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Empire Strikes Back dispute

There is an ongoing dispute regarding whether the Empire Strikes Back article should mention that the Dark Side cave on Dagobah was created by a Bpfassi Dark Side user or somesuch in the Expanded Universe. Please inject some sanity into Talk:Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back#Dagobah Bpfassi cave factoid? so the slow-mo edit war can be put to an end. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

More lightsaber silliness

Here's a table that I've since hidden temporarily on lightsaber combat. Anybody else think this is pure silliness? It reads as follows:

The different lightsaber combat forms can be countered by others forms:

Form	Countered by
I: Shii-Cho	All, except Form VI
II: Makashi	Form V
III: Soresu	Form II
IV: Ataru	Form VII
V: Shien / Djem So	Form III ¹
VI: Niman	All Forms
VII: Juyo / Vaapad	So far unknown

¹ Form III cannot defeat Form V but blocks all its attacks.

Mithridates 23:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Where in the world did this come from? Star Wars has sunk to THIS level?! Not saying the chart is bad, or the editor is bad (by no means), but if this is true.....what has happened to good 'ol star wars?! Deckiller 23:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, the seven forms of lightsaber combat were printed in an issue of Star Wars Insider a while back, so I don't think this is fanon... that is, if the forms listed are the correct ones. The Wookieepedian 23:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Besides, it's probably from some videogame. That's the major issue with Star Wars articles: mixing video games with real content; video game battle systems and concepts are there for gameplay, not story. They belong in video game-related articles. Deckiller 23:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The lightsaber forms are canonical, though I think only Vaapad has an actual name. But I don't know where these counters came from. Jedi6 23:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd say we exclude it until we have a concrete source and citation. Deckiller 23:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Could be that part of it is extrapolated from the Episode III novel (e.g. "His own Makashi simply did not generate the kinetic power to meet Djem So head-to-head"). -- wacko2 04:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Infobox that doesnt belong

Beside Olié, Ric and Omega Squad there is an Star Wars Character infobox by the title of Vidar, Kim. Even wierder is that the pic name is Ralph_Brown.jpg. Can someone double check, might be a case of secret vandalism.

Click here for direct link

Okay apprently Vidar Kim portrayer name is Ralph Brown but still this infobox should be there since it should be beside the entry of Vidar Kim. Tutmosis 21:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Ralph Brown portrayed Ric Olié. Looking at the history, I think the infobox is just a not-quite-thorough attempt by Dark jedi requiem at cleaning up the Ric Olié article. He probably copied the Vidar Kim infobox which is further up the page. -- wacko2 05:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Page

Do we really need this page: List of Star Wars organizations. We have already List of minor Star Wars organizations & List of Star Wars companies. Why do we need an article listing the contents box of these two articles. Tutmosis 22:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It's a good list to keep all items together; however, we DO have an option; we can combine corporations, organizations, and governments into a large template for navigational purposes. Deckiller 23:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Category

Category:Star Wars organisation page is spelled incorectly, how do i check what articles link to this section since if i rename it we might have a problem. Tutmosis 03:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think I might need to check, but isn't that how it is spelled in England? I mean, most of our stuff has uses a North American style, so it should probably be changed. I don't mind either way. Deckiller 04:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The old American vs. British style debate. Since Star Wars is an American product we would use American spelling. Also to check what links to a page just go to the first link on the left side of the page below the search bar. It says What links here or you can go to Special:Whatlinkshere/pagename. Jedi6 05:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

So what you guys think we should do with this? change it to organiZation? if so probably we gonna have to start a new page and delete this one since their is no move buttom. Tutmosis 13:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind; we just have to make sure all links are taken care of. Deckiller 18:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't delete the catergory. Instead ask for it to be renamed at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. Don't speedy rename it though. Jedi6 09:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Membership

Personally, I'd prefer to work alongside the project rather than as part of it because I don't like to get tied down doing things. I've added this talk page to my watchlist and will contribute if I feel I can add something worthwhile to this project. -- His Imposingness, the Grand Moff Deskana (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, you dont have to officially join the project and how ever you would like to contribute is fine with me and hopefully rest of the members. This is wikipedia and all positive contributions are greatly appreciated. Tutmosis 14:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you don't have to officially join the project. We mainly use the membesrhip list to know who to give notices and other things to. Deckiller 16:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Hide Template

Nebulon-B Frigate is listed both in the Vehicles of the Rebel Alliance / New Republic and Vehicles of the Galactic Empire. Apparently it was used by both sides. My question is how do i add that hide option to a template since if we have both templates than the page will look off balanced? Tutmosis 13:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to use the [hide] function, but I think you could check out the List of Final Fantasy X characters page, which uses a custom template with a hide feature. Deckiller 16:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Timothy Zahn Star Wars Books template

I designed a template whose name is self explanatory. You can see it here Here. The color scheme obviously can be changed but what you guys thing, you guys want to use this? Tutmosis 17:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks good, just remember to put the books in italics. Deckiller 18:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

New article

I just created Darksaber (novel). I'll get to work on a few more novels pretty soon. Deckiller 01:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Cool. It's nice to see a good summary for a SW novel, since a lot of the SW novel pages seems to be either stubs, or very short. I think that a large focus of this project should be the expansion of the SW novel articles that are already created. A lot of them need expansion, IMHO (especially ones like The Thrawn trilogy). The Wookieepedian 04:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. The only thing we have to be sure of is to make sure all summaries are succinct. There should be three paragraphs, in my opinion. I'd say anything logner than the darksaber plot summary may be too much. Deckiller 04:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:NewJediOrder

How does everyone like Template:NewJediOrder? Any suggetions? Jedi6 02:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. I recommend putting the headings horizontally instead of vertically. Deckiller 02:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

How's that? Jedi6 03:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at Template:StarWarsPlanets or Template:Rush for the style I was talking about :) What do ya think?

Deckiller 03:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I can't tell a difference. Jedi6 03:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the way the template looks now. Deckiller 03:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Chewbacca comic. While it does take place in the NJO era, it is not a part of the series. --Imperialles 08:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

WHAT'S THE POINT!!!!!

Seriously, i mean we've got the Star Wars wiki so there is no need.

Plus people here cant even see that Vader and Anakin SKywalker are two different people. Jasca Ducato 16:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• These fine folk have decided to improve Wikipedia's Star Wars articles, and there's nothing wrong with that. I commend their work. By the way, Vader and Anakin are the same person. One just has more mechanical limbs than the other. --Imperialles 17:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• First, more people use Wikipedia, and there is a larger editor audience. Second, Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker, physically. But from a certain point of view, one could say they are different people. But that doesn't mean that the article should be split just because some people think so. -Xol 18:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• Moreover, these articles need a significant cleanup. There are also, of course, the major differences between the two sites. Deckiller 22:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:StarWars-stub

What does everyone think about User:HereToHelp's latest change to Template:StarWars-stub? Should we keep it in Yoda speak? Jedi6 10:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

HAHA! I love it! :) The Wookieepedian 13:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I see no problem with it, definetely is funny and still gets the original point across. Tutmosis 13:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I love it ^_^ I just hope people don't burn us for it :D Deckiller 14:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Cryptic seems to have reverted it. I don't think we should fight it because we are going to lose. Jedi6 01:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Star Wars Books Comics TV Games

Someone actually took the List of Star Wars books, copied it and created List of Star Wars Books Comics TV Games. I redirected it but that was kinda of odd. Jedi6 01:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Expanded Article

I've expanded the Specter of the Past novel article. I'll get to work on Vision of the Future as soon as I've got the time. Amina skywalker 01:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the expansions!!!!! Deckiller 03:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, I went back and revised the summary so that it's from a more NPOV. Does this work? Amina skywalker 15:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)