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Request to use STiki

I know this is a bit of a long shot, but I would like to give STiki a try, and would like to use the tool to help me fight vandalism. I currently have 338 mainspace edits. I have no issue with waiting until I reach 1000 edits, but I thought I might ask anyways. Cheers! --allthefoxes (Talk) 01:31, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello Allthefoxes, You can always ask. But in my (our?) humble opinion it is better to stick to the 1000-rule. Not because it is a rule, but because it is a precaution against misuse. Nothing personal of course. Do come back when you approach the limit. And in the meantime use Twinkle and enroll in the AV-school. Super48paul (talk) 05:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

ClockC @Allthefoxes: @Super48paul: I'll note that I am often keen to approve users with far less than 1000 main NS edits. That is a blanket sanity check the larger community agreed to a long time ago for our tool (including some stakeholders who were/are not STiki users). One could go get AWB access after 250 edits and use that to make trivial changes to get up to 1000 in no time at all. Possessing 1000+ namespace edits is absolutely no evidence that one knows how to identify and mitigate vandalism. Unlike a raw count, one can demonstrate experience by patrolling and participating in initiatives like CVU, while maintaining a talk page free of complaint (from non-vandals). This is the evidence I consider with special requests. I'd like to see 'allthefoxes' get through WP:CVUA before I approve only his/her account only because he/she is so new, but this is the type of enthusiasm I want to have on board. I've had to ask <= 3 STiki users to slow down or stop using the tool in its history. Compare this to the many-many-thousands of reverts done by users who I let in under special permission. STiki's queue has been running at a hit-rate near 50% lately, implying the current labor force isn't sufficient. This is not a criticism of Super48paul , just my approach; I do appreciate those established community members who can provide a recommendation on how to handle these permission requests. West.andrew.g (talk) 18:07, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: - Thanks, I'll look into CVUA. As a side note, I do agree in general that raw content in general does not alone make a good system. In just the time its taken you to reply, I've reached 450 mainspace edits. --allthefoxes (Talk) 18:15, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: - I don't know if CUVA will really work. Only one instructor is in my timezone (or anywhere even close to me), and they have no open slots. I tried contacting another instructor, but it didn't work out. I will just ford out some more edits for now. Cheers. --allthefoxes (Talk) 01:32, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 Done -- @Allthefoxes: You've made a good faith effort here and I don't see the sense in holding you back. At the rate you are going, you'll have those 1000 edits in a couple of days, regardless. I've approved your account. Good luck, be careful, and happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I currently have 3,411 edits and I would like to give STiki a try. I have been fighting vandalism for quite some time (as seen on my contributions page) and I would like to use this tool to significantly help me in continuing to fight vandalism. If my account is not yet eligible for permission/usage of STiki, then I would really like to be informed on what I can do to become qualified for STiki. Thanks! EnRouteAviation (talk) 06:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done -- @EnRouteAviation: As you have 1000+ article-space edits, you automatically have permission. Happy reverting! West.andrew.g (talk) 01:25, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

STiki down?

Around here, STiki seems to be down and out. Exactly at Xmas time.. Anyone else?! Super48paul (talk) 08:11, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

It's working fine for me. I just opened it and reverted some edits. Melonkelon (talk) 08:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Yep! It got back to life. Must have been out for a short while only.Super48paul (talk) 09:46, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Monitoring systems indicated no downtime. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:56, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Feature Request: Pass notes

Just was thinking today, it would be nice if, when we hit "pass", we could leave a note for the next editor to see it. I don't use the button very often, but when I do, its usually just that I don't feel 100% comfortable making the action, or need someone who might know a bit more about the subject to make the call. --allthefoxes (Talk) 17:34, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

While you might want to leave a note, I question if the average STiki user would take the time to read it. Moreover, what would a note say besides "this is a borderline edit, I can't verify this fact to determine if it is vandalism". Isn't that the implicit meaning of all "pass" actions? West.andrew.g (talk) 16:13, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Small issue with STiki using the Cluebot-NG rev. queue

Not sure if this is the right place to report this (as it is using Cluebot's revision queue), but I just thought I would let the STiki managers know. Template:Long comment is showing up a lot on my STiki client, although it is being used in a perfectly acceptable way and I haven't seen it being used inappropriately. Is this an issue with Cluebot's ANN scoring or STiki? -Liancetalk/contribs 02:19, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Are bots exempted from review? I wonder if it's because these are being done en masse by a user and not through WP:BRFA. Qzd (talk) 04:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
The STiki backend consumes ClueBot_NG's ANN scores verbatim, but I do filter such that edits performed by bots are not enqueued. I'll assume this is work being done by an individual editor? It's not uncommon to find that an editor who mass adds/deletes content on a lot of pages very quickly will find themselves under scrutiny from anti-vandalism algorithms -- and therefore getting their edits popped repeatedly from the STiki queue. Consider: (1) quick addition of content across many pages is an atypical editing pattern, (2) given the number of pages involved, some of these changes might get reverted by persons trying to exercise ownership of a page or because they feel the issue wasn't discussed on the talk page. Someone who is adding a lot of content and incurring a multiple reverts in short duration is a pretty suspicious signature. That said, I understand why this is a pain to tool users. I've imagined a "temporary ignore" function that one could level against a particular editor, but a clean implementation has never really coalesced in my mind. How often do people encounter this? Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 06:50, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
This comes up from time to time. Liance is talking about Dcirovic (talk · contribs), whose edits fill up the Cluebot (and hence Stiki) queue. Yes, other anti-vandalism tools have a button to ignore edits by selected ("this") user/IP, but I imagine there are other solutions too. Materialscientist (talk) 07:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
This feature request has been recorded for tracking as T#053. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 01:34, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Issue using STiki

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After I try to login using STiki, I get an error message saying there's an error in the user login interface, likely caused by a network error, and that there was an exception thrown to terminate the thread. Anyone know how to fix this? The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 19:53, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

STiki communicates with its backend server using MySQL (port 3306, I think). Some firewalls (particularly corporate, but also educational) will block this outgoing port by default. It could also be a rule specific to your local firewall. That is the most common reason for this message. West.andrew.g (talk) 21:07, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Two of the criteria for using STiki is either rollback permission or 1000 main space edits. You have currently 726 main space edits (Automated edits 456 (63%) Non-automated edits 270 (37%)). You have applied at WP:PERM/R for rollback 3 times the last few weeks. The latest decline (Diff of Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback) mentioned concerns about your reverts, and asked you to complete your CVUA training, followed by at least two full months of active counter-vandalism before requesting rollback again. - Sam Sailor Talk! 23:11, 7 December 2015 (UTC) P.S. Stiki works fine for me.
  • Double-checked and the username is entered correctly into the explicit permissions table (although I will assume good faith with respect to the fact that might have been a bit premature, given the evidence above). Can you try running STiki from a terminal and seeing what type of exceptions get printed there? West.andrew.g (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Windows calls the "terminal" the "command prompt", I think. I am not sure how much that output is going to help though. Even though this a home network there is the possibility that your router or ISP is blocking the port upstream. What does [1] tell you? Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 00:27, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 17:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

@CatcherStorm: I'm pretty perplexed here to be honest. Your browser can reach [2] (its a redirect to my personal page)? That is the server where STiki lives, but it does not respond to terminal pings for security reasons. Next step is that I'll dig into server network logs, though its unclear if your request is even making it this far. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 19:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm having this issue also. I've used STiki for years, not sure why it's happening now. Orphan Wiki 00:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
@CatcherStorm: I saw on the "milestones" page that you were able to use the tool. What worked? West.andrew.g (talk) 03:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: I used another computer at the library, but now I'm stuck with my other laptop which still isn't working with STiki. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 04:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Well that certainly indicates it is something with the home network or the laptop (duh!). You are able to visit the website I linked just above? West.andrew.g (talk) 17:44, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
*@West.andrew.g: Yes, I can reach your page using my laptop. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 02:30, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm gonna throw this open to the community; any ideas out there? I could spin up a dead simple program that just connects to the STiki server and then disconnects, but I don't think that Java's error handling is going to be able to give us much insight as to what is happening along the network path. I'm gaining confidence this is a firewall issue somewhere along the way. Anyone got ideas on how to pinpoint where? West.andrew.g (talk) 04:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • @West.andrew.g: If it helps, I've also been running the computer in safemode. However I've edited the registries so that most of the services are running even whilst in safe mode, but STiki still doesn't work. If STiki needs one or more Windows Services to be running, please tell me which ones so I can turn them on. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 21:46, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
@CatcherStorm: I haven't touched a Windows box in years, so I can't comment, but I find it unlikely. Most online sources also suspect firewall issues, i.e., [3]. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 22:12, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: So I turned my firewall on but added port 3306. I tried logging in with no luck, so I proceeded to just turn my firewall off and tried logging in with the same result. If port 3306 weren't open for me, I wouldn't even be able to get into the program. I can open STiki and the login screen will open, I just won't be able to login. When I try using STiki at school, because port 3306 isn't open, I won't even be able to open STiki itself to try logging in. So my port's open.. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 22:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
@CatcherStorm: Does an edit show up in the diff-window? I realize you can't classify it because you aren't logged in, but does the diff text appear? Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: The diff-window is blank. After I try logging in, the error window says it's a problem with the login panel. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 22:36, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
@CatcherStorm: Even if you let it sit for, say, 5 minutes without attempting to login, does the diff-window ever populate? West.andrew.g (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: Yeah it doesn't look like it's populating. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with my computer because I was able to get my hands on a laptop temporarily and it worked fine. Thing is I can't use the laptop I'm on right now (a Win7 Thinkpad) forever, so I need a solution to this. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 00:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@CatcherStorm: For clarity, you have a laptop that works on your network, whereas your primary computer does not work on the same network? West.andrew.g (talk) 01:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: Yes, that's correct. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 01:10, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@CatcherStorm: Relatively recent version of Java installed? What OS? Is an anti-virus running? West.andrew.g (talk) 01:59, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: For the working laptop, Java is up to date and it's running Windows 7, and no antivirus is running. For the non-working laptop, Java is up to date, it's running Windows Vista in safe mode, and no anti-virus is running. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 02:02, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@CatcherStorm: The fact you throw out "safe mode" here is an obvious red flag. Why "safe mode"? Presumably "safe mode w/networking"? I can't find this exact problem in online forums, but I get the general sense that MySQL and safe mode do not play nice. It's hard to tell what services might be disabled or why MySQL doesn't work, but I suggest you do some digging along these lines. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:02, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: Yeah I was assuming it was safe mode. Yes I'm running safe mode with networking, because the laptop I'm using can hardly operate in normal mode. It looks like safe mode isn't affecting my ability to use STiki at all, which is very perplexing. The port's open, doesn't look like STiki needs any services either.The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 04:00, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
I've tried to be as much help as possible here, but as we've determined this is not a network problem, nor am I a Windows expert -- this is probably something best troubleshot locally and maybe with the help of some more focused Internet forums. I do wish you the best of luck in getting everything working. West.andrew.g (talk) 01:17, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: There aren't many online forum threads with solutions on how to fix issues with a program like STiki from working. Could you link me to a few threads that you've found? CatcherStorm talk 08:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
{@CatcherStorm: STiki is pretty unremarkable as a program aside from the fact it communicates over MySQL (port 3306). With very high probability I believe this to be the issue. Outside of this, the external communications are basically just HTTPS ones to WMF servers (akin to using Wikipedia in a browser). If I find the cycles this holiday I'll try to write you a test program that tests your connection in the most basic terms. If you want to dig around until then, I would look for people who have difficulty getting MySQL applications (clients; not servers) running on Window's boxes. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: Alright, let me know when you've written it. CatcherStorm talk 09:52, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
With real life considerations, this could be quite a while. We've determined that STiki can run on your network, and the problem is specific to a particular machine of yours. My perspective across the network is not the best to troubleshoot this. West.andrew.g (talk) 01:38, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

STiki Freezes

After every time I click one of the choice buttons on the left side, it freezes for three seconds and then skips one of the possible vandalism changes. Any fixes? Also, if you need some of my PC information feel free to ask me. Dat GuyTalkContribs 12:22, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Have you experienced this for the entirety of your STiki use or is it a recent development? Anyone else have similar experiences? West.andrew.g (talk) 01:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: I have it for the entirety of the week that I've been using it. The first one is usually frozen for about 4 seconds, but then it freezes for about a second and a half after I've clicked it. I am using the Cluebot rev. Dat GuyTalkContribs 09:13, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Queue depletion or reboot needed?

Andrew, I'm getting lots of 80-90-100+ days old edits no matter which rev queue I use, would you look into it, please. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 19:07, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this has been happening to me in the past few hours. All was fine yesterday. -_Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:14, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
When I used it yesterday I was getting old edits, like 40+ days old, but I'm getting edits made a couple of minutes ago now. Melonkelon (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm getting those stale edits in between the few recent revisions, just as I returned from a week-long Wikibreak. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 01:28, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Till Yesterday, I was getting a few recent edits in the midst of a bunch of stale ones. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:41, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done -- I've restarted the backend processor a couple of times in the last few days. CBNG, or at least the listener I attach to it, has been up and down recently. I suspect this is to blame. Let me know if things aren't back to normal shortly. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, the stale, old edits are gone, but I'm not receiving edits below the 2 hour mark on the CBNG queue (I am getting them on the STiki metadata). lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 01:01, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
The CBNG feed is experiencing continued problems, and I am restarting our listener when my reports indicate as much. Not sure what is happening on the CBNG side, but I'll switch the default queue onto STiki metadata if the problems continue much longer, as I about to depart on travel for the holiday weekend. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 01:23, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Apparently now the old edits are back. On both queues. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 02:52, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Keep monitoring, I am showing edit intake and queue updates, but one or two simultaneous STiki users could be sufficient to keep the top of the queues empty of the very recent and highly-probably stuff. West.andrew.g (talk) 04:19, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Fired up STiki again this morning, and it seems that the stale edits on the STiki queue start popping up after several minutes of classification. CBNG showing up stale edits from the get-go. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 01:56, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
My diff window isn't populating at all anymore and I'm getting year-old edits as well. CatcherStorm talk 17:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done -- I highly suspect that problems observed in the hours/day(s) immediately following the new year were related to the production of my year-end reports like User:West.andrew.g/2015_Popular_pages. Those are humongous SQL joins that clog database connections. My reports have looked healthy for a few days since, and I've restarted again out of an abundance of caution. Higher than typical hit-rates also indicate the queues are clearly working for -someone-. However, please notify me if things appear amiss. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Prognosis thus far: everything's fine and dandy, some hour-old edits, but otherwise no major qualms about the CBNG queue. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 00:31, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
...........aaaand the CBNG seems to pop up those stale edits again, though nothing beyond the 10-day range so far. STiki metadata doing a bit better, with better hit rates. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 00:13, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
And now the stale edits seem to be back. It might have something to do with the MW software. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 00:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with seeing an edit 10 days old, so long as it has a higher vandalism probability than newer edits that are going through processing. Even with these complaints of stale edits, the hit rates are typically -- if not atypically -- high recently. This speaks to business as usual. It could simply be the case that 10 days ago (Christmas?) that a bunch of vandals were using their new technology to vandalize while patrollers were doing non-patroller things? Now the Huggler's are back on the their game and we are left with that rich(-er) backlog. I can watch the queue in real time, and while I see nothing wrong, I'll see if I can't fire up STiki myself tonight to make sure everything is okay through the interface. Thanks, 02:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, just after I reported about the 1-4 day old edits, I started getting 50-100+ day old edits again. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 15:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

STiki execution problem

Hi, when I downloaded the file & run it. I got Error:Backened connection is required" followed by Unable to connect to the STiki Back-end: This is likely the result of one of four things : 1-you are connected to the internet, 2-Port 3306 is not open(MYSQL), due to a firewall or your network's admin settings, 3-The STiki server is down. Check WP:STiki, 4-A required software upgrade has been issued, this version. See WP:STiki. What should I do ? Please help. Thanks Peppy Paneer (talk) 18:17, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

@Peppy Paneer: Most likely issue is #2. Are you using a home network, or one at a school/business? The latter have a habit of having more restrictive firewall rules. Are you able to try using STiki on a different network? Does this resolve the problem? Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 19:12, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: Hi, yes I am using school network. Earlier at home during vacations, I was able to edit using a home network thru huggle. But huggle too doesn't work when using school network. So, I thought of shifting to STiki. I haven't tried STiki on different network. One more possibility I could thought of that I have around 830 article space edits (requirement for STiki is 1000) though I have Rollback rights. Could you assure that is not the case ? As 80% of the time I am reverting vandalism only and with the tool I will be able to do it more efficiently , could you tell me the go ahead in this case ? Thanks Peppy Paneer (talk) 06:30, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
@Peppy Paneer: The error message you report is unrelated to login criteria, it is strictly a network check. If you have "rollback" permission you have automatic approval to use the tool (which you do). This is a common issue with institutional firewalls. You might be able to talk to a network administrator who could whitelist that particular port for your account/IP? Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 06:37, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: Ok then, I will see if I can talk with them for opening port 3306 as mentioned in the error report. Thank you Peppy Paneer (talk) 06:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Weird glitch

Hello there! I've started using STiki a short while ago, and encountered my first glitch today. While this edit came up for Norfolk dialect, my interface started shaking uncontrollably. I managed to press Pass, and when pressing BACK the shaking started all over again. Any thoughts? Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 00:46, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Odd. The article's history does not record any editing by you. [4] I have just made the revision. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:56, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I managed to click Pass given it was impossible to read the changes made in detail, hence no actual edit was made. It was indeed very bizarre...something to do with Java on my end perhaps? Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Having clicked Pass or Innocent, you do know that you can return to the same previous STiki display by clicking on BACK, don't you? — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:58, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I assume you didn't read my original post above. I clicked Pass, then BACK, and the problem was still there. It only happened in that instance. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 19:02, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Unless this happens again, we should treat as an isolated incident and move on. Was the entire window shaking, or the contents internal to the window? If the former it could be a weird OS issue. If the latter, it would be possible to imagine some weird condition causing my panel resizing code to go haywire -- but nothing looked particularly unusual about the diff in question. I pulled up the diff in my offline editor and experienced no ill effects. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah it was just contents inside the STiki window. No worries. Thanks! FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 21:30, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I had read and noted that, FoCuS, and should add that my last post above was meant more as a public informmation advice for newer STiki users. All the best! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

STiki request as 131 edits

Hey there, my name is David Isaac C. M. I want to help fight the vandalism in Wikipedia. I only have 131 edits and I need to keep eye-tracked on their articles.

Thanks! David Isaac C. M. (talk) 09:39, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi David Isaac C. M.. You look like a valuable editor with a keen interest in a particular topic area - why not build up a watchlist including the articles in this topic area so you can easily monitor changes to them? Or if you wish to move on to do more general counter-vandalism work, I'd say read the policy page and the pages linked from there, and do some Recent changes patrolling to build up experience so that Andrew will be happy to give you access to STiki. In dealing with vandals try not to use edit summaries like this whatever the provocation: Noyster (talk), 11:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
So, I have been editing the mobile-related articles, Google Play article, TV channel article, and so on. I worked very hard to make the article constructive and good looking. Is that alright? If so, please let me know. Thanks! David Isaac C. M. (talk) 11:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Your updates and corrections to smartphone articles look fine to me, not that I'm any expert; but STiki wouldn't help you maintain these articles specifically. STiki identifies recent potentially problem edits to any article on any topic, and the tool is normally granted to those with a good deal of experience in general counter-vandalism. Bowing out now in case someone else has a view: Noyster (talk), 12:25, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Just in case, if unregistered users vandalise the smartphone articles, including the pages that I created, is it possible to revert it back? Thanks! David Isaac C. M. (talk) 14:45, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Just keep "watching" and react accordingly; not all revisions will be vandalism. Do you understand about your having a watchlist and when to use the "undo" facility? — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 18:47, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I use watchlist to monitor that I edited my pages and yes, I use "Undo" button to undid edits if something is wrong. David Isaac C. M. (talk) 23:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Editing-User: display current warning level?

I know that STiki is able to get the current warning level of a user (in order to know what message level to escalate the next warn-level to) -- is it possible to display that somewhere in the edit properties (next to editing-user?). In an ideal world of course, we would judge each edit on its own merits and not care about past edits, but time and energy are not infinite. Often I'll google a suspicious fact, look at the article's history, etc., simply to decide whether something surprising is a contribution, something to AGF revert, or vandalism. When I finally decide to click "Vandalism" only then do I find out that the user was already on warn-level 2 or 4 and I should've known that I couldn't trust this person to be the first to report the death of Maradona in a car crash or something. Thanks for considering it. I love the tool -- makes vandal fighting fun. Best, -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Community thoughts? I wouldn't be surprised with a little pushback on the fact this is "profiling", but that's already what the algorithms are doing (albeit over empirical training data). A warning level alone also lacks context, particularly in the number of total contributions one has. In the case of IPs it would be interesting to know what percentage of those contributions came recently. Also, just because one hasn't been "caught" doesn't imply innocence. I'm not opposed with putting it on the "features for implementation" list, though. On the technical side, this might require another API call, as the current processing is done the moment a revert button is pressed (not when the edit is loaded into the diff window) in order to make sure there haven't been any intermediate warnings. West.andrew.g (talk) 00:35, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into it, Andrew. As far as profiling, it is, but to me it's similar in extent to putting user permissions (rollback, autoconf, admin) next to a name. I'd also be happy if it required clicking a button to reveal the information, to save an API call and only profile when requested. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Bug (maybe?)

Greetings all. When I started to use STiki today after a hiatus of a few days, I find that it gives me an error message every time I try to perform an AGF revert. The message says that it is not an error originating within Stiki, but I'm wondering about that, because it has happened on all of the AGF reverts I have performed so far. Anybody know what's going on? Vanamonde93 (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it keeps talking about WP:WMF having dropped it (the session). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:59, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
CBNG or our ingestion thereof is also having problems. Investigating. West.andrew.g (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Yep, per [5] CBNG is ingesting edits, but its scoring mechanism is failing to produce scores. I wonder if the issues are related? If anyone is aware of API updates or related technical discussion, please let me know. The STiki metadata-based scoring appears unaffected, and can make that the default queue, but that isn't going to solve the interface issues. West.andrew.g (talk) 01:40, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I've also cross-posted to User_talk:ClueBot_Commons. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 01:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Interesting mailing list post about API changes for login, but it wouldn't seem this has gone into effect yet? West.andrew.g (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I've switched on the STiki metadata queue as default. If anyone catches CBNG back up before I do, ping me. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:15, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

It was working, and dropped again. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I can't log in to WP:Huggle either. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Login functionality has clearly been broken in some respect. The nightly scripts just ran and edited as IPs rather than my username. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:08, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Evidence on WP:VPT and elsewhere points to upcoming changes to authentication processes over API (lovely!). However, even in the bot case, which would seem to come first, those timetables don't seem to be this immediate. We are still able to login with STiki, yes? It's very odd something as specific as the AGF case would break in this context. I'm going to sleep and need to work tomorrow, but if anything relevant comes up at WP:VPT or elsewhere, try to notify me here so I can quickly diagnosis tomorrow whilst typing underneath multiple feet of snow. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:26, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I, at least, am still able to log in. I'm not certain if it's only the AGF function, or whether the vandalism option is also broken; but "innocent" and "pass" are working just fine. I haven't been fed any vandal edits to check, yet. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

There were a number of problems today also at tools.wmflabs.org -- these seem to have been fixed now; they seemed also to have something to do with login API functionality, so perhaps related. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 06:09, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I've been getting the WMF dropped session error even though my Rev. Queue has been Stiki and not CBNG. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:27, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
@Anomie: Over at WP:VPT, they seem to suggest this issue might related to a new SessionManager rollout. The line "but do make sure your code is handling cookies normally instead of using the deprecated return values from action=login to construct cookies manually." would seem to possible implicate STiki. However, so much over the discussion over there is about PHP code that has hooks into the MW software that I am having trouble parsing what these means for our Java implementation. I need to read the API spec again. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
As for the "handling cookies normally", if you're using some HTTP library that does cookies for you then you're fine. If you're using the values in the response from action=login to fake up cookies, you're likely to have issues in the future if not already. If you're seeing dropped sessions, you might also check to make sure that the Set-Cookie headers from one response are reflected in the Cookie header in later requests. Anomie⚔ 16:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
@West.andrew.g: Since you're using Java, I wonder if you happen to have the same code that broke for the Android Wikipedia app in phab:T124384. Anomie⚔ 18:30, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
@Anomie: I home-brewed my own, so we aren't identical, but all the discussion looks pretty similar to what I am fighting now. I'll note one inconsistency i found. If I try to build a cookie from API responses I have a key-value pair of "enwikiToken=9394c454714175d8d8d52279e4cb6b6f;", but what I find in the actual response header is "enwikiToken=deleted". West.andrew.g (talk) 19:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Page protection here?

I've put in a request for semi-protection at WP:RPP. When I went to download the newest version of STiki, I was a bit disturbed that I was downloading a .JAR file through a Wikipedia link from a website that wasn't hosted by Wikimedia. I quickly looked at the history and noted that andrew-g-west.com has always been the location of the file, but it seems to me to make sense that the page (and anything that encourages downloading .exe, .jar, etc. from non-WP sites) should probably be at least semi-protected so that the d/l can't be pointed to a trojan file elsewhere. Thanks! -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Might limit vandalism on WP:STiki too. Given our participation threshold, no non-confirmed editors should really be editing in this space. I'm an admin so I assume I could do the protection myself, but I'd prefer it go through the typical process and have those familiar with those workflows handle it. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:21, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Emergency release issued: 2016-01-22

Per the thread immediately above, some WMF-side changes to cookies and session handling have broken STiki, Huggle, and is perhaps related to CBNG's current downtime. I think I've got a fix and have pushed a new version. This is a forced upgrade and users should receive notifications of that fact if they try to use older STiki versions. With several services being down, this seems like an opportunity to help out and fix a lot of vandalism. That said, this is a rushed fix on my part, and I've released it after breezing through only a couple of test edits. Fingers crossed. I'm offline for the next couple hours, but then I will deal with some of the housecleaning surrounding the new version and fixing the code in some of my reporting services. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

The issue is still ongoing. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 17:13, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm trying the new version as well, with the STiki queue. The vandalism reversion works fine, but the AGF is still broken. Interesting...Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Ugh. Yes. One should be able to revert vandalism but AGF is still having issues. Warnings seem to be going onto user talk pages okay? I thought it could be a rollback token vs. edit token issue, but if warnings are working okay... West.andrew.g (talk) 17:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I possibly spoke too soon; I don't know if the edits are going through at all! I classified some edits as vandalism, and STiki did not crash; but they are not showing up in my contributions, although I've made at least 10 STiki reverts in the last few hours. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Just double checked this, went to a page history after reverting vandalism on it with STiki. The reverts are not actually transferring to Wikipedia, or something...Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:24, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: @FoCuSandLeArN: - It seems we are fundamentally broken (along with many others, including possibly the Android app). I am going to effectively turn off the tool by making the "required version" one in the future that doesn't exist. While I keep my nose in the code, could either of you, or anyone else, put up some appropriate notices here and on the main WP:STiki? West.andrew.g (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
West.andrew.g, do you know if the same problem is going on with WP:Huggle too? Like I noted above, logging in with Huggle isn't working for me. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Very likely. West.andrew.g (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
@FoCuSandLeArN: and @Vanamonde93: and @Flyer22 Reborn: -- I've got a new version up under the same filename as before. I've removed the "mandatory update" condition for the time being so you can test. I've got to be offline for a couple hours. If we're operational, we can remove the notices, if not, let me know and I'll put the restriction back in place. West.andrew.g (talk) 20:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Just tried both the vandalism and AGF revert functions, and both seem to be working! Thanks much, Andrew. I'm going to remove the warning notice for now; if any other issues crop up, it can be replaced soon enough. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
It appears to be working. I'll update you if anyhing comes up. Cheers, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 22:13, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Excellent. I'm not sure I understand the full details of why it works, but I am happy it does. I need to clean up the source, read up on documentation, and do some housekeeping now. All in all a pretty reasonable response to something that broke our core functionality. I now need to understanding the upcoming authentication changes so we can get ahead of that before it breaks us. Thanks for everyone's help, West.andrew.g (talk) 03:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Just another report that the newest version is working great. Thanks -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 18:52, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, seems to be working fine now. Thanks, Andrew, for the prompt action. Dbfirs 00:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Username Change

Didn't really amount a big amount of edits, however I was previously known as User:Dat GuyWiki. Dat GuyTalkContribs 12:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done -- @DatGuy: Remapped 77 classifications. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Why did you revert this? I have restored the IP's editing as the English has been improved [6]. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
@Gareth Griffith-Jones: Since I didn't good-faith revert it with an edit summary, was probably a mis-click that I did not realise I did. Dat GuyTalkContribs 06:36, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Permission to use

I don't think I have found my place here in Wikipedia yet. I want to try fighting vandalism. That is not easy to do without a tool because it is usually found very quickly. This looks like the easiest tool to try. I have read many of the WP guidelines. This therefor, is my request for access to the tool. Hungryce (talk) 00:49, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done -- @Hungryce: Account approved. Not a ton of edits, but a decent bit of maintenance work and steady participation. This is a borderline case where I will assume good faith. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

STiki Request

Hello, I have spent much of my time here fixing dead links and learning the policies. I sort of like just fixing the links since it's easy and it's a well-defined task. I thought that reverting obvious vandalism would also be like this. Any chance I can try out this tool? BourkeM Converse! 03:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

 Not done -- @BourkeM: Thank you for your application. However, you have just 50 article space contributions, nearly half of which are to a single article you created, with the remainder appearing to be in the narrow DSP/telecom topic space. Thank you for your contributions and there is nothing wrong with this -- but it doesn't demonstrate policy knowledge surrounding vandalism. If this really is an area that interests you, please see WP:CVUA. They can quickly train/verify someone in these respects and I consider that program a fast-track to STiki access. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 03:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

STiki request

Hello. I have recently began patrolling new pages and rolling back vandalism on the recent changes page. Is there a possibility that I could be allowed to use this tool to automate some of these tasks a bit. It can get tedious to do it all by hand all of the time. Thanks, Hama Dryad (talk · contribs · email) 00:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done -- @H.dryad: -- Approved. Nearly 1000 total edits with a good ratio of article space work and a clean talk page history makes this case clear for me. Good luck and happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:49, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I appreciate your assistance. Hama Dryad (talk · contribs · email) 13:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Permission to Use

Hello administrators and other Wikipedians,

I am an experienced editor and currently have the pending changes reviewer right on Wikipedia. I currently do my best to fight vandalism, and I have warned over a dozen unconstructive editors this week. However, I think this tool can let me fight vandalism even more efficiently and quickly with this tool. Thank you and happy editing!

Best, William2001(talk) 03:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I observe 645 contributions to articles, and just 24 Twinkle edits. Why not gather a litte bit more experience with Twinkle and all that, before plunging headon into STiki? Your edit history looks fine anyway. Just thinking out loud, yours, Super48paul (talk) 08:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
@Super48paul: Hello and thank you for your reply! I do realize that I have little twinkle edits, but that is because I also fight vandalism in other ways, such as pending changes, new page and random pages patrol. I do not always use twinkle. I ask that you reconsider because although I am a patient person (most of the time :)), I want to improve Wikipedia more efficiently using this tool as soon as possible. Of course, this is just my opinion and you have the final say. I'll be reverting vandalism while I wait for your response. Thank you and happy editing! William2001(talk) 22:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
West.andrew.g (talk · contribs), what would be your standards? How much more anti-vandalism do you want me to do before I get this tool? Thanks and happy editing! William2001(talk) 22:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done -- @William2001: A couple hundred edits and years of constructive participation meet the bar for me. I would have authorized you sooner but I have been offline for approximately the past week. Good luck and happy reverting. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 20:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Crashes

Am I the only one experiencing crashes with the new version lately? It seems to happen with GFR, Pass and Innocent. Cheers, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 13:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Confirming. STiki isn't reverting anything currently. Widr (talk) 18:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
No problems around here! Super48paul (talk) 09:51, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
It's back for me as well, but I am observing weird behaviour ever since the problems we had last week. Buttons are stalling, etc. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 18:42, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I've been offline for the past week. The fact that things magically fix themselves indicate the problem is unlikely to be on STiki's side. Moreover, the symptoms will need to be active for me to do any meaningful troubleshooting. Seems like it has been a few days since someone last posted. Please let me know if the issues continue. I do have a few STiki maintenance tasks on my docket, but I don't imagine they will have any dramatic affect. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that! I am also seeing buttons clicking twice in a row, but I'm also assuming that's on my side. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 20:42, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

It's crashing for me also. No visible problem, the tool remains open, but nothing on it can be clicked at all. Have to exit and restart it. Prhartcom (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

It won't even close for me. Need to restart the computer every time (dunno which process it is from task manager). FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 01:40, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I am going to run through some edits tonight and see what I can find. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Re- Task Manager FoCuSandLeArN, Java (TM) Platform SE binary (32 bit)
— Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  11:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Gareth! FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 13:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Permission request

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I've been an experienced IP editor for years (I didn't see any need for an account until now). I help out regularly in the #wikipedia-en-help IRC channel on freenode. I enjoy reverting vandalism and am a new pages and recent changes patroller. I use Twinkle regularly. I think that STiki will help me revert vandalism even more effectively on Wikipedia. Thanks, and happy editing! Tom29739 [talk] 20:55, 5 February 2016 (UTC).

Hello Tom, Your enthusiasm speaks absolutely in favour of your request. The only thing is that both Twinkle and Huggle edits are very very few. I know about your IP-pre-history, but that doesn't show in the figures (obviously). So I hesitate what is wisdom: whether you should gain access now - or just carry on with the means at your disposal for some more time. Well, as usual, thinking out loud, and leaving the ultimate decision to Andrew....Super48paul (talk) 10:02, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 Done -- @Tom29739: Approved. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:22, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Andrew: you are becoming lenient in granting permission... Bravo. Super48paul (talk) 08:19, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

We just aren't seeing any negative fallout from the borderline cases I am approving. Even the occasional complaint is probably a net gain. Moreover, when I look at the status report every night I am seeing revert rates of 30%+ or even 40%+. This speaks to the fact there is no shortage of vandalism out there and a bigger labor pool can help in this effort. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 17:16, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Login problem

I'm getting "Error in the login interface, likely cause by network error null" (Stiki does load a first diff). Materialscientist (talk) 22:42, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Me too; just tried it a couple of times. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Possibly Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#.22Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_30_days.22_not_working. Investigating. West.andrew.g (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
I am also getting the same error. KagunduWanna Chat? 05:20, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Same here. Tried about 10 times. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 14:03, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Have you tried using the 2.1 release from 2016-01-22? There was a fix for HTTP cookie handling made to support MediaWiki 1.27.0 internal changes. Authenticating with that version seems to work for me (although I don't have rollback perms so the app halts me just after login). --BDavis (WMF) (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done -- I have a fix. Distributing now. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 16:43, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Now distributed via STiki's main page and GitHub. All housecleaning complete. Please verify functionality. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 17:08, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Working well for me. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  17:09, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Working fine for me too; thanks, Andrew. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
I can't recreate the issue using the Offline Review Tool. This seems rare and innocent enough to not be a focus. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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