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As a note, I'm the one who made the list about baseball bats. And I regret it. Mobius Gerig (talk) 05:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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NPROF, for example, allows college professors to have articles even if they fall far short of GNG. Conversely, GNG allows professors to have articles even if they fall far short of GNG.
FeRDNYC (talk) 20:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(I should've pinged JPxG in my original comment.) FeRDNYC (talk) 20:50, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On the assumption that was supposed to read, "...fall far sort of NPROF.", I've edited it that way. If that was incorrect, please fix my mistake. FeRDNYC (talk) 20:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, this is what it was supposed to say -- although I'm sure some would argue that the original mistaken version was more correct in practice ;) jp×g 21:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JPxG: I confess my quick correction was... not not motivated by a desire to avoid providing that community with any additional ammo. FeRDNYC (talk) 21:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oof, the hazard of proofreading (my error in this case): letting the eyeballs see what it should say and not what it does say. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get a "weirdest statistical correlation" category for future AfD metareports? I nominate The first nomination after I took a shot of whiskey in California. FeRDNYC (talk) 21:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Point of information - NSOLDIER was never an SNG, it was always just an essay, though at times it was treated like an SNG. To what extent it was deprecated, the MilHist project simply decided to stop endorsing it. WP:PORNBIO is an example of an SNG that was deprecated. -Indy beetle (talk) 05:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Also worth noting that the Lewis baseball player article suffered from quite a few WP:SYNTH violations which would be unacceptable for an FA. -Indy beetle (talk) 05:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@JPxG: almost the second you spoke! - overturned for admin close. Generally right response in the DRV, but belief that it should be a) closed by an admin and b) needs a detailed close explanation Nosebagbear (talk) 10:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Why Wikipedia Sucks was closed as speedy keep: wrong venue because Why Wikipedia Sucks is not an article, but a redirect; the subsequent RFD closed as no consensus. As such, it probably doesn't belong in the Kept articles with freaky titles list. Lennart97 (talk) 13:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The person nominating the Tek Fog article (whose lede says its a software used by India's infamous political party the BJP) getting indef'd because their username was an obscene phrase in Hindi is hardly a surprise -Gouleg🛋️ ^harass/_hound 14:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FAs on the chopping block

I was informed that I was directly mentioned in this article (I would have appreciated being pinged, since it directly discusses my actions) so I figure I might as well explain my rationale a bit. The AfD for Doug Ring 1948 was a long time coming - it was TFA in October 2021, and a number of editors expressed dismay that the article even existed at its FAR which was opened on October 19th. Eventually, consensus there became that the article quite simply should no longer exist, and I was the one to pull the trigger and launch an AfD. Following that one closing with a strong consensus to merge, I've been evaluating the other forks on "Player name with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948" within this featured topic, many of which seem ridiculous to me. There were some very on point comments in 2015 at the first AfD for Ron Hamence 1948:

"Each one is full of redundant info and even what they did after...This is WP and site-wide notability guidelines apply - We don't have a similar page for every player on the undefeated 1972 Miami Dolphins."
"Thirdly, I think it is fair to compare the scope with that of other WP articles. The comparison to "every player in the undefeated 1972 Miami Dolphins side is an apt one. The tour is certainly notable - the presence of individual players is not. Or to take another analogy, consider actors appearing in films. As I've argued elsewhere, Donald Bradman with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 would be like Brad Pitt in Mr. & Mrs. Smith. Are there lots of sources discussing Pitt's performance? Yes. It is Pitt's most important work? Probably not. But Ron Hamence with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 is in a different order together. That would be more like Jennifer Morrison in Mr. & Mrs. Smith. And even then, I'm sure we would find more reliable sources discussing Jennifer Morrison's role than we have discussing Hamence's role. Finally, it's not just about sourcing - we could probably find enough sources to write an article on the food that the players ate during the tour. But I hope we all agree that this doesn't make it a notable topic for an encyclopedia."

More of these will likely end up at AfD in the future, whether nominated by me or someone else. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have you got the feature to notify you on new userpage links turned off? I used those (instead of {{noping}}) for user mentions in this article, so that people would get notifications. jp×g 20:19, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I checked my preferences, and notifications for new userpage links are on. Not sure what happened, but I was not pinged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, this is the diff -- looks like I spelled it right. I may need to go make a sock and test this (or read the documentation for how userlink pinging works)... jp×g 01:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I vaguely recall there being some rule where pings don't work unless included with a signed comment, could that be what happened? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a ping is only sent if the link is in a new line and followed by a signature. See WP:MENTION. Nardog (talk) 07:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Big fan of Deletion report! And you were right, this was a spicy month for AfD-related policy discussions, eheh. Pilaz (talk) 10:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The FA (effective) deletion is a really interesting case study. I can see the case for deletion of somebody whose first name is not even known, and for keeping any topic where you can write so much about it. But, redirection was probably right, and it is surprising (in a good way) to see the main article author happy to engage with comments about it being non-notable and even start the AFD. This sort of constructive and collegiate attitude is very impressive when compared to the usual ownership and knee-jerk angry escalation of rudeness we find when someone's hard work is challenged. — Bilorv (talk) 22:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]