Talk:1908 National Education Association Spelling Bee

Marie C. Bolden (redirect vs. redlink)

As there has been considerable press coverage about the winner of the 1098 NEA Spelling Bee (Marie C. Bolden), she may merit a standalone article. I propose that the WP:R (redirect) from "Marie C. Bolden" to this article be removed so that a WP:WiR (or other relevant) redlink can be placed. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I would certainly support a separate biography of Marie C. Bolden.--Ipigott (talk) 06:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

A biography might be in order, but don't see purpose of/don't think a red-link is needed here in order to do it. Djflem (talk) 07:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

@Djflem: As the underlying premise and stated objective of WiR is to turn redlinks blue (and even green, via the sister project WP:WIG), it seemed logical (to me, at least) that creating a redlink for Ms. Bolden might be a good (ehem, WP:BOLD) fist step. The redirect prevents this from being done – however, I certainly don't want to belabour the point if you don't agree. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

But you are! Just start an article at the redirect page..Done deal..Djflem (talk) 10:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not certain about the technical steps required to do this, nor do I fully understand the list of proscriptions listed on the Redirect page. I'm loathe to get in over my head here. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:41, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Type in: M.C. Bolden. Wikipedia will offer you the opportunity to create a draft page for yourself to work on writing the article or click below:

Special:Mypage/M.C. Bolden.

There you can write the article. When it's ready, copy to redirect page or get back here.Djflem (talk) 11:21, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Noted. Thank you. Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't really understand the question. Do you want to write the biography? If so, just edit the redirect and turn it into a biography. pburka (talk) 14:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Or write a draft biography and move it to the article title using Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. TSventon (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I will probably write the biography eventually (or contribute to it if someone else were to get it started – I'm not necessarily at my best facing a blank page). In the near-term, I had hoped to bring the possibility that this might be a worthwhile endeavour to the attention of others (by mentioning it here, as well as on the WiR Talk page, and by simply creating a redlink). On a technical level, it wasn't clear to me how to modify the redirect without inadvertently breaking something. Any help with this would be most welcome. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 19:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, WIR has redlists based on Wikidata, which are updated by a somewhat temperamental bot. I have added African Americans to Marie C. Bolden (Q118967859) so Bolden should be added to the list Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/African-Americans in due course. Here name and some possible sources were added to a manual list, Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Black history in 2017. TSventon (talk) 20:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Noted, and thank you! In fact, a conversation on WiR was the initial impetus for my interest (and participation) in Wikidata – where, bots aside, I have begun to try to lend a human hand. As for the question of modifying redirects, I did look into it a bit, though I'm not confident that my grasp of the nuances is sufficient to do anything useful under the bonnet yet. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, Women in Red uses its own red link lists as explained at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red#On Wikipedia. You could read Wikipedia:Red link and then start a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion if you thought that deletion of the redirect was justified, but I don't think that would be a good use of your time, or of other editors' time. TSventon (talk)

FYI: there's already this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marie_Bolden&redirect=no Djflem (talk) 11:15, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

That there are two redirects makes the technical side all the more daunting, alas: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marie_C._Bolden&redirect=no. I'll circle back to this in future – plenty of other redlinks on my list already. Thanks again, Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, M.C. Bolden is a red link, if you don't like redirects. TSventon (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, TSventon... (that's now three iterations: two redirects and a redlink). I'm going to take a break. It's not that I don't like redirects – I'm just fairly new to this and I simply don't know how to properly manage the back-end technical aspects of redirects. (I'm also detail obsessed and probably neurodivergent, so little things get my attention in big ways). Not at all trying to be difficult. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 21:21, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Rating (Start class v. C class)

@Djflem: I'm agnostic about rating. Rater gave the article a pretty solid "C" (well, a so-so 44.7%, actually – which is below my usual threshold for belief) so I made the change. No objection to your rvt back to "Start", which I'm guessing is based on better understanding than mine (or Rater's). I was mostly trying to add the new banner shell style, and had also planned to add the WiR template in anticipation of work on a new Marie C. Bolden article (see above). Ok to put it back as it was with a "Start rating? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 21:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)