Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/July 2021 Backlog Drive/Participants/Calliopejen1
- A The Woman-Killer and the Hell of Oil (58 days)
- Pass (marginal pass). It could really use more than two references. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
@Clarityfiend: Per the playwright's WP page, "The Encyclopædia Britannica has written that he is "widely regarded as the greatest Japanese dramatist"." This is equivalent to a work of Shakespeare for Japan, obviously meriting an article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- A Church of Madonna della Greca (1 day)
- Fail I would not have accepted this because I don't know the reliability of viaggiareinpuglia.it and I wouldn't AGF the books (in Italian, no less) cited. This is how hoaxes happen if we don't actually verify what is claimed, and the sourcing is too weak for GNG. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Chris troutman: That website is the official tourism portal for the region of Puglia. Obviously this is not a hoax. Sourcing to books in Italian is completely appropriate. One of the books is an entire book about the church.[1] Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- While non-English sources are allowed, I am an anglophone monoglot so I wouldn't be able to verify what those books say, even if I had them on hand, which I don't. Hoaxes occur when we don't actually check the sources, as we are required to. I have doubts that a tourism website would be known for reliability. Chris Troutman (talk) 08:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Chris troutman: Reviewers are absolutely not required to check print sources while reviewing. And this article has no hallmarks of a hoax that would cause me to do further information of the print sources. (Sometimes I do further diligence, including asking the relevant Wikiprojects, when there is no trace of the topic on Google etc.) The tourism website is produced by the regional government tourism agency, which--even if not as good as an academic book about the church--would be expected to be reasonably reliable for basic information. It confirms that there is a church of this name and age in Locorotondo and that it looks like the photo given. It also confirms that there is a fresco of the Madonna and Child in the interior. I certainly hope that you are not declining perfectly acceptable drafts like these (at a minimum, leave them for another reviewer to handle). Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Calliopejen1: I've already explained that I wouldn't AGF so many sources. As it happens, I don't think you or anyone else should, although I understand some might think WP:V and WP:AFC/RI allow for it. I don't have to decline these sorts of drafts since I can just leave them to folks like you. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Chris troutman: Reviewers are absolutely not required to check print sources while reviewing. And this article has no hallmarks of a hoax that would cause me to do further information of the print sources. (Sometimes I do further diligence, including asking the relevant Wikiprojects, when there is no trace of the topic on Google etc.) The tourism website is produced by the regional government tourism agency, which--even if not as good as an academic book about the church--would be expected to be reasonably reliable for basic information. It confirms that there is a church of this name and age in Locorotondo and that it looks like the photo given. It also confirms that there is a fresco of the Madonna and Child in the interior. I certainly hope that you are not declining perfectly acceptable drafts like these (at a minimum, leave them for another reviewer to handle). Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- While non-English sources are allowed, I am an anglophone monoglot so I wouldn't be able to verify what those books say, even if I had them on hand, which I don't. Hoaxes occur when we don't actually check the sources, as we are required to. I have doubts that a tourism website would be known for reliability. Chris Troutman (talk) 08:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Chris troutman: That website is the official tourism portal for the region of Puglia. Obviously this is not a hoax. Sourcing to books in Italian is completely appropriate. One of the books is an entire book about the church.[1] Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Fail I would not have accepted this because I don't know the reliability of viaggiareinpuglia.it and I wouldn't AGF the books (in Italian, no less) cited. This is how hoaxes happen if we don't actually verify what is claimed, and the sourcing is too weak for GNG. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass this is fine. The Living love talk 15:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass. Looks great to me. Qwerfjkltalk 09:54, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass. Looks notable, I would have accepted it as well. Clearfrienda 💬 17:20, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass yup clearly KylieTastic (talk) 16:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Fail I've coincidentally just come across this in the main space and tagged it for notability and refimprove (all biographical data are unsourced) so I guess I ought also to come here and take issue with this acceptance, in the sense that I would have declined this myself. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
@DoubleGrazing: This one I thought was borderline but required community discussion. He is the inspector general of the Panama Canal, a quite significant position. I'll remove the unsourced info from the infobox. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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probableborderline fail as according to User talk:Myname.irfan was declined 13:36 but then deleted as copy vio 14:20 KylieTastic (talk) 16:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC) - @KylieTastic: Are we obliged to run copyvio checks even when it is an obvious decline for another reason? I declined as unsourced because it was unsourced. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Calliopejen1 I think some believe we are but the copyvio tool is slow and not always working, hence why I did not rate this a fail (but others have failed reviews for missing a copy vio). The only time I think missing a copy vio is an issue is if accepted (but that relies on working tools). In an ideal world we would always catch but that (IMHO) is not realistic with tools that are very slow and not always working. We have a daily limit on https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ so if everyone always did a acheck, especially during a backlog drive, it would have stopped working for when we needed it most. Often I find that the wording (and usual lack of sources) indicated probable copy vios, but I missed one that was caught in re-review - we all have to judge when to run the checks. So in short, not a big issue KylieTastic (talk) 18:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass. Looks good to me. Devonian Wombat (talk) 04:37, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass yup KylieTastic (talk) 16:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass looks good, absolutely right to decline, and not quite yet to reject. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass Maybe also note that the references don't actually call this a 'X lymphocyte'. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass. Good sourcing, well-written. LittlePuppers (talk) 05:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Pass. Clearly promotional. LittlePuppers (talk) 05:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
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