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Atlanta Braves nomination

I nominated Atlanta Braves back in February and an editor picked it up for review today. Forgive me if this is the wrong venue, but the editor reviewing appears to be inexperienced in this area and could use some help. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 18:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I sadly do not have time to review an article of such length but that looks like a drive by review to me. Someone should re-review the article again, considering that the reviewer already promoted it to GA. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone remove the botched review? I realize it's a large article and it's already been waiting several months. This attempt it just a waste of time and it's clear the person who is attempting to review the article lacks the experience to do it correctly. Nemov (talk) 03:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW this article is now a good article. I'm not sure there was much of a review. I gotta admit this has been a discouraging experience. I paid for a newspaper archive membership to add a lot of citations. Then I nominated the article in February. After a long wait it doesn't seem like this process was worth it. Nemov (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There was no review. I will request G6 deletion of Paytonisboss's mucking around and put the article back into the queue. Sorry about this disruption. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Extraordinary Writ:, this should be a standard increment to /GA2. I've not seen a /GA0 before, I'm not sure what interactions that might have with tools and scripts. CMD (talk) 01:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  This was the end result here, but you're probably right—I'll move it back. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Oh, I didn't know about that. That feels almost like deletion through obscurity, it'll never be linked. CMD (talk) 10:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Pentagonal pyramid/GA1

Is WP:ORES considered part of WP:GACR? I mean, the WP:GACR states the six criteria involving the prose, sources, images, section arrangement, neutrality, and stability. But ORES is nothing but a tool to provide the descriptions of measuring how high the article's quality is. While WP:GACR does not says explicitly about the tool, can someone enlighten me in this case? Dedhert.Jr (talk) 01:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ORES is not related to the GACR. They are evaluated by the reviewer. It can be helpful in rating articles but when you get into peer review processes like GA and FA it isn't relevant. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... Do reviewers consider ORES as an optional tool? Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, because it is completely optional and, as Sawyer said below, has nothing to do with evaluating the article based on the GACR. I'd go so far as to say an evaluation with ORES shouldn't be part of a GA review for that reason, although that's my personal opinion and there's nothing forbidding it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dedhert.Jr Yeah, ORES also seems to evaluate articles based on length. For example, Si Ronda and How Brown Saw the Baseball Game are both short Featured Articles. They seem fine, but ORES gives them both a C rating.[1][2] This kind of makes sense if it's just looking for patterns (C-rated articles are often short and FA-rated often long) but length is not in either criteria, and it's probably not a desired metric. Idk if there are other issues, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This simply means that ORES does not observe the quality of the article as in the comprehensiveness and broadness coverage, but instead counts how many bytes, words, sentences, paragraphs, and other super long texts might not expected like other FAs or GAs. Anecdotally, I assume a quote of "do not use ORES while reviewing". Lesson learned. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ORES has nothing to do with the GACR and it is absolutely not "the bigger problem" (compared to sourcing issues) as @Randomstaplers says. i have an ORES script installed, but i put about as much faith into it as i put in my roommates' dish-washing abilities. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 02:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair. I've noticed after using this tool it tends to be biased articles that rely on print sources, but TBH, it's not helping my hesitancy.⸺(Random)staplers 02:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This obsession with ORES has got to stop. The only thing it knows is what articles look similar. Everything else is guesswork. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but why do anything yourself when you can feed it to an algorithm and hope for the best? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nomination of a article

So I want to nomination princess Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha I recently just made bunch of improvements of sourcing addition to references I want to edit this page so some can review and I can get it nomination and pass and make it good article so I need permission to edit this page so I can get put nomination for Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha Qubacubazamniauser (talk) 03:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Qubacubazamniauser, follow the instructions at WP:GAN/I and a reviewer can pick this up when they are ready :) Before you do, there are quite a few broken references which you should fix; you can see these by installing User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 04:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok gotta fix new error just popped up Qubacubazamniauser (talk) 06:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I just fixed error now there is new one saying lead to short not onrgirzed wil the reviewer fix it or should I ? Qubacubazamniauser (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, you should resolve any cleanup banners (like this one) before nominating an article. Nub098765 (talk) 02:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KKKKKKK i will try Qubacubazamniauser (talk) 03:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article review circles

Hello, I thought I should give an update on good article review circles which has so far fostered approximately 48 good article reviews.

I feel the project has moved past any teething issues and is now working quite well, however in recent months the number of nominations being submitted to the project has plummeted.

If you have an article you needs to be reviewed and are also willing to review someone else's article, please consider participating so we can get more circles running more often. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. If editors' aren't fussy and are willing to do a review, they can always put in someone elses' nom if they don't have one.

Just means that the items in the circle don't get removed for being under review, which means they were reviewed without getting an extra review (your review is then worth two for the backlog). Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 21:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you explain the bit after "which means that" please? Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chiswick Chap Sure, sorry it reads confusingly. GARC's purpose is to get more reviews to take place. This works by participants agreeing to review an article in exchange for theirs being reviewed. However, if someone outside the pool starts reviewing something in the pool, the nominator of that article no longer is obligated to do a review. So we've lost an extra review. Pools taking longer to fill up makes this more likely to happen. However, if you put an article in the pool it fills up faster and it makes it less likely we lose an extra review. In the case where you prevent one from dropping out, the review you committed to has now ensured a second review will take place. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for explaining. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps we should advertise the review circles more clearly on the main nominations page? Looking through the main WP:GA pages, review circles are only mentioned in an easily-skimmed-over part of the Instructions page. We could probably do more to draw nominators' and reviewers' attentions towards it. --Grnrchst (talk) 21:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had the exact same thought. With GAN, I come and go. So I must have missed this inititive when it was launched - I can't be the only one. When I joined in the October GAN drive, I didn't read the instructions page. Because I assumed it had stayed the same, and I remebered all the important info. Likewise, if and when I nominate an article, I am not going to read the instructions page either. I only know about the review circles because of this thread. If I'm being radical and bold, I almost think it would be worth sending a message on user talk pages when a someone puts in their first nomination/first nomination for a while, with the line from the instruction page: "Consider reviewing two nominations for each one that you nominate or joining a review circle." with some sort of breakdown of the current expected wait time (like {{AfC category navbar}}) to help promote this. As the #Atlanta Braves nomination thread above points out. The wait alone is quite off putting. SSSB (talk) 22:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it okay if I nominate an article for GA that I had previously nominated for deletion?

For context, while participating in the 2024 November Unreferenced Articles Drive, I nominated the article for Quiver (video game) for deletion on November 2. After additional reviews were found that led to a clear consensus for keeping the article, I withdrew and closed the nomination on November 7. However, while the nomination was still ongoing, I used the reviews found to expand the article, essentially to get a good sense of what an article for the game would like given the sources.

Since the article was kept and I expanded the article significantly as best as I could, I am actually considering nominating it for GA. Is that okay, or would it be misguided? Lazman321 (talk) 19:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perfectly fine. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, nominated Lazman321 (talk) 23:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know of one case where someone nominated an article for deletion and eventually got it promoted to featured article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Onto the WP:Deletion to quality list it goes! TompaDompa (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What to do about reviews opened by blocked users?

Hey all. Today, a user who had opened a review for one of my nominations was indefinitely blocked for disruptive editing. The review page is now empty, with no comments. This is unfortunate, as I've been waiting for a review on this since April, but I notice this user was also concurrently reviewing 3 other GA nominations (technical geography, black holes in fiction and Patricia Bullrich), so I assume those will not be completed either.

What can be done in these cases? I assume the reviews can't be marked as finished in many cases, but does this mean nominators will have to go back to square one and join the back of the queue? --Grnrchst (talk) 09:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The review of Anarchism without adjectives hasn't been edited at all so I think if you request speedy deletion as G6 it will keep its place in the queue? (cf. WP:GAN/I#N4a). For the others, probably the easiest thing would be for someone else who is interested to take over the review; if there isn't anyone who would be willing I don't know if there's a way of closing the review while retaining the nomination's place in the queue. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GeogSage, TompaDompa, and Cambalachero: Courtesy ping. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Caeciliusinhorto-public: I've had the review page speedily deleted, thanks for the help! --Grnrchst (talk) 10:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I almost hesitate to say this since I suppose it could be abused, but the date of nomination is taken from the parameters in the template on the talk page, not from the timestamp when the template was added. That means you can fail a nomination and create a new one and have it retain its place in the queue. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have done just that for my nomination (Talk:Black holes in fiction/GA2). TompaDompa (talk) 16:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Technical geography/GA1 seems to have had some work, but it's almost a month since the nominator was pinged so it may be close to being wrapped up as resubmit when fixes are made.
Talk:Black holes in fiction/GA2 has had almost no review, pending no objections the best thing to do there is increment for a new reviewer.
Talk:Patricia Bullrich/GA1 is a bit trickier, has had some review, but it is incomplete including there being no spot checks.
CMD (talk) 10:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the situation, and have no rush. The article of Patricia Bullrich may be closed as failed and then nominated again, I'll just wait for a new reviewer to show up. Cambalachero (talk) 15:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, done. CMD (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was working on finishing technical geography up. I nominated it, and the reviewer took some time to get back to me due to life things. By the time the got back, I was defending my dissertation, starting a new job so a bit busy. I had set aside time this week to finish. This block is shocking to me honestly, the user was pretty upstanding and involved in a number of projects from what I've seen. I'm not sure what happened, and so suddenly at that. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update. At the very least, once you have fixed up the sources and page numbers, someone else is needed to carry out a spot check. CMD (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominations

I suggest that The Blue Rider's nominations simply be removed, i.e. the articles unnominated. These are:

Talk:Elephant Rock (Iceland), 2 November 2024
Talk:Mordechai Schlein. 28 October 2024
Talk:Tamara Bunke, 9 November 2024
Talk:Tamara (given name), 14 October 2024
Talk:Fiona, 22 October 2024
Talk:José Vicente Barbosa du Bocage, 10 November 2024

—Alalch E. 22:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All six nominations have been removed. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Missing" GA review

For Haymarket affair? I guess it should be here, but... if anyone can find it, it'll be appreciated. SerialNumber54129 16:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Haymarket affair/Archive 1#Good article nomination on hold. This is Jan 2008, so possibly before the GA nomination process was as well-defined as it is today? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much, Caeciliusinhorto, that's helpful. Yes, I suppose back then it wasn't transcluded from a separate page? Cheers, SerialNumber54129 17:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

January 2025 drive theme

I'd like to put forward a theme for the January 2025 GAN review backlog drive (courtesy link for when the page is created): to focus on GA nominations by nominators who have a certain minimum review-to-GA ratio.

Step 2-4 (optional) of the nomination instructions says Consider reviewing two nominations for each one that you nominate, so a 2:1 ratio seems about right.

This assuming it isn't too much of a headache to put together a list of qualifying articles. I feel that it'd be nice to give a nod to those who have maintained a high ratio and maybe remind others of that optional step to encourage more reviewing. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the idea of the January drive, as part of the thrice-yearly schedule, is to have no theme and to focus on all nominations. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Informal discussion

An informal discussion, a "Before opening a reassessment", has been initiated at Talk:Dylan Thomas#Article issues and classification. -- Otr500 (talk) 14:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]