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Template:Adobe Flash Sidebar

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Anthony Appleyard (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 16:10, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Adobe Flash Sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template is redundant to Template:Adobe Flash which existed when the author created this one. The nominee only causes linkbombing and WP:REPEATLINK being broken. The number of links on this template is less, i.e. only Adobe software are listed, but that exactly the problem: It results in POV treatment of Adobe. Fleet Command (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as redundant. Also, we should favour footer navboxes over this, sidebar, style, as logic dictates that most people will want to use them after, not before, reading the article on which they sit. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the sidebar since it highlights the most important tools and formats on the Flash Platform, while the footer introduces hundreds of minor and insignificant applications and formats that obscure the important ones. There are other examples of duplicate navboxes. See Template:Barack_Obama and Template:Barack Obama sidebar, where the entire list of related articles are listed in the footer navbox, and the most prominent or important articles listed in the sidebar. I have added the only 2 other major tools into the sidebar (FD & FDT). -- Wonderfl (reply) 19:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hello, author of the template. You said: "it highlights the most important tools and formats on the Flash Platform". Are you sure? Because seems to me besides Adobe products, it only lists article that you yourself wrote. In addition, per WP:N only most important tools and formats can have Wikipedia articles, so everything that you didn't list there is equally important. Also you said "There are other examples of duplicate navboxes" which is the same as other stuff exists; the answer is: If other stuff shouldn't exists, delete other stuff too. Fleet Command (talk) 19:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • If some of the items in the navbox are more sigificant than others, they can be highlighted by emboldening, or placed in the first line. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:04, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete. I concede. The argument could go on and on, and I see its no use having a duplicate navbox. Does someone have a script to remove it from all the pages? Wonderfl (reply) 08:59, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Confused. As the author, I really don't know whether to delete or keep it, and I really don't care. I designed it as a means of improving navigation within "popular" or "famous" tools, ie. to give readers a quick overview of the Flash platform and the biggest and most important tools within it. But at this point editors have mentioned that a) it seems biased towards Adobe (I actually designed it with only Adobe tools, FD & FDT were added later) and b) it presents a partial overview of all Flash-related tools and technologies compared to the bottom navbox. While these are true, the usefulness of a reduced sidebar can be debated and I'm not in the best position to do so. As a result I'm completely confused, and would like more experienced editors to pitch in their votes as well. Wonderfl (reply) 08:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, I am not. (Sorry if it is a bit blunt.) You see, in Wikipedia we do not employ our own judgment to say "these tools are most influential". We defer it to notability concept. The rule is: Either it is notable or not. If it is, bring it into navbox. If not, nominate for deletion. (Of course, there is a time and place limit for every human, so there are only so many articles we can nominate at a given time.) Fleet Command (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete but merge key parameters if there is a need to transclude some things in one box but not the other. . Montanabw(talk) 20:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox Indian state government

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Indian state government (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox legislature (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox Indian state government with Template:Infobox legislature.
Largely redundant; the Indian box (which has just 49 transclusions) has a judiciary section. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:55, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox astro object

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Re-listed at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 February 21#Template:Infobox astro object. Alakzi (talk) 20:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox crater data

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 16:53, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox crater data (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox feature on celestial object (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox crater data with Template:Infobox feature on celestial object.
Largely similar; craters are a subset of features. Keep as a redirect for craters on Earth, if used for any. Note that the "feature" template is already used on several crater articles, such as Aladdin (crater). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox lunar mare

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The result of the discussion was merge. --BDD (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox lunar mare (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox Lunar crater}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:27, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Solar eclipse2

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Though everybody appears to appreciate that templates are no place for content, there is no consensus to take any particular action at this time. Placing this information in articles' source is thought by some to curtail a significant maintenance burden; and placing it in a Lua submodule is thought to be more—or equally—inaccessible. A renomination once Wikidata expressions have been made available is likely to garner a positive outcome. (nac) Alakzi (talk) 17:12, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Solar eclipse2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox Solar eclipse (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox Solar eclipse2 with Template:Infobox Solar eclipse.
#2 is a wrapper for the original, for no obvious purpose. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It is used in conjunction with template databases, like {{Solareclipse200_db|Infobox Solar eclipse2|2006Mar29}} Tom Ruen (talk) 22:22, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's {{Solareclipse200_db}}; what an impenetrable (and undocumented) mess; a barrier to editing for all but a few editors. That data should be in infobox templates in the respective articles (and eventually in Wikidata). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:30, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Solareclipse200_db and others were exported from a spreadsheet, and reduces the chance for errors, and allows data to be presented in different ways. It was first setup by another user, and I just copied what he did. I don't know what wikidata is, but if its easier, I'd support a conversion eventually. Tom Ruen (talk) 00:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
After your twisting replies in the subthread above, don't expect me to reply serious. Already you have started the buildup for a snotty snub here, didn't you? -DePiep (talk) 19:34, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
DePiep, your personalizing of this issue is not appropriate. Please confine your comments to the technical aspects of this request. Montanabw(talk) 20:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and combine parameters: Use technical skills to make sure no links get fouled up. Us a bot so it's seamless, seems this is an artifact of an older, clunkier syntax and needs to be streamlined and modernized. Montanabw(talk) 20:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose; Keep. Too destructive of current set-up. Prior items re astro objects seem absolutely stupid to me. Having gone through the entire listings for 12/21, I openly question whether you have any knowledge of basic astronomy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thor Dockweiler (talk • contribs) 07:11, 29 December 2014‎
  • Keep for now or merge as autofill — This should eventually be in wikidata, but could be kept or luafied until then. I'd prefer it have documentation, though. —PC-XT+ 08:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm adding support for autofilling parameters. If this is done, we can later change the template, (or module, preferably,) to use wikidata instead of this database. I would rather not fill in all the templates, then remove the data again when converting to wikidata. It seems a waste of time, (though I know it would not really be that much.) If it would be better to keep the templates separate, and not use autofill, then my !vote is a straight keep. —PC-XT+ 00:01, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm not sure the nom understands what he/she is proposing. It would break the template and the hundreds of articles that use it.  — TimL • talk 23:48, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox Tornado year (EF scale)

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The result of the discussion was merge Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Tornado year (EF scale) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox Tornado Year (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox Tornado year (EF scale) with Template:Infobox Tornado Year.
Very similar templates. "EF scale" refers to Enhanced Fujita scale, which can be accommodated in a combined tempalte by a choice of parameters, or a switch. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:54, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Hmm... I will consider undertaking such a merge if I find the time. Dustin (talk) 16:31, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox air density

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The result of the discussion was no consensus--Ymblanter (talk) 11:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox air density (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Hard-coded instance of {{Infobox property}}, of which it is the only use. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Subst and delete. Has only three transclusion (2 are sandboxes); accepts no parameters. Fleet Command (talk) 18:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Before disposing consider evaluate the contents and compare with other similar infobox. Scientific texts should have a chance to improve their information and presentation: properties, its units, equations and use are important for understanding its context in scientific texts. Maybe expand the use is a better destiny than discard. After all I see still a long way to transform the informative texts of school in encyclopedic articles containing knowledge. As the editor I will abstain from voting, but I believe quality was more important than quantity. As for the parameterization I would be pleased if someone would help me and improve the code. RookTorre (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • New Comment. As there was no answer: When made this template I used as a reference this architecture and hierarchy:
Template:Infobox element >> Template:Infobox oxygen >> Oxygen

Template:Infobox property >> Template:Infobox air density >> Density of air

Is not the first time that the rules are applied in unbalanced way. We should delete all templates for specific chemical elements? (It is an obvious ironic way, just to emphasize my amazement). Me looks exactly the same case. (As I would expect from a copy) RookTorre (talk) 13:58, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The template creator has nothing to say about ... , You too have nothing to say about ... Sure. -DePiep (talk) 19:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin. This behaviour by the nom is inexcusable. Note that they also chased away an editor who came here to improve wikipedia, and got the response 'There are no "rules" to apply', which is simply unacceptable put-down behaviour in a discussion. When disrupting and derailing the discussion, each and any argument by the nom becomes idle. I propose & expect this one be closed as "no consensus due to disruptive discussion by nom". I have no confidence that from here any serious argument added here would receive due weight. -DePiep (talk) 19:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Gidi Up

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The result of the discussion was delete for having insufficient links to be a useful navigational aide Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gidi Up (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per NENAN. Only two links are active. Stanleytux (talk) 14:41, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: The template has four active links on the main subject, episodes, and the seasons. These are not pages the the average reader will easily be able to look up without a nav box, NENAN obviously doesn't apply here. Besides, more articles on this subject (series) will definitely be created - then the need for a navbox.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 14:55, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: @Stanleytux: If you exclude the main article, there are three active links. The Episodes article and the two seasons articles. NENAN recommends that five articles (excluding the primary article) need to be present in order for a navbox to be present. If you want to be techinical like that, the navbox can be deleted. However, it doesn't make sense to do so because the navbox will be recreated once two more articles spring up. Versace1608 (Talk) 15:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Such a small number of links can easily be incorporated into article prose. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I generally hate nominations that say "Per WP:NENAN" unless they say which part of NENAN. But this one makes sense: The navbox bears four links, all of which are either in the compulsory infoboxes of the linked articles or can be. So this template makes no sense. Fleet Command (talk) 18:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete seems that we are still in a short list, the other episodes can be a see also list. Montanabw(talk) 20:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:SPACEUSER

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The result of the discussion was delete as no longer needed Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SPACEUSER (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Now exist the {{ROOTPAGENAME}} variable. Metrónomo's truth of the day: "That was also done by the president" not an excuse. 02:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong opposal Not sure of the technical side to this, but I would like the infobox template of the UK house of commons to stay the same, it looks much neater as it is now and changing it would be just pointless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.77.86 (talk) 20:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This template was created in the Wikipedia in Spanish only because there was a variable to do the same to {{#titleparts:{{PAGENAME}}|1}}, now exist {{ROOTPAGENAME}}. In Wikipedia in Spanish was completely unlinked, this template is obsolete. --Metrónomo's truth of the day: "That was also done by the president" not an excuse. 20:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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