Talk:Deltarune

8-bit or 16-bit?

The article states "The game's graphics are reminiscent of 16-bit Japanese role-playing games" but the reference states "the graphics are modeled after classic 8-bit games".

16 bit because it is based off of Earthbound, a 16 bit game Agaricus17 (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Neither 2600:6C4A:8F0:7740:5CD8:6572:E78C:21B8 (talk) 02:42, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I think we should find enough reliable source first. Mariogoods (talk) 14:11, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Lacking reception section

The coverage of this article is relatively balanced, but critically it's lacking a reception section. It's a bit more challenging to find sources considering that the game isn't yet complete, but there's still enough to work with. Here's a few that I found (although to be honest, I'm not 100% if these reviews count as "reliable" sources for Wikipedia's purposes):

1. https://nintendotimes.com/2019/03/07/deltarune-chapter-1-review/
2. https://attackofthefanboy.com/reviews/deltarune-chapter-1-review/
3. http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/review/49937/deltarune-chapter-1-switch-review
4. http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/switch-eshop/deltarune_chapter_1
5. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/deltarune-is-a-beautiful-extension-of-a-deeper-und/1100-6463044/
6. https://www.keengamer.com/article/21153_deltarune-preview

--Megaman en m (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I've added a proper reception section, feel free to check it for typos/bad prose.--Megaman en m (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Undertale! 2?

Undertale 2 redirects to Deltarune, although Toby Fox has confirmed that Deltarune isn't a sequel or prequel of Undertale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigSillyOrangeCat (talk • contribs) 13:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

• Hi, it's less that it is "Undertale 2" and more that such a redirect can help readers find this article. If someone types in "Undertale 2" in the search box, this is almost certainly the article they are looking for.--Alexandra^IDV 14:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

When will someone make a edit about chapter 2 which released before a few hours

I'm too lazy thats why I ask 2A02:810C:8CC0:FBC:A55B:1CDD:FEC4:11B4 (talk) 11:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Alternative Route of Chapter 2 discussion

Adding Alt Route to the page

It was discovered that there is a radically different version of the story, where (spoilers) Kris (or rather the player) forces Noelle to kill enemies, buys her a ring, kills more enmies, buy another ring for her and makes her freeze Berdly to death. Since you killed all the enemies, Spamton gains power and takes over the Palace, you avoid the fight with the queen, and go to seal the Dark Fountain alone, you then meet Spamton NEO and beat him in a much tougher version of the fight (as you are fighting alone) After you defeat him and seal the Fountain, Berdley doesnt wake up, and he is presumably dead or in a coma Here is a video of the abridged version of the changes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIFzcrDr5Fs Anyways, this is really different from the normal/"pacifist" route, and I think that it should be included on this page. However Im a) not sure on this decision and b) not sure how to do it, so what do you think? Lavodan (talk) 12:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Should optional content be put into the sub-subsection?

As User:Jurtaa showed, there is content that is significant for the development of characters and the general story, like the hospital scene they added, that is completely optional, Im really not sure if these detail should be included, as there is so much character building dialogue thats optional, that many players might not even experience What are your guys' thoughts? Lavodan (talk) 19:04, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

It's important here to keep in mind that Wikipedia's goal is to give the reader an understanding of the game - which does mean concisely describing the key plot points - but not to attempt to replicate the experience of playing it. Some optional scenes might become important later on, but knowing that Noelle's dad is in the hospital is not important to understand the story of chapter 1-2, and should only be included in the plot summary when/if a future chapter makes it important.--Alexandra^IDV 01:43, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

POV in the story section

It would be really nice if I wasnt simply screaming into the void, so please, feel free to comment your thoughts.

Án Anonymouse user changed the POV of some of the sentences of the Alt Route. For example "Kris forces Noelle" into "The player may choose to force Noelle" I personally thing that this is really not great, ad this section should be about the story, as if it were any other works - a book story synopsis will not have a sentence that says "The reader might notice a detail...", it will simply state the detail if its important. This is also mirrored in articles on other games like Life is Strange (where there is one mention of the player, which I think is inline and needed, same way as the start of the Main Route "The player finds...") and The Secret of Monkey Island. Also, I think that the language of "may choose" or "can" is redundant, as we are specifically talking about the Alt Route, where we KNOT that we are going down that rabbit hole Please respond, its getting lonely in here, Lavodan (talk) 06:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

It's standard in Wikipedia to follow MOS:VG, which requires a real-world perspective:

Write about story elements from a "real-world perspective". Do not use a perspective from within the game world ("in-universe") or describe fiction as fact. E.g., not "It is the end of the Zelda timeline and thousands of years after Link defeated Ganondorf", but "Breath of the Wild is set at the end of the Zelda timeline, thousands of years after the events of previous games".

Therefore, it's appropriate to emphasise the player's ability to choose events.

Regarding the change from "Kris", the anonymous user was probably trying to change it to imply the player was responsible for the actions, not Kris. But we don't know that yet, and such tone isn't used on the Undertale article, so I'd revert that part. - Novov T C 07:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

One issue is the possible implication that Kris and the player are separate entities within the narrative (similar to OneShot though with much less agency from Kris) so there may be a need to reflect that. DogsRNice (talk) 04:20, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, the plot section needs a lot of trimming down, which I intend to do at some point. Right now, it's almost twice as long as Undertale's, and we only have 2 chapters out of 7 so far. - Novov T C 08:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thanks a bunch, I was looking for something like MOS:VG, but couldnt find it, it seems to be a very helpful resource, both with the POV problem and with the length of the plot Lavodan (talk) 09:02, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been very helpful for me when writing other indie VG articles. - Novov T C 09:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Name for alternative route

I thought that there was no official name for the route, however, recently I found out, that in the files, it is called "Weird route" (although I cannot find any direct evidence of this) and there are also lots of popular community names like "Snowgrave", "Pipis" or "Genocide" route Should it be renamed or should it stay as it is? Lavodan (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I'd leave it be for now - it's literally been days since Ch. 2 has been released and it seems a bit premature to pick a certain name now. We don't know which name will become popular. If you do want to add it, any alternate name should probably be supported by a reliable source (such as this one). - Novov T C 12:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Alright, that makes sense. Lavodan (talk) 16:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Chapter names

Hi User:Marshlashl, you added names to the chapters (The Beginning, A Cyber's World). I'd like to ask you how you came to these names, because as far as my research went, I couldnt find neither name anywhere, apart from some youtube video. Thanks, Lavodan (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey User:Lavodan, the chapter names show up once you beat Chapter 2 and are taken to a new menu. In addition to the names for Chapters 1 and 2, the menu also reveals that Deltarune will have five more chapters. Thanks, --Marshlashl (talk) 20:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Deltarune, Chapter 1

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

De-facto closed as to not merge by User:MJL. ― novov t c 08:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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In accord with WP:NOPAGE, this content would be better included in the main Deltarune page; two or three news articles, the track listing, and one review isn't really enough for its own article separate from the game. Undertale's soundtrack has far more coverage and cultural prominence, but does not have nor need its own article. - Novov T C 01:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

• Support Every chapter doesn't need its own article. Unlike games like Mass Effect, they are clearly not closely linked sequels but episodic chapters of a single game._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 03:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm: confusingly, the article actually isn't for the Chapter 1 of Deltarune, but the soundtrack for that chapter, hence my referring to Undertale's OST. If it were keep-worthy, I'd move it to a less ambiguous title. - Novov T C 04:28, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

• Support Not only is the point about Undertales soundtrack valid the title is also confusing as demonstrated in this thread. Also the soundtrack album for chapter 2 has been released and is titled in the same way. DogsRNice (talk) 04:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

  After rereading the discussion renaming this article to “Music of Deltarune” would be much better than deleting it. DogsRNice (talk) 01:47, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. Eh, I certainly agree with the Novov that Undertale's sound track is certainly much more iconic than Deltarune's (hence my writing of a draft article about it). However, as was pointed out by Spicy when I submitted my draft, Deltarune, Chapter 1 did chart so independently qualifies for notability per WP:NMUSIC (the same cannot be said for Undertale Soundtrack). I think that the better action to take here would be to rename the page to something like "Music of Deltarune" to give it a broader scope with a less confusing title. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. I was about to suggest the same idea MJL had: Rename to "Music of Deltarune". —Dexxor (talk) 06:24, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
• Support - just put it in a collapsable menu in the Deltarune page. Kettleonwater (talk) 13:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. It's about the album. Should be renamed to "Deltarune, Chapter 1 (album)" or "Deltarune, Chapter 1 Soundtrack". Oofas (talk) 19:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, with the caveat that the article is renamed to "Music of Deltarune" per rationales provided by other editors, to allow for broader coverage of the game's music. There is potential for further coverage since Deltarune is still not fully released. Haleth (talk) 01:31, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. AtlasDuane (talk) 15:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per User:MJL and User:Haleth above – but I agree that that page should be renamed to "Music of Deltarune". Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Other answers sum up that it's a soundtrack, all that's necessary should be a renaming of the proposed article ― Levi_OP^Talk 15:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I've gone ahead and moved the article to Music of Deltarune.AtlasDuane (talk) 15:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

  With that, I am just going to remove the tags per WP:IAR. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 03:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

  @MJL: Fair enough, but next time just close the merge discussion properly. It's not that difficult, and WP:MERGECLOSE states that Any user, including the user who first proposed the merger, may close the discussion and move forward with the merger if enough time (normally one week or more) has elapsed and there has been no discussion or if there is unanimous consent to merge. ― novov t c 08:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Too much reduction to the plot section

I get that plot sections shouldn’t be excessively long, that’s what stuff like fandom wikis are for after all but it also shouldn’t be shortened to the point of near incoherence. The first two sentences are “In the beginning of the game, the player constructs a humanoid "vessel", but it is discarded as "no one can choose who they are in this world". Instead, they gain control of Kris, whose teacher Alphys sends them with Susie to get chalk.” which just seems to jump abruptly from one point to another.

Though instead of reinserting details and making it overly long again perhaps it should be partly rewritten to flow more naturally. DogsRNice (talk) 03:47, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. To be honest I think the "vessel" bit might not even need to be there until future chapters explain what it means (assuming they do) and we can give context for it, because it really does feel like we're abruptly jumping between topics.--Alexandra^IDV 04:12, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Kinda on the fence about that. I get why it could be seen as irrelevant WP:CRUFT but it is the narrative jumping-off point of the game. I'll try reducing it to a brief mention, but feel free to do something else with it. - Novov T C 04:19, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Development started before Undertale??

That seems pretty unlikely, and there is no source given. 2601:642:C481:4640:0:0:0:6FB7 (talk) 02:13, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

This is based on a 2019 interview. Here is the relevant part auto-translated from Japanese:

In 2011, when I was living away from home while in college, I had a flurry of illnesses. I couldn't get any medicine, and while I was sleeping with a high fever, I had a very vivid dream.

It was a dream about the ending of a game, and ever since then I've been obsessed with the idea of making a game with that ending.

I tried to make one in 2012, using a character design I found on Tumblr by an artist I really liked named Kanotynes, but I gave up on the project without finishing any of the rooms.

—Dexxor (talk) 06:17, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Development didn't start, necessarily, but what DID start was at least the basic ideas for the story. The domain "deltarune.com" had existed for a while, around when Undertale was first released. It contained a dark image that, when modified, revealed text in the Wingdings font, quoting the character (spoilers) Doctor W.D. Gaster. The image was later modified to have text foreshadowing the plot of the game, before it became a fully-fledged website upon Deltarune's release. 98.190.22.212 (talk) 00:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit reason: Deltarune really was disguised as a "survey program".

The old entry implied that Deltarune really was a survey program, but in reality it ain't.

Apparently the author of this citation based it from these official tweets (1, 2, 3), forgetting that these were tweeted one day prior to the release of the "survey program" itself and it was revealed to be a ruse the moment the it disregards the player's choices ("YOUR WONDERFUL CREATION Will now be discarded.") and Toriel waking Kris up (revealing that it's actually a video game and not a "survey program").

Also, don't forget to remember that the names of the desktop shortcut and the folder of the "survey program" (specifically the 2018 version, still downloadable here) are disguised as such and only the executable itself is correctly named "DELTARUNE.exe".

Exaskliri (talk) 17:08, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Spamton Sweepstakes promotion

Do you guys think this would be a good addition to the article? FishandChipper 🐟🍟 07:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Absoloutely. Perhaps its own article would be fitting, but for now I might find a time to possibly put a very basic version in. Rockethead293 (talk) 21:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

"Now’s your chance to be a big shot!" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Now’s your chance to be a big shot! and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11#Now’s your chance to be a big shot! until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 23:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Attack of the Killer Beast?

Do you think it'd be cool to include the fact that Attack of the Killer Beast is just Queen's boss battle theme but with the lyrics, "MrBeast"? I mean, the music is the same thing! RingmasterCaine (talk) 23:58, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

No reliable sources, and not relevant in the slightest. Cereally8 (talk) 03:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Chapter count and release

I think it's worth mentioning that the chapter count has changed (originally was supposed to be five chapters) and the release strategy has changed (chapters 3 4 and 5 used to be planned to be released together, but was recently changed to just 3 and 4). Those are just a few examples. I'm sure there are reliable sources that can be used for this. Cereally8 (talk) 03:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

The latter is already included in the Development and release section. Adding in the original total chapter count seems reasonable enough if sources can be found, though this should probably go in that section as well. ― novov (t c) 03:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

On Relation to Undertale

Do we consider Deltarune in the same series as Undertale? The Steam page for the game seems to suggest as much. Like, it says "The next adventure in the UNDERTALE series has appeared!" at the very beginning of the ABOUT THIS GAME section. ItShrimple (talk) 03:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

This article’s lead already describes it as a follow-up to Undertale, which I’d say is pretty close. Haven’t seen many other sources explicitly call it a series though, my impression is that appellation tends to be used for sets of games with more than two titles.  novov talk edits 06:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)