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A comment has been made that the article Civil war in Iraq has not been updated with developments since 2007. Since I lack knowledge in this area, could someone have a quick skim over the article and add any important developments as necessary? Many thanks. haz(talk)19:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Great job Auawise.I'll try to help although I'm not as active as I use to be in the English Wikipedia. I work mainly on the Arabic wikipedia which needs alot of work. I strongly encourage you to go ahead with your plans to improve Iraq WP. --Aziz1005 (talk) 14:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks!
I guess WP.ar needs some dedication too. Well, for the moment, I am going to gradually improve the project, especially its departments. Also, do not you think that more participants are required? I am thinking I will abuse my welcoming committee work to lure new WP user here, should I do that?
Any help, no matter how small it might seem, is appreciated.
P.S. I do not know why am doing this, it is just sad when I found this project to be rather neglected like that.
You are really wise MR. AuaWise , WIKIprojcet iraq really needs some improvements, in order to accomplish this goal all participants should have some determination . I also beleive that more participants are required. In the mean time i will try to add some articles and minimize the mess.
Please be clear on the topic of this project. Avoid tagging pre-Islamic topics as within the scope of the "Iraq" project: There is a separate Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East for articles dealing with pre-Achaemenid content. Please do only tag topics post-dating the Sassanid period. dab(𒁳)09:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Do not Ignore Iraq's History, The Ancent Mesopotamia is Iraq's History. if you ask any Persian what is the History of Tajikistan, the Answer is Persia, then ask him what is the History of Iraq. Nothing, We just a modern day country. What a prejudice, Iraq is everything, Babylon, Assyria, Sumer, Abbassid... etc. so don't say we are not Mesopotamia. we have the right to Link Mesopotamia's pages to WP Iraq. Mussav (talk) 14:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Where are the three stars?
Iraq's flag is displayed several times on the main page but all do not show stars (i.e. red, white, black and the word allahu-akbar but no stars)[[User:Cs1kh]] (talk) 11:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed barnstar of national merit image. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was Approve
Thanks Mussav for your efforts!
Now, who thinks that the barnstar of national merit should be something like this: to be a bit consistent with other barnstars of national merit.
P.S. I am not comfortable with the blue colour of the star, please feel free to change it, it is SVG.
Well, I'm not sure, If you change the star's color to Green it will be more like Syrian. so what do you think, should we change it to green? Mussav (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Would there be any way, or would it even be acceptable, to place the takbir in the white section of the ribbon, maybe vertically? That would I think clearly indicate that it is Iraqi. John Carter (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
hmm, interesting proposals. As for changing the star's colour to green, it will be the most hideous thing you will ever see... believe me, I tried that. The colours will not simply match. The blue colour was chosen because it sits well with the blue template, please refer to the WikiProject page. Adding "takbir" (I am guessing it is the Arabic words on the flag) might not go well with all members. If my Arabic serves me well, the text is religious and some people will blank my user page for making it vertical or whatever. I will ask the guys at WikiProject Islam. By the way, it is SVG, so anyone with Inkscape can actually edit it.
How about Yellow or Gold? You know, Kurd wish to be represented in Iraq's flag. Here you can see the proposal flag. well it's just an opinion, let's see what others think about it. Mussav (talk) 20:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Great Idea! I am working on it, and by tomorrow I will have the result. Cheers!
Amigo!! Using Adobe Photoshop CS3 , you can add the stars , change the large star's colour ....you don't have to choose the horizontal flag. If you cannot use the Photoshop i can make the changes you want with the vertical flag.
Again, this is SVG, this means it is scalable vector graphics... not bitmap and does not depend on pixels but rather on anchor points... what that means is photoshop can not be used to edit this image but rather illustrator. I personally use Inkscape.
You are missing the point here; SVG's are better.. From their name, you can tell that they can be scaled up without losing details. I have made this one, looks good. eh? Λua∫Wise(Operibus anteire)11:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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Proposal: voting
The following discussion is an archived debate of a proposal to limit the scope of the Iraq WikiProject. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was Oppose as The more paths there are for editors to find the article, the better.
User:Dbachmann has proposed to limit the scope of the WikiProject Iraq to include only articles related to the time period from 1919 to the modern era as well as archaeological sites, which will exclude Iraq articles that are tagged with daughter, or separate projects (exempli gratia; Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East ).
auawise doesn't reflect my "proposal" accurately. Please see here.
My points are:
article talkpages aren't the "property" of a given WikiProject. Whether a given tag is appropriate is a question of case-by-case consensus, to be decided not by a certain Wikiproject, but by the people involved in writing the article in question. My beef is with "territorial" driveby-tagging adding template clutter all over Wikipedia, by people who are not involved in writing the articles they tag at all.
Wikiproject tags are appropriate as long as there is no daughter project with a more narrow scope. As such, tagging articles related to the history of Iraq with the "Iraq" template will be appropriate for times as far back as 650 CE until there is a dedicated "Islamic Caliphates" Wikiproject. Even articles with a scope as far back as 600 BCE will be appropriate, until there is a dedicated "Achaemenid Empire" project or similar. For times predating 600 BCE, use the Ancient Near East tag. Best practice will depend pragmatically on what active projects there actually are. dab(𒁳)09:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
It seems that dab has ignored the fact that no one owns an article, and as such no one has the right to have the final say on which project that article belongs to. If members of the Iraq WikiProject would like to make say, Gilgamesh, within their scope and would consequently like to improve it, why on God's green earth would you object to that?...
Our mission as wikipedians is to build an encyclopaedia.
to Auawise, It's not fair, it isn't fair at all, a voting will decide whether if Iraq has or has not a history ??? even the Idea of separating us from our history is wrong.
to Dbachmann, It's about Iraq and Iraq's History, Obviously when mentioning Iraq's history I mean Mesopotamia. The Persian Period can be added to the WP Iran, (btw, just an additional info, yes, They conquered and ruled Mesopotamia for centuries. but that doesn't mean there were no original people of Mesopotamia in that time. There was Assyria, Babylonian,... etc even Arab lived during the rule of the Persian Empires) again, my point is, I'm with mentioning "before and after" the Persian periods to Iraq's history. I already explained that Arab used the word "Iraq" to the land between the 2 Rivers; in matter of fact people still call as Bilad Al-Rafiden (the Land between the 2 Rivers) Instead of Iraq. So I have no Idea why it's so hard to mention our History, Iraq's history. Mussav (talk) 00:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The voting is not there to decide whether Iraq has a history or not, it certainly does. People in Mesopotamia were writing poetry before before mud houses were built in Rome. The point of the voting -which I will cancel soon if it seems no one is interested in voting- is to determine whether WikiProject Iraq has such articles about ancient civilisations within its scope.
Just an example, about Babylon, You think it's just vanished? No it's not, their places are still exist, the ruins are still exist and the research of National Geographic Magazinesays that the Recent DNA (Y chromosome) studies conducted by the National Geographic Magazine on the bones of ancient Babylonians and living people from Babil have shown that the modern peoples carry the same ancient Babylonian genetic material….
what if Babylon got the independence let's say for example in 2100? Dose they have a history? are they a new state too? No, they have a History, they have a great History. but why Dbachmann doesn't accept Babylon as part of Iraq? what he is waiting for? an Independence? Imagine they will never get the independent? are they forgotten? They are part of Iraq and they prude of it, you cant ignore them you cant ignore their History, saying Iraq doesn’t has a History is wrong and you will be prejudice. They Are Mesopotamian, from Bilad Al-Rafidin, Iraqis (I already explained what is the meaning of Iraqi above), the name might be different but the meaning is the same, the Land between the 2 rivers. so my answer is, Yes WikiProject Iraq can has such articles about it's History.Mussav (talk) 14:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Support:
Oppose:
There is absolutely no point in excluding articles related to pre-Islamic Mesopotamia or pre-1919 modern Iraq/Mesopotamia from the scope of Iraq WP.Unless some one is trying to raise a new conflict over Iraq related articles here. What’s the point of having a wiki project? The answer is to improve the quality of this encyclopaedia (Wikipedia). Therefore, there is no harm done to articles that fall into the scope of 1 to 10000 wikiprojects. Every article related to Iraq/Mesopotamia and its history must be included, end of the story! By the way does this proposed policy or whatever apply to Egypt WP, Iran WP or any other middle astern wikiproject since there is a dedicated WP for ancient near east?--Aziz1005 (talk) 15:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Oppose per Aziz. Just because no one from that project is involved *now" doesn't mean there won't be anyone later. The more paths there are for editors to find the article, the better. The articles definitely fall within the scope of "Iraq", and 1919 strikes me as quite arbitrary. -- Slacker (talk) 01:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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JavaScript for tagging
I do not pretend to have even the slightest possible knowledge of JavaScript, but I have put together a little simple script to help people who tag articles with WikiPorject Iraq to do it a lot faster. The script will place the {{Iraq}} tag at the beginning of the talkpage, then put an appropriate edit summary, then save.
The script can be used when one is in the edit mode of an article's talk page.
To get the script:
Copy the text below and paste it into the bottom of your monobook.js file:
importScript('User:auawise/tag.js');
Save the new monobook.js page, and
Completely refresh your browser by bypassing your cache (Firefox: Control-Shift-R / Firefox Mac: Command-Shift-R / Explorer: Control-F5)
Done!
I am constantly learning new stuff and will introduce new changes once I am done with them. I was inspired by Mussav to write this simple script.
Thanks Auawise, but I didn't understand after placing the tag, I did all the steps, but I didn't notice the change. what is the use of the script? Mussav (talk) 17:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have been doing a bit of working on it to get it into a better shape.... Anyway, you will notice that there is a little tab at the top next to "watch" that has the letter "i". Click on it while you are editing an article, it will automatically insert the tag, put the edit summary and save. Please bypass your cache, and make sure that you are using Firefox, I do not think it works on IE. Cheers! Λua∫Wise(Operibus anteire)19:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I wrote a new script, this one is way better and will you place the importance, class and if the article needs attention...useful for the WikiProject table. Here is what to do, follow all the steps above, however, copy the below instead to your monobook.js file:
The first one the "I" button worked, But the 2nd one the "iraq" button didn't work, the button appears but when I click on it nothing happens, any Idea? Any way thank you a lot for you great work. :) Mussav (talk) 17:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The first one works fine on both browsers, the second one works only on Firefox. To be honest with you, the reason is that I use the morebits library parts which appear to function only on Firefox. I am sorry for this, The second script is not only faster, but also offers a range of options (you can tell it the importance of the article, and its rating)...
Anyway, if you want to change any setting in any script you use, please tell me so that I can do it for you, for example if you want to change the edit summary.
A new stub type {{Baghdad-stub}} was created along with its own category. The stub might be deleted if a number of 60 articles tagged with it is not achieved. Here is part of user Grutness message:
"As to the stubs themselves, given that your WikiProject is for Iraq as a whole, not "Wikiproject Baghdad", the threshold level for a separate category is 60 stubs. So if you can find 60 stubs on Baghdad, then chances are the category will be kept (note - changing a plain iraq-stub to baghdad-stub is fine on articles, but if they're something like iraq-geo-stub then add baghdad-stub to it as a separate template). If you can't reach 60, then it's likely the template will be kept but upmerged (i.e., it'll lead back into the main Category:Iat:Iraq stubs). So for now, it's simply a case of trying to find Baghdad stubs."
Thus if you come across an article which can be listed as a Baghdad stub, please do so...Otherwise it will be deleted. Its presence is important since it is Iraq's capital and should have its own stub.
A barnstar will be given to those who help in preserving it.
Thanks! Λua∫Wise(Operibus anteire)14:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Aziz did an excellent job here, and was awarded the barnstar of national merit.However, if you come across more articles that can be added to this category, please add it. Λua∫Wise(Operibus anteire)11:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything about Portal:Iraq War? I see that the one who created it has ummm...retired but before I mark this as a Portal for deletion it seems like it could be useful if updated and it appears to be fairly well done. I am also leaving this question on the Wikiproject Military History discussion page.--Kumioko (talk) 21:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Population of the city of Basra
I have changed the population of Basra (City) from 2.6 to 1.7 million to make it consistant with the box on the site - but without any firm basis - just internal consistancy and some other bt old sources indicate far lower figures than 2.6mil . Does anyone know any authoritative sources for populations of Basra/Mosul/Irbil as our entries are being used by others and I am not sure of how reliable they are. (Msrasnw (talk) 01:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC))
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2 toolbars need correcting
'Current Featured Articles' and 'Good articles' toolbars go too far across the screen and need correcting (I am using a Firefox browser - if that makes a difference) [[User:Cs1kh]] (talk) 09:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I have moved the 'Current Featured articles' & 'Good Articles' toolbars down, to fix this problem on Firefox.
The space can eventually be filled up with relevant text.
I have noticed that the problem may not occur on Internet Explorer, and so if my changes have caused a problem on Internet Explorer, Just undo my changes. It was a genuine effort to fix 2 annoying toolbars that cover the 'Iraq Articles' table [[User:Cs1kh]] (talk) 16:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 21:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The article on the dulaim tribe contains mostly wild chest-thumping (not to mention unverified) information on this tribe. dulaim I attempted to edit the article and add (citation required) to it but an anonymous user rolled it back. I don't want to get into an edit war on this. I cited one reference in the discussion section for one of the false informations shown (that the dulaim started and led the 1920 revolt against the British, when actually the Dulaim were COLLABORATING with the British).
Other Items I can also add. The other big ommissions are the deletion of the information regarding the role that this tribe played in saddam's time (including being members of his military, security apparatus) their role in crushing the 1991 uprising against saddam and the preferential treatment they received officially as a "white province".
Furthermore the numbers of the tribesmen in Iraq is of course pretty fallacious. That claim is just begging for "ammendment" to a more realistic 1.2-1.3M figure.Hayderaziz (talk) 06:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Okey-dockey...let's work on this one. You can go ahead and introduce the changes you deem appropriate, and as long as they are verified, you have the backing of this wiki-project members. We will try to help out too. :)
i just searched for Acrassicauda "the only iraqi metal band", on the german/english wiki and thought i might be able to help by translating the bandhistory and style-discroption? i dont have planned a lot in the next days so i would certanly find the time...
i cant find the specific discussion page where i planned to ask for the search for typos
can i post it here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.217.14.154 (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
in the german wiki you can find a bandhistory and style description of acrassicauda, in the english wiki there's almost nothing
therefor i plan to translate it...
i'll just put it here ^^
thx for the msg btw
ALI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.217.14.154 (talk) 20:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
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Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles, I've found some Iraq-related articles that I believe are about places, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.
