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Wikipedia:WikiProject Blogging

We're planning to relaunch Wikipedia:WikiProject Blogging. Any help would be valued. Computerjoe's talk 10:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

AssessorTags

Hello! I thought that I'd bring to your attention a new script which I have created, AssessorTags, which helps to add WikiProject banners to talk pages. The banners for this project and its task forces have have now been included in the script, so it may be helpful when locating and tagging articles. Documentation for the script can be found here, and if you have any questions feel free to ask at my talk page. Please not that I will probably not be watching this page, so comments left here will not be responded to. –Drilnoth (T • C) 01:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyone who's interested

Have a look at User:Dank55/Macroview. This was an article I speedied, and the creator is asking if it can be saved. Any thoughts? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Oddly enough, I'm somewhat familiar with it, although it is probably outside the norm for this WikiProject. Can it be improved to meet WP:RS? It's highly specialized software used for plant/facility management. Similar systems/software are available from companies like Siemens and Johnson Controls. Wikipedia's coverage of Facility management systems is very lacking although there is at least an article for BACnet. Tothwolf (talk) 03:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

...and there is an article on SCADA. This stuff gets into a very niche field. It would be nice if Wikipedia gave it proper coverage but because of how niche market some of these things are it might be difficult. Tothwolf (talk) 04:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

...and there's an article on Modbus. Maybe I should add this to my list of category cleanup tasks and create a navbar for this stuff... I'd probably not have thought to check for this stuff on Wikipedia before. Tothwolf (talk) 04:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Binary code (computing) → Binary code

Binary code (computing) → Binary code has been proposed at WP:RM 76.66.193.69 (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

How to Join this Project?

How can I join this project? I would like to contribute to the Homoiconicity discussion page but are unable to do so before I have joined this project. ClassA42 (talk) 20:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Just add your name to the list here. And you can copy the userbox to your page if you'd like as well. Then just edit the articles you'd like. — Ched ~ ^(yes?)/_© 20:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

ZG5

ZG5 is not an aspire one model, but I do not know exactly what it relates to. this "model number" is found on the sticker that shows the power requirements, I believe it is either the power board model or the adapter pin model.

This model number is definately found on other acer models so is not aspire one specific. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.210.12 (talk) 16:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Article Importance scale

I'm repeating this question from the sub-page Assessment‎, in the assumption that it is never checked.

How are the importance levels of articles decided? For example, would it be fair to say that complimentary terms would be of equal importance, or does the topic of each and people's opinion take precedence? - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 22:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I find it amusing that this talkpage is rated high-importance. --Mika1h (talk) 19:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Complements are not necessarily of equal importance, especially in cases where one only exists to distinguish from the other. I wish I could draw a better example, but for now I would say that RISC as terminology would outweigh CISC, the latter whose meaning is essentially "not RISC". While RISC itself is a highly notable topic, CISC itself is not, but its constituent topics like x86 are. Ham Pastrami (talk) 02:36, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I've re-added the project banner to this page. The template also handles categorizing all sorts of pages, including project pages, see Category:Project-Class Computing articles. Tothwolf (talk) 04:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

In any case, it's a fairly subjective score. I agree with HP that RISC is more likely to be important. Why is this talk page high? Well, maybe it shouldn't be. In fact, I'm going to remove the {{WikiProject Computing}} banner, since it is (a) a talk page and (b) a little too recursive. tedder (talk) 02:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Somehow I must have removed my own comment- re-added it and replying. Didn't know the template was important to have on there; I looked on a very active project, it wasn't there, so I assumed it could be removed. tedder (talk) 04:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Project banners always go on talk pages. Often they are present on a WikiProject's main talk page but project banners are not required. Not all projects that use a banner template use the Project class either. A banner can also go on a category talk page, redirect talk page, etc. The importance score isn't really needed for Project class pages and it is often set to NA. This one had always been set to High from what I can remember but generally importance is only used for articles. The documentation for {{WPBannerMeta}} is quite complex but if you need any specific info let me know and I'll see if I can point you in the right direction. The WikiProject computing banner template is one of the more complex examples because of all the extra hooks and taskforces that are linked into it. Tothwolf (talk) 05:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks tothwolf- I'll continue on your talk page if I have any questions about it in the future. Didn't know that's where I needed to look for info. tedder (talk) 05:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

There is also Template talk:WPBannerMeta which might be a good place to check if something isn't easily found in the documentation. Classes like "Project", "Category", "Template", etc are part of the extended scale enabled with the FULL_QUALITY_SCALE= parameter. Documentation for the various class= and importance= parameters is kinda spread out. The options are mostly mentioned in the {{WPBannerMeta}} documentation. For an actual description of the article assessment ratings one place to start is Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment and Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria. WikiProjects are intended to have article assessment documentation on their /Assessment subpage but when going though various projects I've found better than 70-80% lack that information. You can see the page I put together for WP:WPIRC on the Assessment subpage there. Tothwolf (talk) 05:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Recent Death

Not sure if this guy meets your notability criteria. If he does, I couldn't find a page on him. I thought one of you may want to write a brief page if interested: [1]. 69.68.238.142 (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Source code written by editors

Please take a look and comment: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_science#Source_code_written_by_editors. This seems to be a huge problem in Wikipedia. Offliner (talk) 22:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

BeaTunes

I declined the db-spam deletion on this one because it looks like potentially notable software, and not too promotional. Please let me know if I was wrong. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

ISO, wrong definition.

In the article that discusses about ISO 9000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9000) there is a wrong definition:

This article mentions that "ISO" stands for "International Organization for Standardization" however this is not true. "ISO" is a Greek word meaning "EQUAL" which was selected by the International Organization for Standardization to name a set of quality standards.

Please note that the initials of the International Organization for Standardization are "IOS" not "ISO".

Best regards,

Luis R. Villegas H. Mexico —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuisVillegas (talk • contribs) 03:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

International Organization for Standardization#Name and abbreviation explains that. Where does ISO 9000 say different? Mark Hurd (talk) 15:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Mark Hurd.

The problem is that ISO 9000 mentions, "ISO 9000 is maintained by ISO, the International Organization for Standardization". So, it is understood that "ISO" stands for "International Organization for Standardization". However, "ISO" is just part of the organization's logo and is the name of its set of quality standards.

I think that the ISO 9000 article should say, instead: "ISO 9000 is maintained by the International Organization for Standardization" to avoid any confusion regarding the Greek word "ISO". It is a small but important detail.

Best,

Luis R. Villegas H. Mexico. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.245.26.150 (talk) 05:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

From International Organization for Standardization#Name and abbreviation: "the organization's founders chose ISO as the universal short form of its name." And seeing as the article is referring to ISO 9000, a reference to the source of ISO is needed.

(BTW I nearly agreed with you and started to change the sentence as you suggested, but then I realised the ISO reference would need to be explained anyway.)

Mark Hurd (talk) 15:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

All right, Mark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.153.75.163 (talk) 03:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Dell Latitude Talk Page

I just put the project banner on the talk page for the Dell Latitude article. Although I have given it ratings, I would like it if someone were to give a second opinion. Oldlaptop321 (talk) 13:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Computer virus AfD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Win32_Swizzor

FYI. 14:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary tag?

I think somebody might have tagged Open Source Beer Project with this project's tag by mistake. It has nothing to do with open source software, if that's where the initial thought was. It's about beer whose recipe is open source. Just a thought. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 09:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the banner was put in place by a bot. [2] Most likely the bot placed a project banner on all articles listed in Category:Open content projects. Tothwolf (talk) 09:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I removed it. Feel free to re-add it if I made a mistake. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 04:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought Category:Open content projects was basically a computing/computer related category -- Tinu Cherian - 07:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Armorlogic

Hi, the above page was created by a founder of the company and there is therefore a COI issue. (discussed here [3]) If someone could take a look at it and add their opinion as to whether it is a notable company and perhaps edit it a little it would be very useful. Thanks Smartse (talk) 10:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Top research

Very good! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.178.130 (talk) 06:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

huh ? -- Tinu Cherian - 07:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

List of digital library projects

The page List of digital library projects is a complete mess and has been for a very long time (since at least 2003 [4]) and the trend is for it to get worse. I propose to merge it with many of the links in lists on the Digtal Library page and then split it into Categories within: Category:Digital library projects. The specific categories would be:

1. Category:Scholarly digital library projects for academic digital libraries whose primary focus is on the research on the textual content of the library
2. Category:Commercial digital library projects for digital libraries which charge a fee for hosting, download or upload.
3. Category:Research digital library projects for academic digital libraries whose primary focus is on Digital library research
4. Category:Digital library software for Digital library specific software
5. Category:Author-oriented digital library projects for digital libraries whose primary focus is the works of a particular author, poet or other content creator
6. Category:Geographic region-oriented digital library projects for digital libraries whose primary focus is the works relating to a particular geographic region
7. Category:Langauge-oriented digital library projects for digital libraries whose primary focus is the works of a language (or group of closely related languages),
8. Category:Themed digital library projects for digital libraries whose primary focus is works on a specific topic or theme not by another sub-category of Category:Digital library projects

As with all categories, all links would be to wikipedia articles, which would be expected to stand the Wikipedia:Notability criteria un-aided.

Comments? Stuartyeates (talk) 08:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Alan Turing Year

The new page titled Alan Turing Year is moderately orphaned: probably more pages should link to it. Michael Hardy (talk) 17:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

CrawlTrack

A Prod has been placed on the above article and I am not to sure of it's notability maybe someone here can shine some light on it. A google search returns 750,000 hits, thanks. BigDunc^Talk 20:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Googles search hit counts are misleading. Following the search to the last page gives a count of about 600 [5]. — Loadmaster (talk) 15:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Updated the intro.

I was glad to find this article as it helped further clarify subnets and submasks. I had already read some other articles however and had that going in. I noticed a note that the single sentence lead section didn't fit Wiki standards, so I took that opportunity to add an intro paragraph that set the stage with regard to routers, IP adresses, why we care about certain sections of the IP address and what they do. It's written in lay-person's language because I'm a lay person and, as someone newly learning this stuff, I saw the need to outline the basics in common terms so the reader would have a framework for interpreting the more technical details.

I hope it helped! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.217.39.148 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC).

eSATA, SATA, ATA, SCIS

There is a need to keep to one article as there are some profound and some not so profound differences. Integrating the differences in one article allows for continuity in the thought process. Include diagrams as some are visual learners and others are text learners. DJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.184.14 (talk) 14:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Amiga 600 Computer

Information I read in the late 90's, Stated that the "Amiga 600" was originally designed and going to be Commodore's first Laptop Computer. Hence NO NUMERIC KEYPAD and the new PCMCIA Slot!!! Poor sales of it's predecessor, the Amiga 500+ got Commodore executives worried. There was nothing in the pipe-line to replace the A500+ and it's ailing sales. And Commodore desperateley wanted something to release for Christmas 1992, from what I recall of the article, Christmas was Peak Sale time for most Computer sales. Apparently it was suggested by someone at commodore to scrap the Laptop Idea, which was stagnating, or running into problems and release the already semi-designed and built A600 mainboard (previously known under another name) as a replacement of the A500+ in Christmas of 1992! As I said, this is information I read in a Commodore Magazine in the late 90's, I am going from memory, as I unfortunateley do not have the article anymore, and cannot remember the publisher. I do remember this article, as it influenced me to buy my A600, which I still own to this day! But this does fit the History, as follows... 1) No Numeric Keypad on the A600, laptops do not have these! 2) The added PCMCIA slot, not on any previous Amiga Computers, but possibly on Laptops of the era? 3) Poor 500+ sales, commiting Commodore to replace it with the A600 4) A600 bugs, as it was rushed onto the market, a market it was not originally intended for Ihope this assists your site with added info? Darren Holt, a former Amiga computer repairer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.212.109 (talk) 12:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

New Child WikiProject

Is this the correct place to request a child WikiProject? Geek2003 (talk) 16:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Is it related to Computer / Computing ? -- Tinu Cherian - 07:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

We started in my sandbox User:Geek2003/Sandbox1 and have just moved it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Nortel to setup the templates and start putting them in talk pages, so we could see if they would work. Any guidance on WikiProject Hierarchy, and Categories Hierarchy? Geek2003 (talk) 01:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you wish to add this Wikiproject as a descendant project ? -- Tinu Cherian - 18:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I wanted your recommendation of where to add it? See here:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nortel#Related_WikiProject Geek2003 (talk) 20:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

My personal suggestion is :-

• • Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing
    • Wikipedia:WikiProject Telecommunications
    • Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer networking
      • Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nortel

Would your project like to use the Generic Computing Banner {{Computing|nortel=yes|nortel-importance=}} instead of {{WP Nortel}} like most of the other child/ descendant projects of WP:COMP ? -- Tinu Cherian - 04:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I would like to keep it seperate, because of the overlap into Radio, TV, Telephone, Optical, and other engineering subjects. Geek2003 (talk) 13:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

RADIUS

I just got done re-working the RADIUS article. I need a peer review of the article before I attempt to nominate it for GA status. kgrr ^talk 16:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Can you push the UDP port information between accounting and roaming ? --Naveenpf (talk) 02:28, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

XMLmosaic

Hi I am the maker of the XMLmosaic programming language and I wish to have a Wikipedia article about XMLmosaic. I will give all the dertails of the Interreter construction etc. if needed.

Dylan Borg (talk) 11:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Multiplex- vs. Modulation-Schemes

At some places, these two terms seem to be interchanged. E.g. in Complementary code keying:

"At higher speeds (up to a theoretical maximum of 54 Mbit/s), 802.11g WLANs use a more sophisticated modulation scheme called orthogonal frequency division multiplexing (OFDM)."

Free-radical (talk) 09:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Training and tips citations for software packages?

I and currently using MS Word 2003 on Windows XP and I need to re-train myself to use Word 2007 (and other Office applications as well). I'm beginning to use Wikipedia as a starting point for looking for information on any established concept or entity, so I found the article on Microsoft Word. There is some interesting "problem" information in "Features and flaws" but nothing on training sources. I'm wondering what people think about having a heading "Training and Tips" that would discuss training sources and also usage tips. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ProfAck (talk • contribs) 20:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Xerlin up for deletion

An article which is part of the WikiProject has been nominated for deletion, please could members assist in the saving of this article by adding their voice to the discussion page, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Xerlin. Iamthenewno2 (talk) 08:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Susan Barnes (computing)

The article has been around since 2006, but with little activity. I can't tell from the 28 hits at Google news archives whether you guys would consider her notable or not. - Dank (push to talk) 15:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I've added a notability note to the article, which will hopefully draw the attention of either those who love the topic or those who will delete it. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Complete rewrite of List of digital library projects

I have completely rewritten the content of List of digital library projects to purge the link-farm problem. I propose to replace the current page in about a week, if no-one objects. I have checked all the links to existing wiki pages, and they're all in Category:Digital libraries or it's new subcategories. I've checked many (but perhaps not all) of the external links and most are either (a) linked to from other wikipedia pages (b) spam or (c) in languages I don't speak. The rewrite is currently at User:Stuartyeates/List of digital library projects, feel free to edit it. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Maligned drivers

In the discussion of Packet Loss, "Maligned Drivers" are cited as a potential source of packet loss. I don't assume that drivers being spoken badly about are to blame. Is this meant to be "Malignant" drivers, meaning 'harmful', or maybe "Misaligned" drivers, not correctly configured to 'line up' with the network in which such drivers participate?

Mctmike (talk) 18:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

In this context Maligned means spoken about maliciously or accused. See http://www.thefreedictionary.com/maligned or http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/maligned. It normally means that a non-official has accused the drivers of causing problems but there is no apparent proof, official accusation, conviction or admission of guilt. The word could be removed, since it's a weasel word in this context anyway. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

W. Wesley Peterson, inventor of the CRC

Just a sad note to report Dr. Peterson's passing last week. Memorial service will be held in Honolulu and Thursday, May 21st, 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.96.37 (talk) 23:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Computer Architecture

Hello all, I'm considering spending a fair bit of this summer fixing up the Computer Architecture related pages. The first issue is trying to figure out if they should be reorganized in some more consistent way, perhaps in-line with the organization of Hennessy and Paterson's books or some such. It would require a large number of Public Domain figures and stuff like that. Is anyone interested in discussing a way to reorganize, think that reorganizing is a bad idea, or willing to contribute figures? Hobit (talk) 13:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd advise against reorganising and rewriting articles at the same time. I'd also advise that you start small and work up. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. The problem is that there is no organization at the moment that I can find. Just a jumble of topics. But I think I'll rewrite and then reorganize later. Hobit (talk) 12:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Ogg Media

FYI, Ogg Media, the OGM article, has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.208.129 (talk) 08:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Blogging

I posted a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Blogging#Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing asking whether or not that project should become a child project of this one. Computerjoe's talk 14:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Request for people who have copies of any of the following publications.

• Abbate, Janet. Inventing the Internet. Cambridge: MIT Press, 1999.
• Campbell-Kelly, Martin; Aspray, William. Computer: A History of the Information Machine. New York: BasicBooks, 1996.
• Graham, Ian S. The HTML Sourcebook: The Complete Guide to HTML. New York: John Wiley and Sons, 1995.
• Krol, Ed. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Internet, 1987.
• Krol, Ed. Whole Internet User's Guide and Catalog. O'Reilly & Associates, 1992.
• Scientific American Special Issue on Communications, Computers, and Networks, September, 1991.

These texts were used as references in the creation of the History of the Internet article. However, they were added to the article at a time when there was no accepted system of inline citation, and there is no link between the references and what they are cited to support. This leaves some parts of the article apparently uncited, but supposedly supported by these texts.

Can someone with these texts please read over the article, and identify the sections and statements that are supported by these texts.

Thanks in advance. --Barberio (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Expert attention needed at Clairlib please

I don't know enough about software to establish whether or not this is particularly notable. In addition, the article needs a bit of a rewrite, as it was written by one of the developers (or seems to have been, anyway, based on the username). //roux   02:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:Needed-Class Computing articles

There are Needed-Class categories for several Computing WPs, but there is no parameter currently in Template:WikiProject Computing to populate those categories. I think it would require adding custom classes to the template. Is the project intending to use the Needed-Class categories? If so, then the project template needs to be updated. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

ICL System 10

ICL System 10 was released in 1972. It used core memory. I've initiated enquires to Science Museum Swindon Wroughton for more information. I beleive it should be added to the ICL family of computers already here on wikipedia. Pigwiki2010 (talk) 03:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Reward for C++ GA/DYK

For those interested, I have posted an open reward for anyone who contributes significantly to a C++-related GA or DYK. The offer can be found here: Wikipedia:Reward_Board#C++GA/DYK. decltype (talk) 02:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Advice sought concerning Alexa traffic rankings in Comparison of wiki farms article

Please see:

• Comparison of wiki farms
• Talk:Comparison of wiki farms#Removed Alexa column and the related talk sections that follow.
• Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Spamfighters repeatedly trying to delete longstanding popular chart of wiki farms

--Timeshifter (talk) 19:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Dell mergers/acquisitions FLRC

User:SRE.K.A.L.24 has nominated List of mergers and acquisitions by Dell for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Usefulness of Alexa traffic rankings

How useful are Alexa traffic rankings?

At Talk:Comparison of wiki farms#Advice sought concerning Alexa traffic rankings DreamGuy wrote the following:

Alexa traffic ratings are completely meaningless in the real world. They are easily manipulated, only poll an extremely small and unrepresentative sample of the web-surfing public, and serve no purpose whatsoever other than to give WP:UNDUE weight. They should be removed here and everywhere on Wikipedia. DreamGuy (talk) 15:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I find Alexa rankings useful in a rough way as another factor for choosing between which wiki farm to use. There are many other factors of course; software used, free/paid, staff responsiveness, censorship policy, etc..

I think popularity (as in Alexa traffic rank) of a site is an indicator of longevity. I have found this to be true for other web hosts. It may be true also for wiki farms.

There are no policies or guidelines against including Alexa traffic rankings in an article, list, or chart. There are many Wikipedia pages with Alexa traffic rankings. See the results of this search of Wikipedia articles for Alexa rank.

There is an infobox with Alexa rank as one of the parameters: Template:Infobox Website. That infobox is on many pages.

So what do others think? Please see also: Alexa Internet#Accuracy of ranking by the Alexa Toolbar. Here is my opinion: Any manipulation over the longterm to jack up the rank of a particular site would be difficult to maintain since it would require many multiple installs of the Alexa toolbar on many computers in a coordinated effort that would have to be changing over time to avoid scrutiny by Alexa. Very few websites would have the resources, network of people, and time, to do this successfully longterm, and get away with it unobserved by Alexa. As with all info reported in Wikipedia articles people have to decide for themselves as to the relative merits of Alexa traffic rankings. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Assimilation

"Talk to the potential child WikiProjects about co-ordination, and see what sort of response you get. Be careful not to try to dictate to them; they could be sensitive about you appearing out of nowhere and wanting to assimilate them."

I personally believe dictate may be too harsh of a word to use here, but I do have some minor concerns about how daughter projects (underneath this one) are managed. There seems to be this sort of implied structure, with Computing acting as the rule all parent. My main concern is WikiProject Computer Security; the topic is "very" broad. I believe the project is being treated as a "child task-force" of this project (e.g. our project color scheme, your banner with a switch for the project and article rating, and us using your criteria system; whereas we don't use the major one).

This seems to run the same way for other projects; another example may be WikiProject Software (implying parentage and a hierarchy of projects). Thoughts? Possible resolutions? ^blurred_peace ☮ 19:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Unix merging

The current version is problematic : the recent merge hasn't been finished (eg: Mv, it's enough urgent), and its heterogeneity : the page names are depending of chronology instead of a lexical place (eg: ls instead of ls (Unix) will engendered a conflict if the users would need to add another "ls" definition). Thanks for your support. JackPotte (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The situation of absent article has been now resolved, but the page name debate is still open. JackPotte (talk) 21:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

In the case of a command name like "mv", it makes sense to rename it to "mv (Unix)" or "mv (command)", because there is already a disambiguation page for it, as an abbreviation with multiple meanings. It also makes sense to group all of the Unix command names by a single naming convention. — Loadmaster (talk) 15:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree, with this norm every bot would easily modify only these pages. JackPotte (talk) 00:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Won't "mv (POSIX)" be more encyclopaedic? Stuartyeates (talk) 09:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I would have said it would make sense to group them under one article Unix / Linux commands or something similar not looked at the article but find it hard otbelieve that oen command could justify a entire article in itself--Andy Chat c 11:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Any chance of including information on differences of MPEG 2 Layer I, MPEG 2 Layer II and MPEG 2 Layer III

I got here attempting research the differneces between MPEG 2 Layer I, MPEG 2 Layer II and MPEG 2 Layer III. I am concentrating my research on playability and functionality issues. I need my MP3 files to play on the largest number of players and still retain functionality (rewind, fast forward, and scrolling through tracks are of the greatest concern). I am looking at what role the I, II vs. III layering plays in decreasing playability and functionality in the end file. Or what are the differences in the different encoder types (I hope this is the right phrase for the three "layers" associated with MPEG 2). Ultra57 (talk) 22:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you asking how to do this? or if the article should have it? before i answer i need to know befor ei might make the wrong assumption--Andy Chat c 22:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE - I may have stumbled on the wrong area of the WIKI in that I am researching for MP3's. I would still be interested in the Layer differences for this subject. I am trying to determine what the ramifications of Layer I vs. Layer II vs. Layer III have on playability and functionality. Will this change an MP3 file's ability to maybe play on an older player or will functionality be lost on those older players. Are these development phases that involved improvements to security or some other type of improvement? What are the general differences between I, II and III. I am looking at LAME and it appears to have all three layers (just depending on the version). Other encoders may have all three in various versions also. What I was attempting to determine was the ramifications and justifications for the I, II or III, and should I be expecting a IV? == Felt the WIKI would benefit from such information. Ultra57 (talk) 01:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

So basically you are treating this like answer forum? if so i advise you not to it against wikipedia polocies. if you want to know about techincal merits of the encoders there is a part of wikipedia where they answer those type of questions is about problem wiht the articles.--Andy Chat c 12:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Grace (plotting tool)

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RfC: Parentage and Implied Structures for Daughter WikiProjects

See my section above this one (that has gone uncommented from participants of the project) for a better view on the situation. I generally want to see independence given to WikiProjects parented by this one, and remove the underlying sense of bureaucracy from all the daughter projects (e.g. WikiProject Software's coordination and hierarchy). I request comments, possible resolutions, and meaningful discussion so we can come to some sort of consensus on what to do. ^blurred_peace ☮ 11:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

To be honest i have no idea what you are implying, do you mean the sub project software does not have enough powers or something?--Andy Chat c 11:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Well really, my concern is mostly towards WikiProject Software and WikiProject Computer security for two, somewhat, related reasons. As for WPCS, I see the project almost as a duplication of this project (the project page, and how we are using WPC's navigator sidebar). For WPS, I believe that they're implying a form of hierarchy (or somewhat of a bureaucracy). Why is it necessary to have project coordinators when there's only thirty-four participants (twenty-nine active)? The parentage box at WPS bothers me a bit as well, as it's a direct hierarchy (that gained no consensus on, it was just created). I would have brought this up directly with WPS but WPCS was concerned as well, so I thought this might be the best place to place my concerns. ^blurred_peace ☮ 12:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a userboxes such as this that I feel are implying some sort of hierarchy to be followed (noting the number of participants and 'need' for coordinators, etc). ^blurred_peace ☮ 12:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I see you point, i would not say my experiance with porject yet would be good enough to give my opinions on it since it seems to be quite a high level problem i have only really been involved in porjects at article improvement level and suggestions as yet--Andy Chat c 12:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm ending the RfC as nobody seems to be overtly interested in discussion. I'll bring this up with the daughter projects in question respectively. Thanks for everyone's time. ^blurred_peace ☮ 00:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I will comment in detail soon, having worked with lots of WikiProjects for so long -- Tinu Cherian - 10:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

The OS commands collections

We've now got 161 DOS commands to approve, and 310 Unix ones. Before create the missing articles, please adopt the norm : article name = "command (DOS) or (Unix)". JackPotte (talk) 04:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Project Members

If there are no complaints (within a day or so), I will delete all "red-link" members names. -- Mjquin_id (talk) 03:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

So far, of the ones I have checked it looks like nearly all are deleted accounts.

The redlink user accounts that haven't been deleted have not had user contributions in over a year (of the ones I have checked). Maybe those should be kept though? We need all the help we can get.

Many people only use their talk pages, and not their user pages. Busy people shouldn't be discouraged from helping out here when they have time. The most skilled people are oftentimes the most busy, and may not edit often. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I more or less agree with Timeshifter. Some editors choose not to have a user page, even though they regularly contribute (e.g Oceanh). We could probably create a list of inactive members (those who haven't edited in a year), like over here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Films/Participants#Inactive_members, but it would be a lot of work, I suppose. decltype (talk) 15:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm a red link editor although I'm not listed there. Tothwolf (talk) 00:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Dont remove them from participants list but those who havent edited for last atleast 6 months ( or 1 year) or so may be moved to an inactive members section? Who is willing to take up this task ? :) -- Tinu Cherian - 00:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It would take alot of work to swithc people to inactive and check if they are, i suggest leaving amessage on there talk asking if they are still active or still takign part in the project--Andy (talk - contrib) 12:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

COmputing article layout

Is there any page in the project that shows hwoa page should be laid out? apart from MOS which i can not even find a link to

If not i think we should designa layout that computer article shoudl take so that we can work on getting articles up to FA status or FL status--Andy (talk - contrib) 12:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Consensus Please

Excessive cross-posting. Spammed to 11 WikiProjects. [6] Hans Adler 14:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
In the article Physics of the Impossible a single editor removed material that I believe, very much enhanced this article. The other editor’s view is that the removed material was off topic. My view is that it is very much on topic. The current article is here: (current) The version which I restored is at my sub page here: (restored) Everything that was removed is related to the book. This is because, as the author writes: “The material in this book ranges over many fields and disciplines, as well as the work of many outstanding scientists.” There is a two and one half page list of the individuals, “who have graciously given their time for lengthy interviews, consultations, and interesting, stimulating conversations.” Most on this list happen to be scientists. I listed only the first 22 individuals and these are scientists. In addition, I linked their names to their biography on Wikipedia. I also listed each scientist’s fields of specialties. Many on the list in the article have more than one field of specialty (view here), and hence this reflects the breadth of knowledge contained in this book. If you look at this section in the restored article you will see what I mean. In addition, before this material was removed by the one editor, the article was much more interactive. It was also more in line with the intent of Wikipedia that that the readers (as well as the editors) have a satisfying experience with Wikipedia. One aspect of this more satisfying experience is being able to access the knowledge that is available at Wikipedia on the sciences, and, perhaps, the mathematics. So, I linked not only the names on the list, but also many of their scientific disciplines to the respective Wikipedia article. Accessing this knowledge supports the following WikiProjects and their respective portals: (there are more I am sure) WikiProject Astronomy WikiProject Books WikiProject Physics WikiProject Space WikiProject History of Science WikiProject Science WikiProject Mathematics WikiProject Technology WikiProject Computing WikiProject Computer Science WikiProject Engineering Also, there were graphics that were removed which support the article and the concepts in the book. I believe these should be restored as well. These are on the restored article page, at my sub page. The captions of the graphics show that the book is grounded in real science. If you scroll through the restored article you will see the variety of graphics. I believe these enhance the article aesthetically, as well as help to give a clearer picture of the concepts contained in the book and the article. Lastly, there were external links that were removed which reflect the concepts in the book. These external links were removed as though they were not relevant. For example, I will list some of the external links, and then the page number in the book, to which each link is related: Solar sails: pp. 152, 158 - 159, 166, 172… Space elevators: pp. 165 – 169 Black holes: 156, 232, 235 – 236… Travel at the speed of light: 159 – 161, 163 – 165, 169 – 170… Unfortunately the external links that were removed are going to have to be restored one at a time, because they cannot be cut and pasted back from the revision history without some distortion. I think these external links should also, be restored to the article. I think the bottom line is, let common sense decide. Even Wikipedia guidelines say that they are just guidelines, not letter of the law. I would appreciate a consensus on whether or not to keep the removed material. Please place your comments here: Consensus please. This is on the talk page of Physics of the Impossible. Thanks for your time Ti-30X (talk) 13:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

List of convicted computer criminals at FLC

Please comment at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of convicted computer criminals/archive1. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Wireless network standards

Anyone familiar with the topic? I just deprodded Isa100.11a as it is a developing standard that seems notable judging from the coverage in the tech press, but I don't know enough about this area to work on the article. Ta v much. Fences&Windows 01:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

New Interaction & Usability task force

I want to contact people interested in Usability, Human-computer interaction, Information visualization, Interface design, Web design and Information architecture willing to create a task force within the WP:Computing project. The goals for this task force should be (among others):

• to create and expand articles in these topics lacking content,
• document the history and relevant actors of this movement,
• cross-reference the primary concepts as defined in the articles,
• identify Computing articles with special interest for this group,
• and increase awareness of the discipline by referencing topics in this area from other computing articles when relevant.

I've not participated in any WP task force before, and I'm not quite sure what is the bureaucracy involved. How and where can I publicize this initiative, what are the required steps to create a task force, and to whom should I ask approval within the Computing project?

Thanks, Diego (talk) 14:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

This is the information i know when i asked on helpdesk, first you ha ve to get a consensus on the parent project first and if there is then it has to be decided if the taskforce is needed.Then you have the job of creating the task force etc which i believe is fair easy compare to making sub project. There will be other on here with experaince who can better serve you if it to go ahead and help dcreate it with the experaince. Good luck.

Support as i have no objection and feel it help general imrpove these type of articles--Andy (talk - contrib) 14:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I will soon try to post here my rationale on why a specific task force is needed. Diego (talk) 14:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

AfD - List of books on the history of computing

I've suggested at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of books on the history of computing that the article might be useful in this wikiproject's namespace, as a subpage(s). Anyone interested? -- Quiddity (talk) 03:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Conversions to/from WebArchive format

At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webarchive#Conversions under the subheading 'Conversions' I have three external links; one for each type of conversion.

Is the exceptional treatment of those three external links reasonable?

Key points:

• there is much misunderstanding about WebArchive format and its place within open source

• a typical misconception is that WebArchive is proprietory, and/or for Safari only

so:

• in the page, I aim to draw attention to all supporting and related applications, classes, convertors and utilities

— without bias

— with special reference to conversion/interop.

Grahamperrin (talk) 09:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Manufacturers of computer peripherals including HDD

Having just bought a new Buffalo Technology external HDD from Staples in Epsom I was searching for information about the company 'Buffalo Technology' and the technology of HDD. I found it disconcerting that Buffalo Technology (aka Melco, ) was not listed as one of the 5 companies that make HDD . Now it could be that one of the 5 make HDD for Buffalo, but there is no (none whatsoever) credit to any other company on the equipment itself or documentation or company website. I also considered if it could be that Buffalo are so small that they are not worth mentioning, though the article on HDD manufacturers strongly infers that there are no other manufacturers and a further article lists the companies that have gone out of business. Speaking at ITCVE 2008, Dave Gibson (employee of Buffalo Technology) revealed that Buffalo was the number one memory vendor in Japan (see external reference ). I am not sure of the validity of this reference.

Is there a good reason why the pages on Melco can not be linked with manufacturers of HDD? If not I would like to propose that reference 1 is linked to reference 2 directly with an insert/edit explaining that there are other manufacturers of HDD either specifically or by reference to another list of other manufacturers of HDD (including the listed competitors of Buffalo Technology in reference 1).

There is a vaugue mention of Mitsubishi on reference 1 and Mitsubishi leaving the industry on reference 2 but then there is no actual link affiliation between Melco and Mitsubishi. This could be a red herring.

RobertHeathfield (talk) 04:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Peer to Peer is an original and patented technologies.

Please respect the inventions and patented technologies.

Peer to Peer was first invented in 1996 by a company named Pipedream US patent 5884031, Jeffrey L. Ice, "Method for connecting client systems into a broadcast network", issued 1996-10-1  , not Napster... Napster was the first hacking project to prevent artists and editors to collect from their work. Peer to Peer technology is not by essence nicely represented by Napster. Another patent made in 1998 by Patrick Zuili US patent 6633901, Patrick Zuili, "Multi-route client-server architecture", issued 1998-10-22  was clearly showing the particularities of peer to peer as a whole architecture to maintain and fragment a content into a plurality of clients, long before Napster, long before any other cited references, beside the invention of the telephone that could be cited as a reference beside the fact that it has no relationship with a peer to peer exchange. (protocol particularity)

If these patent are not known by general public, does not remove the value of its original content as well novelty in the matter.

By removing annotations Wikipedia network and users remove themselves from the truth and the reality of facts.

RFC1 describe peer to peer as much as the telephone does long time before...Please before inserting references review them if you understand basic concepts !

Source Wikipedia Napster was created in 1999, "the first of its kind in the late 1990s" look improper why not putting the right date which is 1999.

It look like the maintenance of this page as well as its content is improper thanks to historical facts and time stamped references like patents.

it look like the people involved to validate changes do validate based on their own interests, preventing originals inventors of any response or even tagging them as spammer...

Patents are protected in USA, as much as copyright, please refrain yourself from commenting third parties inventors because "content that violates any copyrights will be deleted

(Patrickzuili (talk) 02:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC))

I am not sure I follow your reasoning here. You probably know that the Peer-to-peer page currently does not claim what you say it does about Napster: actually, it says it was "one of the first" peer-to-peer systems. And you weren't the one changing that, someone else was. What you changed, on the other hand, involved repeatedly adding claims that Patrick Zuili (that is you, surely?) filed the first patent for the first peer-to-peer system. That was not based on reliable secondary sources (actually, it was not sourced at all), and it has been reverted. Please, also keep in mind the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline. Additionally, I encourage you to discuss the issue (if any) on the article's talk page, first, before going on various project and appeal pages complaining, without having entertained in any discussion with the other editors at all. --LjL (talk) 16:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Domainers mover to CyberSquatters???

The article about Domainers was eliminated and redirected to the Cyber Squatting page. I,as a domainer, spent a lot of time editing the Domainer article and working to establish it as a reputable source. Now my work is gone. I like balancd and honest contributions but it is not possible when the topic is continually relabeled with such a negative, seemingly hateful spirit as calling Domainers the same thing as Cyber Squatters. Trotline (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

"Valentina Harizanov" nominated for deletion

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valentina Harizanov. Don't just vote Keep or Delete; give your arguments. Michael Hardy (talk) 05:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR

I have nominated Microsoft Data Access Components for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 15:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Timeline of Macintosh models

I have nominated Timeline of Macintosh models for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Delrina FAR

I have nominated Delrina for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. —Mattisse (Talk) 13:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sys-Con

The reliability of Sys-Con as a source is being discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Sys-Con. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Article assignment

Can somebody rate this article Intel Core i7 --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 21:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

i will assess it but you should have posted it on the assessment page :) if the article is GA class or above it wont be able ot be assessed here--Andy (talk - contrib) 00:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Anamorphism

Can someone please take a look at Anamorphism (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch? As has been raised at Too much unexplained jargon, the article is very skimpy on definitions, in particular it doesn't even define the term itself. — Sebastian 23:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Shell account RFC

If anyone can help out and resolve this dispute over some external links over at Talk:Shell account (in which I just made a general RFC), that would be helpful. Thank you, MuZemike 23:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks. — Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 08:59, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm sure, I'm wrong here, but still don't know, where I can leave my important comment: On the article "exit status" is a broken link. Old: http://www.robvanderwoude.com/errorlevel.html New: http://www.robvanderwoude.com/errorlevel.php Maybe someone of you knows how to put the right link in this article. Sorry for the inconenience, christoph —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.146.129 (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

"VESA Video Interface Port" article

The Feature connector article talks not only about the connector itself, but also about the VESA Video Interface Port which has no article yet. So, can someone merge both? or make the VESA Video Interface Port article based on the Feature connector article? I'm not bold enough to do it. 186.136.87.139 (talk) 04:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

What you are saying suggest they are already merged i dnt think they need serperate articles either due to not be notable enough--Andy (talk - contrib) 16:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

So it's ok to link VESA Video Interface Port to Feature connector? 186.136.87.139 (talk) 03:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Peer review for Internet

Hi, I have opened a peer review for Internet at Wikipedia:Peer review/Internet/archive2. If you have time, I'd appreciate it if you could comment at the peer review to help improve the article. Thanks in advance! Gary King (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Penwick Realtim Systems Inc

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Our services are designed to provide an integrated approach to business strategy with respect to the use of latest technologies in the industry. With a strong understanding of business combined with the flexibility of number of platforms, innovative technologies ,unique design strategies and a team of incredible talents, the company is in a solid position to deliver comprehensive solutions to meet clients needs.

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Penwick™'s offerings include a broad range of IT solutions with exceptional quality and reliability. The fact that Penwick™ is among the very few companies in US with a highest level quality and reliability rating makes it a preferred software solutions provider for the enterprise. Penwick™'s approach to software development involves combining knowledge of trends and emerging technologies and complementing these with a highly skilled team that has the capability to deliver critical solutions according to well established and globally accepted software engineering practices.

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At Penwick™, we are committed to incorporating quality into every aspect of our services ranging from software development and internal business processes to consulting and customer care. We invest considerable resources in company-wide quality programs to ensure quality in every stage of our services. We follow a trade marked, relationship based service model which defines Perfectly Enhanced Naturally Wise Integrated Care KinShip(Penwick™). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkthomas65 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Comparison of ABAP and Java

This article was proposed for deletion on the grounds of unfixable original research. I deprodded as it seemed to me that a comparison between the two was reasonable, but I don't know enough about computer programming to properly assess and fix the article. Any assessments of it and editing would be welcome. Fences&Windows 16:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Now at AfD. Fences&Windows 00:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Reorganize the Computability articles

There is a discussion currently at Talk:Recursion theory#Reorganize the Computability articles about reorganising the computability articles to get some sort of hierarchy. In particular the thinking is that Computability should be an introduction rather than a disambiguation page. Dmcq (talk) 11:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

AFD discussion

Hi, CodeCon has been listed for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia policies. Please join in the discussion, and if possible, assist in saving the article by finding third party, reliable sources. there are plenty of mentions of it on the web, but mostly calls for papers on security lists, and blog reviews. You can find the discussion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CodeCon Sephiroth storm (talk) 02:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Henry Gordon Rice was...

At Henry Gordon Rice, we are informed that:

Henry Gordon Rice was a logician and mathematician best known as

No dates of birth and death. Only the word "was" implies he is deceased. But on the talk page it says the article must comply with Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons.

Which is it? Michael Hardy (talk) 04:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

AfD input sought

Anyone's input on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of ABAP and Java would be appreciated. --Cybercobra (talk) 01:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Need some neutral view/intervention on Office Open XML article

I have been involved a lot in the editting of the Office Open XML article. Recently there have been some controversy on some of the edits in this article. I am looking for some kind of mediation or opinion possibly from the wikiproject members on the subject.

Background: The Office Open XML article is an article about the document format used in MS Office 2007 and therefore often associated with Microsoft which means controversy is not uncommon. There is even a seperate article describing the fairly controverial Standardization of Office Open XML in which parties mostly supporting OpenDocument were trying to oppose the standardization of Office Open XML.

Current issues: Recently a editor user:Scientus has taken interest in the article and he and I clash on some edits. For example this edit of the article lead: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Office_Open_XML&diff=299351160&oldid=299345264 where the article lead is altered to put in a whole row of 12 critisism citations behind some neutral text about the size of the format. (this entire row of critisism citations is generally more about the Standardization of Office Open XML which has a seprate article and not so much about the format itself). This same edit has since then been removed several times by me and has moved around in the article by user:Scientus where I either removed it from the article lead or trimmed it to one citation confirming the critisism on the size of the specification.

Another recurring issue is our disagreement on the support section for Office Open XML. Several sites have been set up by companies supporting Office Open XML. For instance openxmldeveloper.org and www.openxmlcommunity.org. These are very obvious sites supporting the Office Open XML format. However user:Scientus has been removing these site in at least a dozen edits by now. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Office_Open_XML&diff=307843936&oldid=307836735 The information in the support section of the Office Open XML article is not uncommon as it is also visible in the Opendocument#Support for OpenDocument section where very similar information is listed about the Opendocument Format alliance and the OpenDocument fellowship.

Could some of the wikiproject member offer their opinion or the above subject or even assist in the maintenance of this article. hAl (talk) 21:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this Wikiproject still alive ? hAl (talk) 09:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Just not particularly active. Have you tried WP:3O? decltype (talk) 09:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see now that it's way beyond that... decltype (talk) 09:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I very nearly took that situation to ARBCOM following some deeply disturbing behaviour around it - sufficiently so for me to take a break from editing for a while. Seeing hAl making what appears to be a good faith call for assistance is an interesting data point though... -- samj _in^out 08:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Question

I wanted to ask a question about some research I want to do. I want to search approximately 20 different terms in google and find out where the Wikipedia page for each term ranks compared to other online resources. Specifically, I would be looking at terms for dermatologic conditions. So, for example, with the following search [7] on my results screen Wikipedia is the first entry, followed by medscape. Can I use google trends/"Google Insights for Search" to accomplish this? Or is there some other way I can compare google pageranks? ---kilbad (talk) 21:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I have a separate question, though it is relevant to the accuracy of the information on this page. I have a presario 5000 that has a Pentium III processor in it. None of the presario models mentioned on this page have a pentium III processor as the configuration (only intel celerons and AMD). It might be worth mentioning that some presario models had the pentium III processor in it.

Popular pages

I have requested a list of popular pages in the WikiProject Computing with [8]. --Ysangkok (talk) 01:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

wat is report in oracle 9i —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.34.89 (talk) 04:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Parchive reliable sources

There is an AfD debate on the Parchive page. The nom is pushing deletion on the basis that there's no WP:RS. There is, in my opinion (and that of most editors), extensive proof online of the widespread usage and support of the file format. Whatever your opinion on the deletion is, I'd be happy if someone knowledgeable on the field could intervene in the discussion. Moreover I feel that someone knowledgeable on the subject can come out better than us with good sources covering the format, which would anyway improve the article (if it passes the AfD). --Cyclopia (talk) 09:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Update: AfD closed as keep, article still needing attention however :) --Cyclopia (talk) 12:01, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

As much as I'd like to tackle this one, I'm finding I'm rather too busy keeping up with all the other stuff. I wouldn't mind lending a hand to whomever decides to tackle this one though. --Tothwolf (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, for whomever works on this, Parity file [9] should be unredirected as it covers a much wider topic than just Parchive and probably shouldn't have been redirected there. --Tothwolf (talk) 19:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Lucid/Lucid Inc./Hydra 100

Hydra 100 says: "The HYDRA 100 is a motherboard computer chip, designed by the computer technology company Lucid".
I would like to make "Lucid" a link.
Lucid Inc. says that this company "went bankrupt in 1994".
The disamb page Lucid doesn't seem to mention any other company with this name.
Can anybody help here? Thanks. -- 201.29.197.127 (talk) 20:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Java WikiProject

I don't want to put a mumbo jumbo into the bongo, I don't want to do too much glitz in the blitz, damzels and sirs, but I wonder if it would be a good thing to create (like now or yesterday) a Java WikiProject along the classy Programming languages WikiProject (like there is for C++) under the Computing and Computer science WikiProjects. If I'm cor-rec-to, there are about 900 articles or more on Java technology in Wikipedia, which may be more than ALL other programming languages articles combined... Proof is in the pudding my good friends so let's join the bandwagon of free coffee from the east... Please go to this sexy page --Alainr345 (talk) 07:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

100_Gigabit_Ethernet page

Hello. I have read the 100_Gigabit_Ethernet page and found out that it is high importance, but still start class. I have started adding an intro, and edited the structure, and found sources.

I'd like to get advice on what structure this article should take on to become better. I started some notes on the talk page there.

I don't have any experience on WP other than basic article editing, so please link on my talk page if you want to contact me since I don't know how to "follow" or get updates on any of this. Also, I am leaving on vacation for three weeks, so please be patient for reply.

Thanks Full Decent (talk) 20:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

If i have some free time i will post on teh talk page but for now wp:mos shoudl help a lot look for comptuer articles examples. to be honest i think 100 gigabit 10giabit giabit bla bla should all be merged intoa single aritcle on network cards or something similar no point ot each article and there always goign to eb small--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 20:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

TfD input sollicited

Opinions on a possible change of templates would be appreciated; See Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Data_unit_templates --Cybercobra (talk) 10:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

B class article?

Data Link Layer is tagged as a B class article, and yet it has no references, and doesn't even mention layer 2 devices. Re-assesment needed? Sephiroth storm (talk) 14:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Please help us with this RFC

The Open Office XML article desparately needs your help. There's a Request For Comment on the talk page here. Should Microsoft's new 'Open Office XML' document format be described as "free and open", or should we use other words to describe it? Please take a look. So far, the only ones to respond are people already involved in the article. It needs some unbiased input from people not closely involved. Your comments will help resolve months and years of edit wars. Again, here's the talk page link. Thank you for taking a quick look at this. --Lester 22:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Jacobsen v. Katzer No Longer a Stub

Hi, I recently updated jacobsen v. katzer so it's no longer a stub. Is there a process that will remove its listing as such on the computing project page? mjlissner (talk) 19:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

7,934 unassessed articles? Xenobot Mk V can help!

Xenobot can help WikiProjects with many unassessed articles because it can a) check for a {{stub}} or featured template and auto tag as such (e.g. [10] [11]) b) inherit ratings from other WikiProjects (e.g. [12] [13]) WikiProjects can set their confidence levels as permissive or restrictive as they like and exclude certain ratings. For example, A is excluded by default. Some projects have also elected to divide their category list into sections of default importance (see WP:CATS/INDIANA, [14] [15]).

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Does you scope include people

Hello, I don't see a section in this projects scope which covers people, obviously Bill Gates is included, but should say Chris Curry be within the project and maybe you could add another entry to the scope that covers this? Lee∴V (talk • contribs) 11:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I would think so. There are quite a number of BLP articles tagged with {{WikiProject Computing}}. --Tothwolf (talk) 02:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

You ought to define inclusion or you could end up with every tom, dick and harriet involved with computing ! Here's a starter for 10 'Persons notable in the development or popularisation of computers' or just simply 'Notable persons in the field of computing' ? Lee∴V (talk • contribs) 10:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Unicode symbols and Alt codes

Information with links to recordpc.com has been added to a couple of articles, and some clean up is needed, so I'm seeking opinions:

• Are the last two external links at Unicode symbols to recordpc.com useful?
• Is the new Examples section at Alt code useful? Clearly the two external "sourced from" links need to go, but is the short table useful? I think this was the original edit which inserted a larger table.

Also, Talk:Unicode symbols needs a clean up, and I wonder if Unicode should have a see also to Unicode symbols. Johnuniq (talk) 06:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The links to recordpc.com all look list link spam to me. See also looks like a good idea to me. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

OpenLDAP

So, what's missing in terms of References for the OpenLDAP article? All of the information provided there is verifiable from archives on the openldap.org site and multiple other sites around the web.

As for the importance scale, OpenLDAP probably fits in at either Mid (core OS component) or High (since it is widely deployed for more than just network OS functions).

 Highlandsun (talk) 11:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Call recording software - software available free or not - for individuals

Hi everyone, I was looking recently into the issue of recording VOIP phone calls on a personal PC. I am specifically interested in recording software for programs OTHER than Skype. (InternetCalls, VOIPdiscount, NONOH and others) I have tested a few programs on windows XP ( soliCall, vEmotion, InstantWatcher, All Messanger recorder, and more) I have also tested some on "windows 7" and NONE are working. I would like to add these ptograms to the topic: Call recording software I think that there are plenty of factors that contribute for a good choice but most significant for an individual user is the price, and ease of use. I would like to add a new table in the topic showing various programs from a point of view of an individual user.

p.s. anyone know any software for voip recording working under windows 7 ? Rafal.mazurek (talk) 16:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Merlin (database)

I found this page, I wasn't sure but would it come under this project? As it didn't seem to belong to any at the moment. Govvy (talk) 13:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

About Real-time protection list of free antispyware programs with real-time protection

I don't think McAfee Total Protection[16] is free.

I also don't think that BitDefender Free[17] has Real-time protection against spyware, unless it is referring to BitDefender Anti-Phishing Free Edition toolbar[18].SJSF (talk) 21:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Article for Creation: Memory Geometry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Memory_Geometry I'm trying to get this aricle created but the one editor that's reviewed it says it's not notable. It seems like a no-brainer to me. I'm also hoping to merge at few stubs into it, but I haven't written it to have individual sections on things like Memory Bank, and Double-sided RAM. One suggestion has been to add it on to the Random-access memory page—Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.202.243 (talk) 20:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

HP Information management software article please help improve

I have created this article on my user page at: User:JLRedperson/HP_BTO_Software

I am requesting comments and suggestions from the editors in the WikiProject computing. Full disclosure: I work for HP, however, I am a journalist by my academic background and wrote this article as a neutral, objective submission. The idea being to state the name of the product and what it does—with no hype or advertising. This is similar to Microsoft’s page that lists Microsoft_Excel as "a spreadsheet-application written and distributed by Microsoft for Microsoft Windows and Mac OS X. It features calculation, graphing tools, pivot tables and a macro programming language called VBA (Visual Basic for Applications)."

The goal of creating this article to add to the quality and quantity of information about computing technology on Wikipedia. Because HP bought several enterprise software companies during the past four years, this article attempts to help classify the portfolio to aid Wikipedia readers. Also after publication of this article, we will be able to direct Wikipedia users to this article from the pages that currently exist but are no longer accurate such as Opsware. This will add to the body of knowledge of the types of ways that software can help companies better manage their data centers, similar to the IBM pages that describe Tivoli and WebSphere software for example. (See: IBM_Tivoli_Identity_Manager and WebSphere )

I welcome all comments and suggestions for improvement. JLRedperson (talk) 15:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Practice Management Software (Systems)

This article is too narrow. Practice Management Systems also refer to the software used in professional services firms, such as Legal and Accounting Partnerships. The article should therefore be expanded, rather than specifically related to medical practictioners. Basil14 (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Basil14

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject Computing to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 04:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Gosh that HTTP 404 really dominates. That's very amusing, I must look through the list properly. Thanks for that Dmcq (talk) 08:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Thinking about it. That means HTTP 404 is a major portal into Wikipedia. It is still marked as start class though it isn't that. It is probably a good candidate for putting work into making it a featured article. Dmcq (talk) 09:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

It certainly means we should be adjusting many of the |importance= parameters for the {{WikiProject Computing}} banner template. --Tothwolf (talk) 15:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

This it not some kind of bug in the counting? The ratio between the 404 entry and the second entry is huge (3 to >100). I hope the real 404's on Wikipedia are not counted, instead of the encyclopedia entry? --Ysangkok (talk) 20:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Most likely people are searching Google for something that explains what a 404 error is [19] [20] and the first result happens to be Wikipedia's HTTP 404 article. It is certainly a major portal. --Tothwolf (talk) 23:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Microsoft Management Console

According to the MSDN Library's article MMC 2.0 Manages Administration Problems the sentence:

The most prolific MMC is Computer Management,

which occurs at the very beginning of the Common snap-ins section should be transformed into:

The most prolific MMC console is Computer Management,

to distinguish between the Microsoft Management Console (MMC) itself, and a MMC console, i.e., an administrative tool created with the MMC. EleanorRugby (talk) 11:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Why not just stick that in yourself? I can't see people having any problem with it and the talk page of the article is the first place if there was going to be discussion about it. Dmcq (talk) 13:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

In fact it might be an idea to cope wha you said here to the talk page with a more specific title like 'Name is MMC console' so people don't go back to the old version.` Dmcq (talk) 13:24, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Contextual Inquiry page...

Please take a look at the Contextual_inquiry article, which is within the scope of this project. It has numerous issues. 83.243.35.254 (talk) 21:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

JTAG

I added a WP:COMPUTER template to the Talk page for JTAG, since this seems like the appropriate association. Needs some work (what doesn't?) but even with its current issues it seems to be a better overview than I'ves seen anywhere else. 69.226.238.251 (talk) 02:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

AVR32 DMIPS false!

It seems that Dhrystone MIPS of AVR32 are false. According to the following document: www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc32074.pdf Dhrystone are all false!!! they use -O3 option in gcc, stricly forbidden in Dhrystone benchmark (functions inlining)! only -02 option is allowed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.88.166.35 (talk) 16:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Operating system makeover

Operating system is a 67kb (and growing), B-class article structured with many subsections that are each devoted to a notable, production operating system, and the article has recently grown to include two subsections on Chrome. I started a discussion which outlines an approach to improving the article by integrating "product information" into a more appropriate computing article (see the discussion).

I'm not experienced with the computer articles I would need to edit or create. Some target articles are themselves too large. Others don't exist. I have started copying valuable "product information" elsewhere in preparation to make Operating system a WP:Summary style article with a topical structure rather than with any product structure at all.

I need comments: advise on proceeding, encouragement, or help carrying out my plan. — CpiralCpiral 19:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I think the changes proposed are pretty darn good, and I will help what little I suspect I can. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 06:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

We have a:

• List of operating systems
• Comparison of operating systems
• Timeline of operating systems
• List of real-time operating systems
• and lots of articels about al those brands of operating systems

Thus the paragraph Operating system#Examples of operating systems is not needed at all. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 08:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I just learned of the intitle search parameter at Help:searching. The search intitle:operating system presents a surprise. There are hundreds of articles with the words "operating" and "system" in their page name. Some of these will be recipients of the healthy but ill-placed information in the article with the basename "Operating system". — CpiralCpiral 22:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Radar Baby?

Is there any interest in building controllers that incorporate digital signal processors for radar scanning/resolving of Lunar features and much more distant objects (like asteroids) from widely distributed high altitude (weather balloon) cameras? You wouldn't want to try out your microcontrollers without FCC go-ahead, unless you knew ahead of time that you were outside its jurisdiction, so here at Wikipedia it would be more of a thought experiment at first. Two or more weather balloons from wide ranging locations can view the Moon a lot better than just one.

And there are some very inexpensive, high power, micro-sized gyroscopes nowadays. It shouldn't be too daunting a task launching these things into the upper atmosphere, just having to remember that what goes up, must come down.

Hey, I think that would be a lot of fun. Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 20:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Rename article Joo Joo

This article should be renamed Joo Joo in light of the products name change from Crunchpad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.180.38.20 (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

What article? Sephiroth storm (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

It only took 16 reads of the sentence for me to figure out what it was talking about. The article "CrunchPad" has some name-related issues, is all the poster was trying to say. I see the name and the re-direct have already been fixed. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 18:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

A confusing array of buzzword articles needs structure

I'm seeing a lot of "collaboration" and "cooperation" buzzwords appearing as computing articles. Those articles often refer to each other, and need some organization if a newcomer is to make any sense of them.

Talk:Computer supported cooperative work seems to be a place of focus for this WikiProject, since you've placed a header there.

See my list of examples at Talk:Collaborative working environment.

— Wdfarmer (talk) 00:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles up for deletion

Windows Neptune (here) and Windows Odyssey (here) are up for deletion. Comments welcome. _wjemather^bigissue 19:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

RfC on new proposed guideline for software notability

Wikipedia_talk:Essay_on_the_notability_of_software#RfC:_Should_this_notability_essay_be_promoted_to_the_status_of_a_guideline. Pcap ping 18:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

"Open Souce X" -> "Open-source X"

FYI, a whole bunch of rename requests popped up on WP:RM to rename open source to open-source, as happened to the main article open source software (a unilateral move to open-source software, now).

76.66.197.17 (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone who contributes

I would just like to take some time out Thank all the people for doing what you do and making the community what it is im a long time reader and first time poster so i just wanted to say thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.210.73 (talk) 18:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Trying to head-off edit warring

I could use some un-biased editors to have a look at SitNGo Wizard, Poker and Stud poker. User:TonyTheTiger has been warned on the AfD page to disengage from editing the article do to his WP:COI as he was compensated to create the article. There appears to be consensus on that page that the article reads like an advertisement and that it should be deleted - yet TonyTheTiger is making no efforts to improve the article, instead he is reverting all of the good faith edits of other editors over and over and removing tags such as the 'issues' tag while making other edits (and not noting tag removal). He has also been warned not to revert the edits of other editors on that article until the AfD is completed, yet he continues to do so. Unfortunately it appears at this point as if me and him are the only two editors who care enough to make content changes and I do not want to engage in an edit war - so I would appreciate if one or more editors can have a look at [this version] that I would like preserved and the current version TonyTheTiger is insisting upon and decided which is better - or make changes of your own.

Regarding Poker and Stud poker a self-published blog is being used as a citation and I removed it. User:2005 instantly reverted my edits, as User:2005 does with the majority of my edits despite being warned to disengage from edit warring with me. I have just reverted the changes back but I am certain User:2005 will simply change my edits back again with a snide remark immediately. I do not want to take part in an edit war so I would like a ruling from another editor or editors on whether this should be included.

I am not canvassing, I am asking for people to objectively analyze these two articles. Whether you agree with User:2005, User:TonyTheTiger or myself is fine - I just want an outside opinion to avoid an edit war. Thank you DegenFarang (talk) 07:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Putting such a notice aboiut problem articles on a page like this is not canvassing. Asking specific editors who one thinks will agree with one to help with an issue is what canvassing is about. Dmcq (talk) 13:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

FYI - Programmer BLPs that may be axed

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Software#Computer_programmer_BLP_articles_in_danger_of_immediate.2C_no_warning_deletion. There's a similar list at WT:COMPSCI. It's easier to generate similar lists for other areas, let me know if you have trouble. Pcap ping 13:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

All GFDL images are software!

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Categories#All_GFDL_images_are_software.21. Cross-posting here because that WikiProject sees little participation. Pcap ping 19:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Book:Datastructures vs. Book:Data structures

These obviously overlap with one another. Which should be merged into which (or is one completely redundant with the other)? Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 04:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Any advice? Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 16:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, merge, then delete Book:Datastructures, which is less organized and uses a non-standard name. You would have had a quicker turnaround had you asked this at WP:COMPSCI, which is the most closely related sub-WikiProject. Pcap ping 16:33, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Will cross post there. Thanks. Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 16:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Criteria for "Comparison of ..." articles

I've started a RfC on my proposal for dealing with one of these articles, where the discussion has been particularly heated. My proposal is not specific to that kind of software, so hopefully the result of the discussion can be used as a precedent for all similar articles. Please participate at Talk:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients#A way forward. Pcap ping 15:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Spri

Can someone assess the Spri article for quality and importance? 24.241.229.253 (talk) 13:37, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

PS3 internet connection

I'm currently an owner of the ps3 160mb console and love to play socom confrontion the game cost $59.99 and the cold frount add on was $10.00. I'm VERY DISSAPOINTED in your server feed on this,because it take about 10 minutes to load another 10-15 to find a game map to play on and just when I get started playing for awhile I get booted off.Then I have to do the whole process over again and hope the server I was on is still open then hope the map I was playing on is still free for me to connect to.Most of the time NO is the the answer to one or both.After paying for high speed internet,$700.00 for your best system and the $59.00 price most of your new games go for THIS IS UNEACCEPTABLE !! Must find soultion. Socom confrontion is ONLY an online game !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.220.3.112 (talk) 04:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Diskcryptor Article

I recently expanded the Diskcryptor article. Please feel free to review it. Hurricanefloyd (talk) 04:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Probable error in Magnetic Drum article.

In the article on Magnetic Drum Memory the following statement is made:

As late as 1980, PDP-11/45 machines that used drums for swapping (and magnetic core memory) were still in use at many of the original UNIX sites.

I've worked on a lot of pdp-11/45 systems and I have never seen a drum. I don't believe DEC made any drums for the PDP 11 line. I have however seen a lot of RF-11 fixed head disk drives that were used for swapping. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuckhu54 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

www.google.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.237.1.23 (talk) 09:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Computer specialist stub BLPs tagged as having no references

From here:

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• Judith_Donath: Computer_scientist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Kapali_Eswaran: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Kazuyuki_Hoshino: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Keiichiro_Toyama: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Keiko_Erikawa: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Keith_Ballinger: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Keith_Brown_(author): Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Kevin_Hughes_(www): United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Kevin_Lenzo: Computer_scientist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Koji_Igarashi: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Kurt_Westerfeld: United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Lauren_Weinstein_(activist): Computer_specialist_stubs, United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Loïc_Dachary: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Marco_Pesenti_Gritti: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mark_Gorton: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mark_Grand: United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Masaru_Tomita: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Masayuki_Uemura: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mental_Driller: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Michael_Meeks_(software_developer): Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Michael_Sweet_(programmer): Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Michael_Thomas_Ryan: Computer_specialist_stubs, Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Miika_Huttunen: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mike_McShaffry: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mike_O'Brien_(game_developer): Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mike_Robertson_(programmer): European_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Minoru_Akao: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Morten_Byom: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Nikolai_Bezroukov: Computer_scientist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Ondřej_Průša: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Orkut_Büyükkökten: European_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Pantas_Sutardja: United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Patrick_Wyatt: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Peer_Schneider: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Per_Håkan_Sundell: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Peter_Bauer_(computer_specialist): Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Phil_Husbands: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Phillip_Doyce_Hester: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• R_Stockton_Gaines: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Rajendra_M._Patrikar: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Richard_Helm: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Richard_Jozsa: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Rob_Lord_(software_developer): United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Robert_J._Chassell: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Robert_Madge: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Ron_Millar: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Roy_Trubshaw: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Ruth_Aylett: Computer_scientist_stubs, United_Kingdom_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Sampo_Karjalainen: European_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Saul_Needleman: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Scott_Burns_(voice_actor): Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Scott_Lynch: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Sean_Penney: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Shigefumi_Hino: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Shigeharu_Umezaki: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Shouzou_Kaga: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Shun_Nakamura: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Simon_Cozens: Computer_scientist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Simon_Johnson_(security_expert): Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Stephen_J._Mellor: Computer_scientist_stubs, United_Kingdom_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Steve_Ellis_(video_game_designer): Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Steve_Fawkner: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Stuart_Atkinson: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Suneil_Mishra: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Syed_Iftikar: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Takahiro_Izutani: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Takashi_Thomas_Yuda: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Takeshi_Nozue: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Talmadge_Blevins: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tatsumi_Kimishima: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Thom_Henderson: United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Thomas_Binford: United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tim_Riker: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tobias_Bjarneby: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tobias_Gondrom: European_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tom_Hale: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tony_Parisi_(software_developer): Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tryggve_Fossum: European_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Weili_Dai: United_States_computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Werner_Randelshofer: Computer_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• William_Tang_(video_game_author): Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Yasunori_Shiono: Video_game_musician_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Yayoi_Wachi: Video_game_musician_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Yoshiharu_Gotanda: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Yoshihiko_Arai: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Youhei_Shimizu: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Yōichi_Erikawa: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Yōichi_Wada: Video_game_specialist_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Zhaytee: Video_game_musician_stubs; All_unreferenced_BLPs

Regards. Pcap ping 03:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Similar BLP list for business people in IT

From here:

• Andy_Santana: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Bernard_Riley: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Brent_Hoberman: Dot-com_people; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Brian_Schmidt: Microsoft_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Bror-Erik_Wallenius: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Burrell_Smith: Apple_Inc._employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• C._Mohan: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Christian_Luanzon: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Dan_Fortin: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Daniel_A._Reed_(computer_scientist): Microsoft_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• David_Beers: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• David_L._Tennenhouse: Businesspeople_in_information_technology; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Diane_Pozefsky: IBM_Fellows; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Donna_Dubinsky: Apple_Inc._employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Ed_Oates: Oracle_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Eugene_Luskin: Microsoft_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• F._Mark_Modzelewski: Dot-com_people; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• François_Lionet: Amiga_people; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Grete_Faremo: Microsoft_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Jez_San: Amiga_people; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• John_Mashey: SGI_people; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• John_Minarley: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• John_Opel: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• John_Roycroft: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Kay_Cockerill: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Keith_Edelman: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Laura_Massey: Microsoft_employees, Microsoft_evangelists; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Leonard_Bosack: Businesspeople_in_information_technology; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Loren_Toews: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mack_Mattingly: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Manny_Fernandez_(wrestler): People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mighty_Mike_McGee: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Mike_Rouse: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Nicky_Shane: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Ninotchka_Rosca: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Orkut_Büyükkökten: Google_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Pantas_Sutardja: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Patrick_Li: Google_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Paula_A._Nakayama: People_from_San_Jose,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Robert_Hoehl: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Robin_Raina: Businesspeople_in_software; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Rudolf_M._Tromp: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Scott_Isaacs: Microsoft_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Susan_Mernit: Dot-com_people; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Syed_Iftikar: Businesspeople_in_software; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tim_O'Reilly: Dot-com_people; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Tom_Szkutak: Amazon.com_people; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Vincent_Obsitnik: IBM_employees; All_unreferenced_BLPs
• Willie_Howard: People_from_Mountain_View,_California; All_unreferenced_BLPs

Regards, Pcap ping 04:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Only one such bio in Category:Computer hardware engineers:

• Tryggve_Fossum: Computer_hardware_engineers; All_unreferenced_BLPs

Not many bios of those guys in general. Pcap ping 04:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Debugging subroutines and entire programs

Before discussing my thoughts on the above subject, I feel the need to somewhat define myself. I am 88 years old, but was a software engineer for Ford Motor Company from 1966 until 1999, though I acted as a contractor after retirement in 1986. During that time I observed how others debugged their programs, and how I myself debugged programs which I myself had created or altered.

Most people seem to wait to debug their programs until all subroutines are available, then embark on the task when the possible routes through the total program entail a huge number. The result is that testing takes a long time, also the program is released for production when every kind of data that the programmer can conceive of yields no failure. Inevitably, the program user uses data that finds an error mode, and the error must be corrected by the original programmer or someone else when he has already left the scene. Debugging after the program has been released for production is a costly and time consuming process.

In contrast to the above, I offer the debugging method which I used with considerable success: When I had finished a subroutine, and while I was very familiar with its content and logic, I would create a dummy main routine that could test all the logical paths. When this test produced the expected result with no failures,I could consider the subroutine debugged. Then I could proceed with programming the next subroutine. While this method of debugging subroutines by themselves takes a little longer to arrive at the point in time when all the required components of a program can be said to be 'completed', little or no time must be expended on further time consuming debugging.

A further note is appropriate here: Programs must often be altered to comply with uses not thought of at the time of the original programming and sometimes long after the original programmer has moved to a different position with the same employer, or some other one. Hence, the importance of documentation cannot be over emphasized. A new programmer can rather quickly find his way through the program is a liberal number of comment lines in the program text indicate what is happening and why.Rwsevakis (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

RWSevakis

X11 WMs up for deletion

FYI, a bunch of X/11 Window Managers have been sent for deletion via AfD, see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2010_February_21

70.29.210.242 (talk) 10:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:CNC, CAD, and CAM

FYI, Category:CNC, CAD, and CAM has been nominated for renaming. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

IEEE

FYI, several IEEE categories have been nominated for renaming, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 23. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 06:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:FORTRAN programming language family

Category:FORTRAN programming language family has been nominated for renaming. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 06:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Please review my 'Mobility-as-a-Service' article

Hello!Can someone please review my article 'Mobility-as-a-Service'? Looking forward to suggestions on my article. PCJain (talk) 10:15, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

X-ray lithography

FYI, X-ray lithography is seriously messed up, and the current version is not an article but a message saying you should learn another language and read it off another language Wikipedia.

There was actual content on this page last year.

70.29.210.242 (talk) 11:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Source code vs pseudocode

Please, see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (mathematics)#Source code and pseudocode -- very important for future computing articles development -- a consensus needs to be reached.--Tim32 (talk) 14:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

How the layers are implemented in communication networks...i mean r they belongs to the catagory of software or hardware? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.146.194 (talk) 14:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Cognitive dimensions of notations

The topic Cognitive dimensions of notations desperately needs some more explanation for each of the cognitive dimensions listed. In particular, how are each of the dimensions measured? How does one measure levels of abstraction? closeness of notation to the problem world? ability to guess the rest of the notation? etc.

Vladimir G. Ivanovic 14:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgivanovic (talk • contribs)

FAR

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Package Repository & Development Process

What can people tell me about software package development processes and repositories?

I've come to value greatly the package development process for R (www.r-project.org). This involves simultaneous development of documentation and unit tests with code. I've looked for similar things with other languages without success. Part of the problem may be that I don't know the search terms to use. I have not looked extensively, but I have looked some, and I have yet to find anything comparable for other languages. The closest I've found is repositories similar to CRAN (http://cran.r-project.org), e.g, CPAN for Perl.

I plan to start a table to the "software repositories" article, listing CPAN for Perl and CRAN for R. Then I plan to contact others and invite them to add what they know.

I also think it would be appropriate to create a similar article with a title something like "software package development process" to describe co-development of code, unit tests and documentation. There are also some systems that compute statistics for percent coverage by unit tests that should be mentioned. However, I don't know enough about that.

DavidMCEddy (talk) 02:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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• Book:Technology (problems)
• Book:Virtualization (problems)
• Book:Web development- Client side technologies (problems)

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Organization of topics

In the beginning, the project states its scope. However, I couldn't see a consistent logic in organizing the topics. Computer programming is about developing software. Networking, server and database are both hardware and software. Operating system is a special type of software. The Internet is a special network. Besides, where should we put topics such as development and testing methodologies? I would like to suggest the following grouping:

1. History and Science
   1. History of Computing Science
   2. Computing Algorithms
2. Computer Components
   1. Hardware
   2. Software
   3. Firmwares
   4. Operating Systems
   5. Database
   6. Networks
3. Software Development
   1. Software Architecture
   2. Development Methodologies, Techniques & Tools
4. Software Quality
   1. Software Quality Models
   2. Quality Assurance Methodologies, Techniques & Tools
5. Computing Standards

This basically groups the topics into 5 main sections, i.e. history and science, computer components, software development, software quality and computing standards.

1. "History of Computing Science" should focus on the historical information of computing science.
2. "Computing Algorithms" should focus on the scientific or technologies information related to computing. For example, sort and search algorithm, parallel programming, etc.
3. "Hardware" should focus on information of computer equipments or related equipments. For example, mainframe, desktop computer, printer, storage devices and media, CPU, etc.
4. "Software" should focus on information of software products or application, programming languages. For example, COBOL, FORTRAN, C, C++, Java, Perl, ETL, CRM, etc.
5. "Firmwares" should focus on computer firmwares. For example, chipset, bios, etc.
6. "Operating Systems" should focus on various type of operating system. For example, DOS, Windows XP, MacOS, Linux, Unix, Solaris, etc.
7. "Database" should focus on information of database types and products. For example, network type, hierarchical type, relational type, Oracle, Access, etc.
8. "Networks" should focus on information of computer networks. For example, networking topologies, intranet and Internet, etc.
9. "Software Architecture" should focus on information of software architecture. For example, centralized, distributed, client server, web services, services oriented, etc.
10. "Development Methodologies, Techniques & Tools" should focus on information of software development methodologies, techniques and tools. For example, waterfall, agile development, prototyping, integrated development environment (IDE), etc.
11. "Software Quality Models" should focus on information of quality aspect and software quality models. For example, quality model in ISO standard 9126.
12. "Quality Assurance Methodologies, Technologies & Tools" should focus on information of quality assurance methodologies, techniques and tools. For example, V and W Models, requirements and configuration management, Full Lifecycle Testing Methodology, etc.
13. "Computing Standards" should focus on information of standards and frameworks. For example, ISO, CMM, ITIL, IEEE, etc.

Francis Law (talk) 21:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Missing computer topics

I've separated the list of missing computer subjects to their own page - Skysmith (talk) 11:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I've added a discussion section advocating reinstatement of the article "Software Component". Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Component-based_software_engineering#Software_Component

I would like to write it up. Please advise how to proceed.

Old merge proposal

Hello all, I'm ploughing through Category:Articles to be merged from November 2007 and there are a number of outstanding merges discussed here. Could somebody please decide if these proposals are valid, and either do the merges or remove the merge tags? Thank you. Totnesmartin (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)