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Template:Wpsearch

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The result of the discussion was keep. Adding additional search engines and/or namespace restriction/detection could be discussed on the talkpage

Template:Wpsearch (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary. Why would we link to Google searches of Wikipedia, and not those of other commercial search engines? I have just removed the only seven instances in article space (on disambiguation pages); the rest of the links to it seem to be largely in the documentation of other search pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep we should be linking to Wikipedia search. Having a template makes it much simpler to use. We can just add additional search engines (ie. DuckDuckGo, Bing, Yahoo, Yandex, Baidu, Excite.co.jp ; etc) or redirect to {{search link}} if we don't want to use external search engines. But I don't see why not, since the internal search engine is broken, and fails on several search terms, giving no results even when pages exist on Wikipedia. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:39, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Why "should" we? How does this satisfy WP:EL? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:31, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; the IP makes a good point. It's a good idea, and it can easily be expanded. If we add enough search engines that it becomes obstructive, we can simply collapse it, as we already do with external-service templates such as {{GeoGroupTemplate}}. Nyttend (talk) 13:23, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep, but add namespace restriction to keep it out of articles. Frietjes (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with added namespace detection as supplementary to the Wikipedia search —PC -XT + 04:44, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Content search link

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 November 27. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:24, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Search wikipedia

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 November 27. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:24, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Public art header with long notes

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Public art header with long notes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Public art header (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Public art header with long notes with Template:Public art header.
These templates need to be merged with |architect=, |dimensions=, |material= and |owner= made optional parameters. Ham (talk) 15:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merging seems sensible —PC -XT + 05:13, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:40, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Public art row with long notes

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Public art row with long notes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Public art row (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Public art row with long notes with Template:Public art row.
These templates need to be merged with |architect=, |dimensions=, |material= and |owner= made optional parameters. Ham (talk) 15:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merging seems sensible —PC -XT + 05:13, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Nino Rota

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The result of the discussion was keep, navigational aide is useful, and convention has it that composers have navboxes Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Nino Rota (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We don't do navbox like this for performers in the movie industry connecting their work. ...William 14:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: We generally do have navboxes for composers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: *Entirely* agree with comment of Andy Mabbett above - Nino Rota seems a notable composer and the Template:Nino Rota seems worthy to keep - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Academy Award winner (The Godfather: Part II) and one of the all-time greats. Suffice it to consult the 83 names [as of this writing] under Category:20th-century composer templates and confirm that virtually all of these familiar names worked in the film industry in one way or another, with some, such as Irving Berlin or Ennio Morricone, working primarily in film. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Sikhi2max

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The result of the discussion was delete and replace with another quote template Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sikhi2max (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to generic quote/ citation templates. Used in only one article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

could probably be replaced and deleted as redundant single-use template —PC -XT + 05:14, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:TOT F.C.

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:06, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TOT F.C. (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN - only four genuinely related blue links. Not currently a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 10:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:The Cross Straits, Hong Kong & Macau Football Competition for the Youth

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Cross Straits, Hong Kong & Macau Football Competition for the Youth (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN only two links includsing parent article. Not a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Rajnavy Rayong F.C.

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:53, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rajnavy Rayong F.C. (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only four links including the parent club article. Not a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 10:22, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:PSAP MVP & Best Goal

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PSAP MVP & Best Goal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No links at all, inherently not an aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 10:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Maltese Youth League Section B 2008-09

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:51, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Maltese Youth League Section B 2008-09 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Blue links link only to senior teams, not the junior teams and there is no WP article for the league this navbox is meant to aid. Fenix down (talk) 09:59, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Maltese Youth League Section B 2008-09

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:50, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Maltese Youth League Section B 2008-09 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Blue links link only to senior teams, not the junior teams and there is no WP article for the league this navbox is meant to aid. Fenix down (talk) 09:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Maltese Youth League Section A 2009-10

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:48, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Maltese Youth League Section A 2009-10 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Blue links link only to senior teams, not the junior teams and there is no WP article for the league this navbox is meant to aid. Fenix down (talk) 09:57, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Maltese Youth League Section A 2008-09

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Maltese Youth League Section A 2008-09 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Blue links link only to senior teams, not the junior teams and there is no WP article for the league this navbox is meant to aid. Fenix down (talk) 09:56, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Aiolikos F.C. seasons

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:59, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Aiolikos F.C. seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only three links including the parent article. Not a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:50, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep as below. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:04, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Articles should be created before the navbox not the other way round. If there is no appetite to create the articles then the navbox is inherently not useful. Can easily be recreated if articles are ever made. Fenix down (talk) 13:29, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Al-Hilal Seasons

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:03, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Al-Hilal Seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only two links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:47, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I gave the wrong reason. Real reason is there is a link to only one season article and a load of red links. WP:NENAN still applies. In no way could this be considered a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep The reason for deletion is nonsense, there are no players. I find this template useful as red links can easily turn blue. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:31, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Articles should be created before the navbox not the other way round. If there is no appetite to create the articles then the navbox is inherently not useful. Can easily be recreated if articles are ever made. Fenix down (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Al.Oruba F.C. seasons

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:07, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Al.Oruba F.C. seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only three links including the parent club article. Not a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep same reason as above. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Articles should be created before the navbox not the other way round. If there is no appetite to create the articles then the navbox is inherently not useful. Can easily be recreated if articles are ever made. Fenix down (talk) 13:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Al.Oruba Football Club

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:45, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Al.Oruba Football Club (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only one link including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Army United F.C.

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The result of the discussion was delete

Template:Army United F.C. (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only four relevant links including the parent club article. Not a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:44, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:15, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Waikato FC squad

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The result of the discussion was delete. No objections to deletion, no quorum

Template:Waikato FC squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only four links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FC Costuleni squad

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The result of the discussion was delete, way out-of-date. If someone wants to recreate it with current information, and keep it up-to-date, go ahead and do so. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:20, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FC Costuleni squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only three links including the parent club article. Not a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep Look at the club article FC Costuleni. 8 players with existing article. You could've saved your time and energy on updating the template. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:28, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If it is not being updated, especially as there is not even a full first eleven to list is it really useful? To me it is counter productive in its current state as the squad is materially different compared to the parent article. I think it is better to delete the current template if no one is going to update but with no prejudice towards recreation if someone is prepared to monitor it. Fenix down (talk) 10:59, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FS Metta/LU squad

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The result of the discussion was delete

Template:FS Metta/LU squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only two links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:19, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FK Liepājas Metalurgs squad

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FK Liepājas Metalurgs squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only four links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:19, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

keep i count five. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
delete - club doesn't exist anymore. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:34, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FC Jūrmala squad

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The result of the discussion was delete, way out-of-date. If someone wants to recreate it with current information, and keep it up-to-date, go ahead and do so. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:20, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FC Jūrmala squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only three links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:19, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep if updated, should have 6 links. Doesn't it sound ridicilous that when there are enough blue links then this template can exist (five or whatever), but when one player leaves then template gets deleted. Then again when player with article arrives to club, template can be created again. And this can continue every year or even more often. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If it is not being updated, especially as there is not even a full first eleven to list is it really useful? To me it is counter productive in its current state as the squad is materially different compared to the parent article. I think it is better to delete the current template if no one is going to update but with no prejudice towards recreation if someone is prepared to monitor it. Fenix down (talk) 10:59, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ilūkstes NSS squad

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:37, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ilūkstes NSS squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only two links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:18, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FB Gulbene squad

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The result of the discussion was delete, way out-of-date. If someone wants to recreate it with current information, and keep it up-to-date, go ahead and do so. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:19, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FB Gulbene squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only four links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:17, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I count five. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:26, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One of those is the parent article though. Additionally, if it is not being updated, especially as there is not even a full first eleven to list is it really useful? To me it is counter productive in its current state as the squad is materially different compared to the parent article. I think it is better to delete the current template if no one is going to update but with no prejudice towards recreation if someone is prepared to monitor it. Fenix down (talk) 11:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FK Jelgava squad

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The result of the discussion was delete, way out-of-date. If someone wants to recreate it with current information, and keep it up-to-date, go ahead and do so. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:19, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FK Jelgava squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only three links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:16, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep 7 links (5 players) according to club article. Just isn't updated. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Deportes Savio squad

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:36, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Deportes Savio squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only two links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FC Mika squad

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The result of the discussion was delete, way out-of-date. If someone wants to recreate it with current information, and keep it up-to-date, go ahead and do so. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:17, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FC Mika squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only four links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:09, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Did you even look the club article? There are articles for seven players. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:17, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

** perhaps update the template?!? Fenix down (talk) 13:23, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If it is not being updated, especially as there is not even a full first eleven to list is it really useful? To me it is counter productive in its current state as the squad is materially different compared to the parent article. I think it is better to delete the current template if no one is going to update but with no prejudice towards recreation if someone is prepared to monitor it. Fenix down (talk) 11:03, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FC Ararat Yerevan squad

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The result of the discussion was delete, way out-of-date. If someone wants to recreate it with current information, and keep it up-to-date, go ahead and do so. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:15, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FC Ararat Yerevan squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only three links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 09:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete Frietjes (talk) 14:43, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep according to club article there should be 8 links (6 players). Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If it is not being updated, especially as there is not even a full first eleven to list is it really useful? To me it is counter productive in its current state as the squad is materially different compared to the parent article. I think it is better to delete the current template if no one is going to update but with no prejudice towards recreation if someone is prepared to monitor it. Fenix down (talk) 11:03, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:JK Narva Trans squad

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:JK Narva Trans squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per WP:NENAN, only four links including the parent club article. As a team not playing in a fully professional league it is unlikely that sufficient players that would at the very least fulfil WP:NFOOTY let alone WP:GNG could be created for this to be a useful aid to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 08:46, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete, and unreadable colouring. Frietjes (talk) 14:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think four links (currently) is enough. The fact that club doesn't play in a fully professional league is not an arguement, some players do have notability (previously played in a fully professional league or national team). There are also more nav boxes for the same league (Category:Meistriliiga football club squad templates). Colouring can be changed. Pelmeen10 (talk) 02:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One of those links is the parent club though so doesn't really count. There's only really three links to players or staff. Still unclear how this is really useful it just clogs up the article. Fenix down (talk) 13:26, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, looks like there aren't much people updating it anyway. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Finn Swift songs

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Templates for a set of hoax articles. Jac16888 ^Talk 21:47, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Finn Swift songs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Finn Swift (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finn Swift. This is a cluster of articles that appear to contain very little fact and much fiction. Pichpich (talk) 03:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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