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BedInABox Notability

Please forgive me if this is not permitted on your talk page -- I am new to Wikipedia and I am still learning. If any editors in the North Carolina Wikiproject are willing, I could use some advice for meeting the notability guidelines in an article I am writing for Draft:BedInABox. Full disclosure: I am being paid for the edits I make to the article; however, it is important to me that the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines. I have already submitted the article via articles for creation and it was denied due to notability issues. I have since added another source that I believe to enhance the case for notability. Thank you in advance for any advice you are willing to provide. Caustic_writer (talk) UTC01:44, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

UNC News Editing edit-a-thons

UNC-Chapel Hill Libraries are running some edit-a-thons to edit N.C. Newspapers. CogSciLibrarian (talk) 21:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC) removed the semi-active tag for that reason. First event on Oct. 24, 2019 Meetup Info.[reply]

North Carolina Women in Red

Might I draw your attention to a new redlist of notable North Carolina women who lack a wikipedia biography, in the form of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/North Carolina NCpedia - drawn from the "North Caroline NCpedia". North Carolina: State Library of North Carolina.

Right now, there are more than five times as many biographies of men as there are of women on wikipedia - see the Wikidata Human Gender Indicators page. I hope this project will lend its support to addressing this imbalance by creating biographies for women within your project's scope, and perhaps by adopting the North Caroline NCpedia redlist. More generally, WikiProject Women in Red has more than 300 redlists covering perhaps 100,000 notable women for whom we have no biography. thanks

Cleanup the project

Can we clear out some of the old stuff, so it is easier to focus on current priorites? Alex the Nerd (talk) 20:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see why not. -Indy beetle (talk) 05:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have been working on cleaning up some of the page. I started a Draft:Top-importance North Carolina articles to try to figure out how priorities are assigned and what the quality is for current articles. If others have additions or comments, feel free to add them to this draft. The final show go on the project page and be maintained. The quality is not very good for many of the top and high importance articles. Very few have appeared as featured articles.

User:G._Moore User talk:G._Moore 18:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone through all the Unassesed Articles with the WikiProject North Carolina template and added an assessment on them. I could use some help going through the articles that don't have an importance on them. I am using the definition on the Article Class/Importance tab. User:G._Moore 20:28, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Atlantic just released an article that reviews editing activity across the United States (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/where-wikipedias-editors-are-where-they-arent-and-why/605023/). It included some graphs that break down the activity by county. I went ahead and created a smaller one of just North Carolina:

In short, the green counties have a relatively good amount of editing activity originating from them relative to all Wikipedia editing in the US, while the purple counties have very little editing originating from them. As you can see, the Research Triangle, Piedmont Triad, and the Charlotte metropolitan area all produce a healthy amount of activity. The far western corner and the northeastern quadrant both have very little editing activity. Both parts of the state are very rural and have limited internet service. The northeastern section also had additional barriers to better participation: the economy here is weaker and has recovered from the 2008 recession at a slower rate than the rest of the state, the population is aging and shrinking. For the sake of considering systemic bias, promoting activity in the northeastern section may be important because it is also where much of North Carolina's black population resides. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable source question

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Fayetteville, North Carolina#Fayettenam . RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 04:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wolf Ridge Ski Resort

Is this place near Asheville really notable? If yes, the please add citations. If not, then please ping me and I will send it to WP:AfD. Bearian (talk) 00:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:North Carolina articles needing expert attention has been nominated for discussion

Category:North Carolina articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 21:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User script to detect unreliable sources

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

County Seal images

Hi all, I'm quite new to Wikipedia and was wondering if someone could add the county seals for that county to the appended articles below? Thanks, I appreciate it! DiscoA340 (talk) 02:11, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alleghany County, Anson County, Avery County, Beaufort County, Bertie County, Cherokee County, Clay County, Cleveland County (Better quality image), Columbus County, Edgecombe County, Halifax County, Graham County, Granville County, Greene County, Harnett County, Hertford County, Lee County, Lincoln County, Martin County, Moore County, Nash County, New Hanover County, Pender County, Richmond County, Rockingham County, Scotland County, Swain County (Better quality image), Henderson County, Pasquotank County, Perquimans County, Polk County, Washington County

Reviewers needed

The James Davis (printer) article, (a Good Article) about the founder of colonial North Carolina's first printer, and publisher of North Carolina's first newspaper is currently undergoing an FA review. However, the review is progressing slowly and will be shut down if other reviewers don't get involved. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:38, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of law enforcement agencies in North Carolina

I have been editing List of law enforcement agencies in North Carolina and feel like I am biased and cannot remove the 2 maintenance tags at the top of the page. One is for an incomplete list, and the other is for insufficient sources.

I wanted to see if we could come to an agreement that one or both of these messages could be removed, or if they need to stay. If they need to stay, what work needs to be done on the page to have them removed? I thought about putting this on the specific talk page, but feel as though this would be more noticeable. Thanks! Sheehanpg93 (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for starters, we should probably find something more up to date than a 2008 DOJ report. The refimprove tag is going to take a while to get rid of, considering how many of those entries are unsourced. -Indy beetle (talk)

So I guess that is my question that I didn't ask. Does every department need to be cited? Sheehanpg93 (talk) 22:14, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
After trying to find an updated DOJ report, I found that the report hasn't been conducted since 2008. I noted that in the article.Sheehanpg93 (talk) 02:11, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- I don't think all of them would need to be cited to remove the top-of-the-page maintenance tag, but the vast majority would need to be. Probably upwards of 80%. -Indy beetle (talk) 08:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

College Field Merge into Kidd Brewer Stadium

I have proposed merging College Field (North Carolina) into the Kidd Brewer Stadium article. College field was the football stadium at Appalachian State before Kidd Brewer. The article is 1 sentence long, and only has 1 photo. I would appreciate opinions on this at the talk page. Sheehanpg93 (talk) 16:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article Nomination for "North Carolina"

Do you think that the article "North Carolina" is ready to be nominated again for Good Article Status? Please voice your opinion in the link below. Thanks!

Talk:North Carolina

Good Article nomination for Cary, NC

I have nominated Cary, North Carolina for Good Article status. If you have time to review, it would be appreciated. Rublamb (talk) 00:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Missing or low-res county flag and courthouse pictures

There are a few county pages in both NC and SC that lack good photos of the county courthouse and or flag. If anyone has any good photos of some, it would be much appreciated if you could upload them. The pages that lacks good pictures should have an upload box in its talk section but feel free to update other pages with older photos too. If you have any questions, feel free to ping me on this page or contact me on my talk page. Adding the pictures to the county page infobox is quiet easy, for a Courthouse picture, it should go in the "ex image" and then add a short description in the "ex image cap" section. County flags should go in the "flag" section along with county seals going in the "seal" section. Thanks again for your help, if you have any questions, feel free to contact me. DiscoA340 (talk) 21:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whenever I go out roving I typically try and get the historic courthouses (with my phone, it's the best thing I've got). I just got the old and new Onslow County courthouses last week, and I've done the Gates, Bertie, Northampton, Greene, Bladen, Duplin, Stokes, Rockingham, among others. If there's any specific courthouses you have in mind in the Piedmont or down east, let me know (I prefer the pretty ones :) I'm still bitter about the Soviet brutalist monstrosity they erected in Wake County). -Indy beetle (talk) 03:33, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Indy beetle Thanks for the help! I don't have any specific ones in mind but the county pages missing or have low res images of them should have a notice in their talk page. Thanks again! DiscoA340 (talk) 03:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Indy beetle I made a list of the current missing County Courthouse pictures on my user page. DiscoA340 (talk) 01:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DiscoA340: I see you found the old photo of the Scotland County Courthouse. For the record, I did take a photo of downtown Yadkinville and put it on the respective article and you can see the Yadkin County Courthouse on the right. It could be cropped for our purposes, it's just not a very good angle or high quality. I didn't really want all the sheriff's deputies standing at the doorway and sitting in their cars to ask me what I was doing, so unfortunately I didn't get it from the front. Here is my photo of the "new"/actively used Chowan County Courthouse and a faraway photo of the Edgecombe one. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And I just found the Craven one freely-licensed on Flickr, so that should be all good. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Indy beetle Thanks for your help, I just added the top three pictures to their county infoboxes. Keep me posted if you find more photos online and or upload new ones. DiscoA340 (talk) 00:16, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article nomination for Zeb Vance

I have nominated the article about Zebulon Baird Vance for Good Article status. Please start or join a discussion to review. Thanks. Rublamb (talk) 06:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request move conversation

There is an RM conversation ongoing at Talk:Auditor of North Carolina, other's thoughts are welcome and appreciated there! -Indy beetle (talk) 01:24, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Census population updates needed on some pages

If anyone has time, there are many city, town, and municipality pages that currently haven't been updated to include 2020 and 2021 Census counts and estimates. Currently, there are 6,830 pages that haven't been updated on all of Wikipedia. For most pages, there are three sections that need updating, the Introduction, the Infobox population count section, and the {{US Census population}} template in "Demographics." All the information to update these pages can almost always be found athttps://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/jacksonvillecitynorthcarolina/PST045221 (Jacksonville, NC for example) on the Census Bureau QuickFacts website. This script by DemocraticLuntz might be able to help but Thank you for your help and have a great day! DiscoA340 (talk) 01:17, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As of October 10th, all NC town and city Wikipedia pages have been updated to include 2020 Census counts (at least according to this list.) Most of the work was done by @DemocraticLuntz and his code, Thank you! DiscoA340 (talk) 01:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's always exciting and gratifying to get thanked for the Census-adding semi-automated script work instead of getting yelled at because of a minor problem, thanks! DemocraticLuntz (talk) 12:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DemocraticLuntz I originally requested a bot be made to update census counts back in June, so I'm glad that automating this process can be done. Someone replied with a statistic that it would take 6 months to do 14,000 pages with a rate of 100 per day. So the code has most certainly saved time and allowed articles with less foot traffic to have current data. I hope the issues with editor trust can be ironed out because this is a great tool that will be useful in the 2030 Census when this'll have to be done all over again.

P.S. I hope South Carolina is on the update list too.

Good luck and have a good day! DiscoA340 (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote nearly all of the code 7-8 years ago in conjunction with my initial adding of historic Census population data for all incorporated places in the US (manually collected as I was procrastinating on writing my dissertation unfortunately due to not having had access to good enough OCR for old [pre-digital era] Census files) and to do automated updates of mid-decade population estimates (and also later to try to upload and add SVG images of the boundaries as annexations happen, though people yelled at me for that sometimes since apparently they liked the old image better, so haven't redone that). I did have to add some things for 2020 census, but as you can see that's done as well. Been doing them alphabetically, will now finish PA and SC is going to happen in alphabetical order by state. DemocraticLuntz (talk) 12:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DemocraticLuntz Your worked has definitely helped me and other NC editors. I don't know why people didn't like the SVG maps you made (personally, I prefer the SVG maps to the other ones.) I may be wrong but I think people would be more positive towards the SVG maps as they are more widespread after 5 years. Keep up the good work and have a good day! DiscoA340 (talk) 18:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Missing North Carolina Supreme Court justices

Drafts for the following missing articles for North Carolina Supreme Court justices have been initiated at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/United States judges and justices#North Carolina:

Any help getting these articles finished and moved to mainspace would be appreciated. Cheers! BD2412 T 18:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BD2412: I'll have a look at Copeland, I think he might have been Terry Sanford's legislative liaison. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Great, thanks! BD2412 T 01:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @BD2412: Published. Best of luck. -Indy beetle (talk) 06:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Excellent work! Thanks. BD2412 T 06:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - I published Brown. Rublamb (talk) 01:22, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Eight to go! BD2412 T 00:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Seven to go! BD2412 T 00:45, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA reassessment of North Carolina Transportation Museum

A GA reassessment has been started at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/North Carolina Transportation Museum/1 for the North Carolina Transportation Museum due to a number of issues. At least some of them would probably be able to be solved by someone who has the book "Coleman, Alan (2018). North Carolina Transportation Museum. Charleston, South Carolina. ISBN 1-4671-2775-2. OCLC 1007842710" or by adding references from local news sources. Gusfriend (talk) 09:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Election table template fix

If anyone knows how to and has time, could you update the presidential election templates for the counties of Cherokee County, Wilkes County, Randolph County, Moore County, Dare County, and Spartanburg County, South Carolina? Thank you for your help and have a good day!
All pages listed have been updated. DiscoA340 (talk) 01:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article nomination for Robeson County, North Carolina

Robeson County, North Carolina has been nominated for GA Status, all help with the review process is greatly appreciated, Thanks! DiscoA340 (talk) 20:54, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 census estimates

Just alerting everyone as the 2022 census estimates are close to being released (each census page now has a "2022 estimate tab") so help with updating the estimate tallies on pages would be greatly appreciated in the coming months. DiscoA340 (talk) 21:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 census estimates have just been released. DiscoA340 (talk) 14:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Any pages you still need help with? I've been trying to make pop estimate updates where I see them. CareAhLine (talk) 18:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CareAhLine Thanks for that catch with Fayetteville, I must’ve forgot it when I was going through the major cities. But, other than that, I think all the necessary pages have updated estimates now. If it isn’t too much trouble, I would greatly appreciate the help for updating county and major city pages for the 2023 estimate. County estimates are usually released in March and municipalities above 5,000 people are released in May. Definitely nothing to worry about now but your help when they are released would make the updating process much quicker. I’m still hopeful that User:CenPop bot will be approved sooner or later because it can update 10-year census (and possibly estimate) counts almost instantaneously. Thanks again and have a great day! DiscoA340 (talk) 21:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for David L. Cook

David L. Cook has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm _Talk 18:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Public records copyright discussion

A discussion has started at Commons:Village pump#Question about North Carolina government copyright laws regarding the definition of a "public record" by Chapter 132 and other statutes of state law. This is to decide weather the definition constitutes governments works in the state being labelled as public domain on Wikimedia Commons. Any help on reaching a consensus is greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a great day! DiscoA340 (talk) 00:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia:Content assessment

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IndyWeek Article about Durham Mayor Elaine O'Neal

I have added this conversation to the talk page of Elaine O'Neal (politician), but I thought it important enough to bring to this group. There was an article written (linked below) regarding the mayor attempting to "sanitize her Wikipedia Article" by removing edits regarding a confrontation that took place in public and was widely reported on by local media. I wanted to bring this to the attention of this group and get have those members join the discussions regarding adding this article to the respective members pages. https://indyweek.com/news/durham/durham-officials-directed-city-attorney-to-try-to-unmask-anonymous-wikipedia-editors/ Naheehsp93 (talk) 13:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change to State(s) MSAs and CSAs

The 2023 OMB report was released a couple days ago which has realigned and renamed a few micropolitan statistical areas, metropolitan statistical areas, and combined statistical areas in the states of North Carolina and South Carolina, as well as the entire country. The changes can be found on the document appended but also on this edit done to the Metropolitan statistical area page. Thank you and have a great day! DiscoA340 (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:William Cicero Allen

Could I please have some help with this subject? FloridaArmy (talk) 00:25, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it. Rublamb (talk) 03:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (chat!) 01:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Vine Hill Academy

Would anyone be willing to help me with this school article? FloridaArmy (talk) 08:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I love working on these quirky schools from this era but I was not expecting to find family connections, including founders, trustees, and students. Rublamb (talk) 01:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Rosman High School

I submitted a draft on this high school in Rosman, North Carolina that dates at least to the 1920s but it was declined. I would be happy to have help expanding it and brining it to mainspace. Thanks! FloridaArmy (talk) 15:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:North Carolina: A Guide to the Old North State

This is an interesting subject and needs expansion. I'm not sure how to include it on Wikipedia if anyone has suggestions. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]