Wikipedia:Welsh Wikipedians' notice board

Welsh Wikipedians Notice Board

Croeso! Welcome! This is a notice board for Welsh Wikipedians, Wikipedians living in Wales, and anyone else interested in Wales-related topics. Use this board to suggest topics or articles in need of expansion; highlight linguistic discussions; propose common projects; ask questions; or post anything else related to Wales, Welsh people or things, or of interest to Welsh editors.

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For a to/do list see Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/to do

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Ydych chi'n siarad Cymraeg?		Do you speak Welsh?
Mae angen eich help ar Wicipedia Cymraeg hefyd.		The Welsh Language Wikipedia needs your help too.
Diolch yn fawr.		Many thanks.

Wikipedia Visiting Scholars

The National Library of Wales is looking to appoint the UK's first Wikipedia Visiting Scholar. We are looking for enthusiastic volunteers to improve content relating to Wales on Wikipedia (in English or Welsh). Successful applicants will be given access to Library collections, online resources and staff expertise. This is a voluntary position. Visiting scholars can work remotely and at their own pace.Jason.nlw (talk) 09:44, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Wales-related stub markers (templates)

Consider tagging very short Wales-related articles, with a designated stub tag. For general Wales stubs, write this {{Wales-stub}} at the bottom of the article. (All such articles are listed in Category:Wales stubs)

• For Welsh geography-related stubs, {{Wales-geo-stub}} (articles listed in Category:Wales geography stubs)
• For Welsh biography stubs, {{Wales-bio-stub}} (Category:Welsh people stubs)
• For Welsh buildings stubs, {{Wales-struct-stub}} (Category:Welsh building and structure stubs)
• For Welsh history-related stubs, {{Wales-hist-stub}} (Category:Welsh history stubs)

Note that for some areas of Wales like Pembrokeshire there are subcategories which should be used instead.

Wales-related WikiProjects

• National Library of Wales Wiki residency
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales
• Wikipedia:WikiProject UK subdivisions (Wales) (carries an "inactive" tag)
• WP:British Isles Terminology task force
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cardiff
• WP:GLAM/MonmouthpediA

Meetups

See [[1]] for discussion and feel free to add ideas to this page. Deb (talk) 16:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

• Welsh Photographers Editathon. National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth. 10 April 2015

New Proposed Wales Project

There is now a new proposed WikiProject to deal explicitly and exclusively with Wales at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Wales. Anyone who would be interested in joining should indicate as much there, to let people know whether there is enough interest in such a project to formally create it. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC) [Copied from Talk:Wales Rhion 17:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)]

Pages listed on Articles for deletion

• Removed contents April 2012 (out of date) - feel free to add more! Deb (talk) 16:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Pages listed on Categories for deletion

• Category:Welsh-speaking writers is nominated for merging with . See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 5.

• Merge Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Welsh constituencies to Category:British MPs - No consensus

• A number of categories of People by language are up for deletion, including "Welsh-speaking people". (NOTE: This is now under review.)
• Category:Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Preseli & South Pembrokeshire to Category:Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Pembrokeshire see discusion

• I wonder how many people, like me, missed the "debate" Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_28#Category:Adult_learners_of_Welsh here Deb 12:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
• See Category talk:Welsh-speaking people, which has been "containerized" thanks to the lack of contributions to the debate from people who actually understand the status of the Welsh language. I would have expected some input from Llywelyn2000, MartinEvans123 and others.Deb (talk) 10:52, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Too late, the discussion has been closed and over 400 of the articles previously in the category have been mysteriously removed. Sionk (talk) 18:31, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, apparently the proposer thinks the ability to speak Welsh is only "significant" if you are a writer. I'm now trying to populate the Politicians and Actors subcategories, but it's obvious we still need an "other". Deb (talk) 17:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Ridiculously high-handed. At least a note should have been left here. Is there no appeal process? Daicaregos (talk) 10:41, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I would suggest it be raised again at CfD, because of the poor participation and the late notification of the WikiProject Wales. CfD discussions generally have far less participation than AfD and discussions can easily get missed. Strangely (but predictably) the Category:Cornish-speaking people is also up for discussion. Sionk (talk) 20:13, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I brought it to the requestor's attention because it seemed inconsistent, and now he's shown his ignorance of the issues by proposing it for "containerization", obviously a futile move. Deb (talk) 13:39, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Seems that "containerization" means deletion, to all intents and purposes. Daicaregos (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

• Unbelievably, this category is now up for deletion again, here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_September_15#Category:Scottish_Gaelic_speaking_people. Don't be fooled by the title, he wants to delete both categories! Deb (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Sadly, this category has now been deleted, even though there was no consensus to do so. I have requested the deleting administrator, User:Fayenatic london, to reconsider this decision. If he will not do so, the next stage would be a deletion review. What do other project members feel about this? Deb (talk) 11:47, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I have expanded the justification for closing, as requested, and changed the stated outcome for this category from "delete" to "merge Category:Welsh-speaking people into Category:Welsh-language occupations". I realised that this decision is liable to be challenged at DRV, but anticipate that it would follow the recent review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 September 20, which endorsed deletion of Category:Welsh-speaking sportspeople. – Fayenatic London 13:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Fayenatic, I doubt that the result would be quite the same. Category:Welsh-speaking sportspeople was proposed for deletion when it had only been in existence a few days, and those involved in its creation and population were not informed in time to participate. The "endorsement" was somewhat flawed, as the people who had known about it and voted for deletion were canvassed by the deleting administrator to repeat their arguments, but several uninvolved people did not agree. In the case of Category:Welsh-speaking people, you would get the same set of people either endorsing or not endorsing the decision, which would make it just as difficult to decide. That's why I don't really want to take it to a review, as it will just end up with the same arguments being repeated. Deb (talk) 14:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I am not seeking to encourage a DRV, but if it happens it should not look at the same arguments, but at whether I "interpreted the consensus incorrectly", etc, see WP:DRVPURPOSE. – Fayenatic London 15:32, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree, it shouldn't, but in the previous case it did. Deb (talk) 15:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Intriguingly the effect was not to delete Category:Welsh-speaking people but, effectively, retain is as a containerised category under a slightly different name. In some sense that is a win-win for both sides, because those of us who believe speaking Welsh/Scottish Gaelic is not equivalent to playing the trombone can continue to categorise people by their national traits. Sionk (talk) 17:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'm coming round to that view. See the discussion at Category talk:Welsh-language occupations. Deb (talk) 09:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Here we go again

• Category:Welsh-speaking politicians has been nominated for deletion. I only noticed this by chance, but it needs to be addressed. Deb (talk) 10:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

And again

• Category:Welsh-speaking academics And once again not notified. Deb (talk) 15:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Pages listed on Categories for renaming

Television program(me)s

A decision's been made (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 6#Television program(me)s) to move all categories called "XXXX television programmes" to "XXXX television shows". I argued strongly against this, since only last year I got Category:Welsh-language television programs moved to Category:Welsh-language television programmes without controversy. As a result of the decision, Category:Welsh-language television programmes will be moved to Category:Welsh-language television shows, and Category:S4C television programmes will be moved to Category:S4C television shows, etc. I don't know what others think about that. What concerns me equally is that there may be an attempt to change article wording as well, e.g. changing "Heddiw was a television news programme" to "Heddiw was a television news show". I think it's important that we all be on the lookout for that. Deb (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Further to the above, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 5. I would like to get the renaming reversed as an individual case. Please give your views. Deb (talk) 07:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles that need attention

• Ogham - references to use in Wales?
• List of rulers of Wales - lists some "High Kings" etc who are only possibly historical figures, with precise dates for their reigns, and no sources. Update: Recent anonymous additions to the article are not accompanied by references. Deb (talk) 13:54, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
• Gruff Rhys - Needs referencing, wikifying.
• Cerys Matthews - Referencing, wikifying.
• Gorky's Zygotic Mynci - general tidy up and expansion.
• Bishop of Saint Asaph, Wales (Catholic) & Bishop of St Asaph - should they be merged?
• Commote - Please see talk page; placenames and page name.
• Chwilog - This needs more and better references but it's hard to find out anything more about the place.
• International Business Wales - written by a contributor who works for IBW and contributes to no other article, it still reads too much like a promotional exercise despite some edits to make it more neutral; recent material added by IBW contributor.
• Talk:Neil McEvoy - It would be useful for others to join this debate and help improve the article.Deb (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
• List of Welsh films - Just came across this. Boy, does this need work! Deb (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Articles where your opinion is sought

• Newton, Swansea - I have commented on this article on the talk page and would appreciate other views before I succumb to temptation and cut loose on it. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 15:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Anglophobia Issues on what material is relevant to an article with this title. eg. are attempts to preserve Welsh Culture examples of fear of the English. --Snowded (talk) 06:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
• Talk:Mary Jones (Bible) - Some people think the disambiguator is unsuitable. Comments, please! Deb (talk) 20:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
• West WalesThere is an rfa in progress at [2] re the map for West Wales . A wider set of opinions would be valued.  Velela  ^{Velela Talk}   17:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
• Template:Politics of Wales What would be the most suitable image to depict Welsh politics on this template, which is shown on all articles on Welsh politics. Comments please. Daicaregos (talk) 13:09, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
• Talk:Swansea - please express your views in the great Swansea Monopoly debate! Deb (talk) 11:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
• St David's - there is a proposed move to St Davids. Discussion to date suggests the more usual and locally preferred spelling is without the apostrophe, but there have not been a lot of people contributing to the discussion. Comments please. --Doric Loon (talk) 13:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
• Talk:Welsh people#Number of Welsh in Wales - I've suggested that the number of Welsh people in Wales in the infobox be changed. I'd welcome any comments. Adda'r Yw (talk) 21:35, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
• Talk:Sophia Crichton-Stuart, Marchioness of Bute - I created this yesterday and someone is already suggesting she is not notable! Deb (talk) 08:13, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
• Talk:Afon Mawddach#Requested move 24 August 2019 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about rivers#RfC about the examples of local names - regarding confusion over whether to use 'River' or 'Afon' in the title of articles about rivers in Wales although this is the English-language Wikipedia. Tk420 (talk) 19:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• Talk:Oswestry/Archive_1#RfC_about_the_use_of_Welsh. Just came across this debate. Deb (talk) 12:40, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
• The Dragon Has Two Tongues - I've just created this. It's about the 1985 series, but I'm wondering if there should be a separate article for the 1968 book, which as far as I know is not related; they just used the same title. Please have a look and see what you think.Deb (talk) 12:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Bog snorkelling We can do with help on this one, the very core of Welsh history, World championship Bog Snorkelling is being eradicated here and something should be done about it.Dickie-bow-tie (talk) 08:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Articles in the NPOV disputes category

• George Sholto Gordon Douglas-Pennant, 2nd Baron Penrhyn
• Plaid Cymru

Wales-related articles that are Featured articles

• John Dee
• Llywelyn the Great
• Rhys ap Gruffydd
• Slate industry in Wales
• Talyllyn Railway
• King Arthur

Wales-related articles that are Good articles

• Aberdaron

Peer Review and possible candidates for featured article status

The Welsh language article was put up for Peer review: suggestions (largely unimplemented) subsequently archived at Wikipedia:Peer review/Welsh language/archive1.

Cardiff Blues (Rugby Union team for the uninitiated) is up for Peer review. Rhion 13:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Authors of Wales Edit-a-thon

Help us celebrate the 15th birthday of Wikipedia by improving content relating to authors of Wales, past and present. You could create new articles for deserving authors, improve existing articles, add citations, translate to Welsh...whatever you like! No experience is required, help will be on hand and research material will be provided. The edit-a-thon will be held at The National Library of Wales on the 15th of January 2016, so please sign up or contact me directly with any questions. Jason.nlw (talk) 10:53, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Web-based resources for Wales

• Wales. World Nation(General information about Wales, its government and its people)
• Famous Welsh People
• BBC Wales
• Castles of Wales website
• National Assembly for Wales
• International Welsh Poetry Competition
• Wales on the Web (Web directory)
• Google Directory: Wales (Web directory)
• BBC Nations (Brief history of Wales)
• Wales Screen Commission (Filming in Wales)
• Wales Tourist Information (Tourist Information)
• Visit Wales (Official Tourist Information from Visit Wales)
• A to Z Welsh writers database
• Digital Mirror (Digitised version of parts of the National Library of Wales collection)
• Gathering the Jewels (Images and digitised books from Welsh museums, libraries and record offices)
• Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru - The National Library of Wales
• www.geograph.co.uk (photos of nearly everywhere taken by everyday folks)
• Francis Frith collection - quality black and white photos taken 1930s to 1960s
• Yn y Ffrâm A sort of IMDB of Welsh Language films (site is in Welsh only)
• Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales (Online database for the National Monuments Record of Wales (NMRW)) (Cymraeg/English)

List of participants

• Rhion 18:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Roman and mediaeval history, language, wildlife, rugby union
• · Katefan0^(scribble)/poll 19:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Just your friendly neighborhood carpetbagger. Interested in medieval history and related structures.
• Normalmouth 20:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • 20th century Wales, industrial south Wales, politics of Wales
• Gareth Wyn 23:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Welsh language, geography, history, culture -- general interest, not specialist... :-)
• Proto t c 14:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Welsh-related articles in general. Don't ask me to translate anything, though. Dwi'n dysgu gymraeg.
• OwenBlacker 19:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
  • General interest, wikignome. Shameful knowledge of y hen iaith, so please don't imagine I could translate anything. ;o)
• Telsa 12:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Interest in all sorts, qualifications in none, but I have library cards and genuinely enjoy finding and checking references :)
• G.O.Carte 22:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Specialist in Welsh castles, also good for general early medieval history
• Mrs Trellis 14:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Local geography especially on the Llŷn and Anglesey.
• Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 21:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Areas I'm likely to be interested in are Welsh politics, North Walean places, the natural environment and language/bilingualism (ond dwi'n siarad cymraeg dipyn bach dim ond).
• Ynysgrif 00:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Interests in North Wales slate and copper industries, the Welsh in North America and in British life. (Siaradwr brodorol y Gymraeg, ond braidd yn wan 'nawr. Can translate simple stuff)
• JamieBattenbo 12:00, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
  • Interests in the South Wales valleys and the Valley Lines Train Network. I don't speak Welsh, my english is bad enougth.
• Mrjohnjenkins 03:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Welsh constitutional history, Welsh politics, popular Welsh culture
• Nigel45 19:04 12 February 2006 (GMT)
  • Interests in History, Geography, Economics, Science, Politics and Merthyr Tydfil
• Hogyn Lleol 09:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Interests in Welsh Language, Wales (esp. Gwynedd & Conwy), plus a surprising amount of other things.
• Velela 12:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Rivers, lakes, mountains, the natural environment, water treatment, sewage disposal, and towns and villages, especially those in Gwynedd and on Anglesey and along the A470 and the A5.
• Snalwibma 19:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Don't know much about ambulances. Do know the Black Mountains - but unfortunately now living 300 miles away.
• The Jade Knight 07:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Cymraeg; early & Medieval History.
• GarethRhys 10:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Interested in History (Byzantine, Celtic, Modern Welsh), Brythonic Languages, Welsh Music (yr SRG), Biochemistry, Swansea Valley articles.(Gymro Gymraeg - bodlon trial cyfieithu erthyglau (gyda tafodiaith Cwmtawe!))
• Abertyllgoed 21:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Interests; all sorts really but especially History, (particularly modern Wales)and Rugby Union.
• Dangherous 19:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I find myself tidying up Category:Wales and its subcategories every now and then. Cardiff University student
• Agathoclea 19:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Mainly dabling in Pembrokeshire articles incl translation into German for de-wiki
• James Frankcom 11:15, 23 May 2006 (GMT)
  • Amateur historian (ten years research) into sub-Roman princely houses in Britain (particularly the Cymry of the Dark Ages). Strong academic interest in pre-Roman late Iron Age life in Britain, cartography, vexilology and world affairs. It is my ambition to find a living heir to the royal house of Aberffraw, hopefully alive and well in Gwynedd!
• Picapica (Jac-y-do) 23:40, 26 May 2006 (WEST)
  • Ymyrrydwr cyson a phedant. Essentially an editor, though I have been known to originate the odd article. Main interests centre on communications: language(s), transport, broadcasting... Often meddle too in articles of a historical-geographical-topographical nature.
• Alun 19:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Somewhat obsessed with [[WP:|verification]]. Bark worse than bite, old anarchist hippy, so don't lay nationalistic stuff on me, 'less I can smoke it. Bald Welsh git living in Finland. Mi lernas Esperanton. Mina open suomea.
• Maelor 21:30, 26 Jun 2006 (UTC)
  • I generally contribute to articles on People, Places and Events in the Wrexham-Llangollen-Oswestry areas and also on the music of Wales, Ireland, Brittany and Cornwall.
• Cheddington2001 Interested particularly in Welsh voluntary sector
• Deb - History, literature, and the year articles
• User:SouthernWelshman - Add mostly to articles about places/organisations in Carmarthenshire, especially in the Llanelli area.
• Marbles333
  • Edits / creation of articles affiliated with Wrexham and its surrounding areas, and occasionally other North Wales locations. Apart from that, I mainly write media and television articles.
• Enaidmawr 00:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC) - Welsh language literature, history and geography, but I have many other interests as well.
• Harry Hayfield Harry Hayfield 05:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC) - Welsh elections and politics since 1885 (to name one off the top of my head}
• Cynnydd - Welsh history in particular medieval (or at least nothing too modern!)--Cynnydd 13:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• BrynLlywelyn History of Wales, 500-1370 or thereabouts, from original records. Princes of Gwynedd. Traditional landscape, especially in Eryri / Snowdonia.
• Bards Geography, ancient civilisations, architecture, maps, cycling, music, lots of other stuff; reorganising and tidying up.
• Gowron Welsh names and Geography, maps, literature relating to Wales, mountaineering, Eryri/Snowdonia, bronze/iron age, roman occupation in Wales, skiing, himalaya.
• Marky-Son Geography of Wales: both physical and human, architecture and structures, politics, nature, transport, sport: especially football, anything about South Wales, particularly Newport and Monmouthshire.
• Tigershrike 19:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC) - wildlife, geography, languages , North-east Wales
• Shropman 23:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC) - photography, history, hill-walking, lived in Shropshire for 20 years. Have many ancestors from both sides of the border from places such as Walton, Powys see requested articles.
• Trident13 09:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC) - many things in South Wales, often transport or name related.
• Rhyswynne 10:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC) - Welsh language, history, websites, music, football
• Augusta2 (talk) 22:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC) - information about Ll^yn, spelling, accuracy, gender issues, Belgium, resident of Belgium regard Ll^yn as my true home.
• ∞☼Geaugagrrl^(T)/_(C) 06:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Independence and history of Wales, especially Ceredigion - my great-great-great grandfather attended, was married and several of his children were baptized at St. Michael (Hafod), Eglwys Newydd, Llanfihangel y Creuddyn. I hope to visit Wales again soon to continue our family history research.
• Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC) - just realised I'm not listed here already, sorry. I've created Welsh placenames, and made various edits mainly (but not exclusively) on local history, and mainly (but not exclusively) to do with Monmouthshire where I live - though I was born in England (well, Cilgwri), many of my forebears came from north Wales.
• Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 13:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC) Most things. From Abergavenny, to things beginning with Z.
• ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ ^talk 11:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC) Mostly (historic) Monmouthshire villages and history, and music & musicians - now sadly exiled so can't watch as much Welsh rugby as I'd like.
• FruitMonkey fairly active on Wikipedia, and tend to concentrate on Welsh rugby (especially 1881-1960), South Wales valleys and their people.I'm an aggresive editor, and tend to delete rather than ask for a cite, but that's due to the low level of Welsh edits.
• Badgernet ^Talk 10:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC) Wildlife, geography, architecture and lots of other stuff, Mid Wales mostly.
• Martinevans123 Newport and the Gwent Levels, W. H. Davies, around Monmouth, Welsh non-conformism, Monmouthshire history, putcher fishing, churches, occasional excursions deeper into Wales, and anything else that catches my wandering and unreliable eye... (spare time Wiki amateur).
• Cúchullain ^t/c 18:27, 7 August 2009 (UTC) Especially medieval literature, history and tradition.
• MadSproute ^t/c 03:55, 29 June 2010
  • Football Association articles relating to Wales, e.g. Bangor City, Wales national football team, Welsh Cup, etc. Also Bangor, Gwynedd.
• Gareth Griffith-Jones 22:31hrs., Tuesday, January 17, 2012
• pigsonthewing - Monoglot English supporter of cy.Wikipedia and Monmouthpedia.