character limit for hooks of around 200. Alt0 is 460 characters and Alt1 is 365 characters. Desertarun (talk) 14:41, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Desertarun, check out WP:DYKSG C3: A hook introducing more than one article is an exception to the hook length rule: subtract from the overall count the bolded characters for each additional new article beyond the first. If the result is 200 or less, the hook length is probably acceptable. Otherwise the hook may still be acceptable (on a case-by-case basis) if it is reasonably compact and readable. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:58, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- And I'm making explicit that I'm only approving ALT1, which is more concise. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I didn't know that, thanks for pointing out. By my count the characters are 190, so Alt1 is good to go. Desertarun (talk) 16:10, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vanguard Group?

Drmies, I'm not sure, but I don't think the link to the Vanguard Group is right here. According to Marlene Park (page 363), the "Vanguard" group involved was that started by Louise Thompson and Augusta Savage – see here for a description. What to do? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:51, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Justlettersandnumbers--thanks. I can't see what's behind those links, but I do have Apel's book here on my desk. She confirms it's indeed the group started by Thompson and Savage. So I guess there were two groups, both communist, of the same name? Drmies (talk) 13:06, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes, that's my question, really – it seems so improbable, so much more likely that they'd be one and the same. The Vanguard Group page is based entirely on one source, and I can find no mention of either (Louise) Thompson or Savage in that. The two groups seem to have had a rather different ethnic scope too, one apparently at least partly Jewish, the other definitely black American. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:21, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Plus there's Harlem vs. Bronx. I think we have some work to do here. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:43, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]