Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Terrorism task force

Good article reassessment for The CIA and September 11

The CIA and September 11 has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (trout me!) 13:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Mohamed Atta#Requested move 19 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mohamed Atta#Requested move 19 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Aprilajune (talk) 02:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Palestinian suicide terrorism#Requested move 21 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Palestinian suicide terrorism#Requested move 21 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 08:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

"Symbolism of terrorism" article

The article Symbolism of terrorism needs a lot of work - the structure is confusing and arbitrary, and most of the content is simply two separate summaries of single sources. Those sources focus almost exclusively on Islamic terrorism. The "Symbolism of target choice" section looks alright, but everything else ranges from odd and confusing to problematic. remainsuncertain (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Hezbollah

Hezbollah has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. It is a wonderful world (talk) 21:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2019 El Paso shooting#Requested move 15 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2019 El Paso shooting#Requested move 15 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for George W. Bush

George W. Bush has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 18:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 13 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 13 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --MikutoH ^talk! 22:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Merging into WP:CRIMEPROJ as a task force

WP:TERRORISM is almost entirely inactive, while WikiProject Crime is decently active. The scope of this project also falls entirely under the scope of WikiProject Crime's - i.e. there are no articles tagged with this project that cannot also be tagged with the Crime project. For centralization of discussion, it would be for the best if the resources and work of the people interested are pooled together since there is so much overlap.

Since Terrorism-related articles have unique concerns, it's best that it be maintained as a task force. All the assessments and project tags can be maintained as part of the Crime banner, just shifted to a task force parameter. The Organized crime project also got merged into the Crime project as a task force, and that has worked fine, everything kept its assessments.

Thoughts? PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Support: As an editor who has been assessing articles for this WikiProject for several years, now, I have frequently added a crime banner to a "Terrorism" article in the course of assessing it, because the article describes crimes, or the perpetrators are prosecuted for criminal offences. On rare occasions, I have encountered article that I did not also tag as being crime-related, but they mainly dealt with counter-terrorism and fell under "Law enforcement, or "military activity", instead. However, counter-terrorism could be considered a form of crime prevention activity, so it inclusion in WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography is reasonably understandable. From a crime classification perspective, terrorist acts are basically counted as another type of crime. The UNODC's International Classification of Crime for Statistical Purposes (ICCS) has several classification categories dedicated to terrorism related crime along-side offences relating to national security. Also, deaths as a result of terrorist acts are inclusion criteria for Intentional homicides (0101). So there is a clear rationale for considering terrorism to be a crime. I also like the idea of making Terrorism a separate task force. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Anyone else have any thoughts? Because if there are no objections, I will do the merge soon. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: The lack of participation by others in this discussion suggests nobody else is watching this page. There are merging guidelines at WP:MERGEPROP that explain how to formally propose a merger and to notify affected users. Since you have already started a discussion here, what should probably be done now is to put a notice on both WikiProject pages and perhaps send a ping to the "active" WikiProject Terrorism editors, or at least those who have added themselves to the list in the last couple of years. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe: By "both pages", do you mean e.g. the main Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism page rather than the talk page we're currently on? jlwoodwa (talk) 17:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa: Yes. I did say "WikiProject" pages, and the instructions say that notices go on article pages, rather than talk pages. Apologies if that was not clear enough. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 18:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe The merging instructions for WikiProjects as given on the guidance page doesn't say to use merge tags, but I do agree I may want to ping people. Thanks! PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Pinging the people who have added themself to the list in the past few years:

@Baltarstar @Parham wiki @Tamedu quaternion @Randoperson1 @DivineReality @TheEpicGhosty PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support: The concept of crime does seem to encompass the entirety of the concept of terrorism. I do wonder if there are edge cases, like state oppression being legal in some places, but to all outside observers it would be terrorism. In any case, I think this would be a productive merge because there is more activity on WikiProject Crime, and that might make it easier to onboard assistance for the new task force. Good idea!

Baltarstar (talk) 11:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

We have two supports (three counting me) and no opposes after over two weeks, including all the active members of this project, so I take that as a sign that I have consensus and will begin doing the merge stuff soon. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

One recommendation as a precursor for making a WikiProject defunct is to edit the participants list and divide it into those who have been active in the last year, not active in the last year and those who have been blocked. I thought this a good idea to also apply for the merged task force, so I have edited the list of participants in the Terrorism task force to show those who have been active on Wikipedia in the last year and those whose last edit was more than a year ago, as well as those who are blocked indefinitely and those whose supplied user name no longer exists. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)#Requested move 2 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)#Requested move 2 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 07:26, 5 October 2024 (UTC)